Ok, and I said over26 pages and pages ago... You can't change the criteria after the fact to make your case look better. - burn
Typically, when media and fans are discussing player history and statistics, they set a bench mark, lets say in this case we are talking goal scoring and we'll set the number at 30. A player that scores 30 is included in the list, a player that scores 29 is not. So to set your number at 26, which was ridiculous to begin with, and then really mean 27 is silly, but you are correct, you did in fact state greater than 26.
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Aug 11 @ 3:15 PM ET
Typically, when media and fans are discussing player history and statistics, they set a bench mark, lets say in this case we are talking goal scoring and we'll set the number at 30. A player that scores 30 is included in the list, a player that scores 29 is not. So to set your number at 26, which was ridiculous to begin with, and then really mean 27 is silly, but you are correct,you did in fact state greater than 26. - 1970vintage
Who's score more consistently? who's g/game is higher? But the other one is better offensively. St. Louis will have to add. - burn
WHOH, wait a minute there champ. I have nowhere, in any way, to any degree, ever argued that Kelser is a better offensive player than Backes, I have only refuted your statements that I thought were incorrect. I, in fact proposed a Kelser+ for Backes+ trade back before the TDL that got fans all over my back for wanting to trade Kelser. Now, if you want to talk about consistency, it is a FACT that Kesler has been more consistent over his career than Backes. With the exception of this year where he fought injury Kesler has shown steady improvement and I would bet 70ish points is about his plateau unless he starts playing with an Adam Oats quality passer. David Backes has jumped around, 13 to 31 down to 17 back up to 31 down to 24. Backes also hasn't shown that he can put up 70 points yet, but if given the right line mates I think it's not a stretch to think he will get there.
For the record, my trade proposal was Kesler+Tanev+2nd round pick for Backes+Ponich+3rd round pick.
ON the canucks I would rather have Kessel to be honest. I dont think the canucks need a strong shut down center thats why we have a great d and an all star goalie. what the nucks need is Kessel to score 40 goals. If he was with the Sedins he would put 50 in net. He is a STUD offensively. He scores 35 goals with Tyler Bozak and no other offensive talent around him. Give him a decent player to play with who knows what he could do.
Bure couldnt back check either and he is in the Hall of fame. Kessel at the age of 24 has close to 160 goals I think. Kesler at 24 wasnt even close to that.
I think Kesler is a better all around player but for the canucks Kessel would be a better a fit.
People talk about the +/- stat as the be all and end all but Kessel was a +23 when he was with Boston. It has everything to do with defense and Goalies. If you put kessel on the canucks he would be a +10 to +20 player easily. You dont need to back check when you have schnieds stopping everything.
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Aug 11 @ 3:28 PM ET
WHOH, wait a minute there champ. I have nowhere, in any way, to any degree, ever argued that Kelser is a better offensive player than Backes, I have only refuted your statements that I thought were incorrect. I, in fact proposed a Kelser+ for Backes+ trade back before the TDL that got fans all over my back for wanting to trade Kelser. Now, if you want to talk about consistency, it is a FACT that Kesler has been more consistent over his career than Backes. With the exception of this year where he fought injury Kesler has shown steady improvement and I would bet 70ish points is about his plateau unless he starts playing with an Adam Oats quality passer. David Backes has jumped around, 13 to 31 down to 17 back up to 31 down to 24. Backes also hasn't shown that he can put up 70 points yet, but if given the right line mates I think it's not a stretch to think he will get there.
For the record, my trade proposal was Kesler+Tanev+2nd round pick for Backes+Ponich+3rd round pick. - 1970vintage
Then why is BAckes's pts &g/game >better.. Oh and Backes plays less minutes. BAcks is more constant. The facts prove it.
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Aug 11 @ 3:28 PM ET
Typically, when media and fans are discussing player history and statistics, they set a bench mark, lets say in this case we are talking goal scoring and we'll set the number at 30. A player that scores 30 is included in the list, a player that scores 29 is not. So to set your number at 26, which was ridiculous to begin with, and then really mean 27 is silly, but you are correct, you did in fact state greater than 26. - 1970vintage
Factor in the number of pp goals, 3rd period run away goals (Pitts does this... think of all the 8 to 1 games... does scoring 6,7,8 in the third against a beatenb team with a back-up goalie really make player 'A" better than someone who scored the gamE winning goal?) and empty netters.
Who decided the metric system of 10/20/30/40 were the benchmarks anyways? Damned Canadians
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Aug 11 @ 3:29 PM ET
ON the canucks I would rather have Kessel to be honest. I dont think the canucks need a strong shut down center thats why we have a great d and an all star goalie. what the nucks need is Kessel to score 40 goals. If he was with the Sedins he would put 50 in net. He is a STUD offensively. He scores 35 goals with Tyler Bozak and no other offensive talent around him. Give him a decent player to play with who knows what he could do.
Bure couldnt back check either and he is in the Hall of fame. Kessel at the age of 24 has close to 160 goals I think. Kesler at 24 wasnt even close to that.
I think Kesler is a better all around player but for the canucks Kessel would be a better a fit. - Bluechip23
