what about Backes's #?? they don't count?? they don't compare??

I'd take Backes over Kesler.
- burn

That's not surprising. Doesn't mean Backes is better—just means you'd be a bad pro scout/coach/GM.

No Stop the insanity.
- burn

Yes he really would. TO has one good Dman Gardiner.

Phanueff over rated over priced. .

Liles is about the same as Ballard
Gunner , not as good yet .
Komi


This is why you never make the playoffs .Always over valuing a bad team

I am not Jealous . I think the Oliers have drafted their Kane and Toews in Eberle and Hall . They haven't drafted their Byfuglien and Ladd for the bottom part ,but instead have drafted more first liners. .They only have two real good Dmen and suspect Gtending,I think they are still far away. Mind you, you do have 3xfirst lines . If the NHL ever goes back to the no holding no clutching you will do fine.
- VANTEL

You don't have to draft those guys in the first round...I think the Oil have their ;Kane, Towes, Sharp and Hossa in Hall, Nuge, Ebs and Yak (yeah jumping to gun, and not really comparing Yak to Hossa, just saying a talented player that will make an impact on the team)...just remember that the Oil are more comparable to the Hawks of 2 years minimum before the SCF...they have their Dmen up and coming and Dubey will be more than just serviceable...They are not competing for a cup, not really in contention for a playoff spot yet...not worried there are some holes still on the team.

The rebuild is not just about a quick run at a cup, but a complete overhaul of the Oilers system. They now have their own AHL team and are stocking it with solid coaches and players to create a proper atmosphere to develop and keep them in the upper echelon of the league for years...a'la Det.

- burn

If you disagree, make your case. 5 laughing emoticons isn't very compelling.

And I disagree with you. I think Kesler is better than Backes and I wouldn't trade 1-for-1. Backes is 28 with a career high 64 points. Kesler is the better offensive player and better defensively. Not much more to it.

NOT A CHANCE!

If its such a bargain then keep him.
- Iggysbff

He's not a bargain here . We have 4 better D and the price is to high for a number 5 .

You don't have 4 good D so it is a different situation.

If you disagree, make your case. 5 laughing emoticons isn't very compelling.

And I disagree with you. I think Kesler is better than Backes and I wouldn't trade 1-for-1. Backes is 28 with a career high 64 points. Kesler is the better offensive player and better defensively. Not much more to it.
- micah555

Only question mark with Kesler is his health. Other than that, it's no contest.

That's not surprising. Doesn't mean Backes is better—just means you'd be a bad pro scout/coach/GM.
- Fosco

Care to explain?

One is a captain, the other is supposed to be a captain. One has a better goals per game and same pts per game. One is more physical and not injury prone. Both 28.

Who'd You rather have..... And try not being an utter homer.


St louis has to add! That's rich.

You don't have to draft those guys in the first round...I think the Oil have their ;Kane, Towes, Sharp and Hossa in Hall, Nuge, Ebs and Yak (yeah jumping to gun, and not really comparing Yak to Hossa, just saying a talented player that will make an impact on the team)...just remember that the Oil are more comparable to the Hawks of 2 years minimum before the SCF...they have their Dmen up and coming and Dubey will be more than just serviceable...They are not competing for a cup, not really in contention for a playoff spot yet...not worried there are some holes still on the team.

The rebuild is not just about a quick run at a cup, but a complete overhaul of the Oilers system. They now have their own AHL team and are stocking it with solid coaches and players to create a proper atmosphere to develop and keep them in the upper echelon of the league for years...a'la Det.
- OilHorse

Very much so but that's ok. We will see this year . We can debate all we want but the measuring stick will be how close they come to being a playoff team. The West will be weaker so making the playoffs should be easy.

I think when Canucks have finished with the trades and aquisitions we are going to be a beast.

He's not a bargain here . We have 4 better D and the price is to high for a number 5 .

You don't have 4 good D so it is a different situation.
- VANTEL

No we dont have 4 good D we have 7 good D!

Yes he really would. TO has one good Dman Gardiner.

Phanueff over rated over priced. .

Liles is about the same as Ballard
Gunner , not as good yet .
Komi


This is why you never make the playoffs .Always over valuing a bad team
- VANTEL

Dion is miles ahead of Ballard. Liles is the same? Really?

I wouldn't put him ahead of those that you listed for a second. I'd have franson in front too. He 6 easily.

Care to explain?

One is a captain, the other is supposed to be a captain. One has a better goals per game and same pts per game. One is more physical and not injury prone. Both 28.

Who'd You rather have..... And try not being an utter homer.


St louis has to add! That's rich.
- burn

I didn't look but what is the TOI stat. One plays on the second line and one is a first line. Also when Kes came into the league he was a defesive specialist. He graduated to the top 6 only in the last 3 years.

Dion is miles ahead of Ballard. Liles is the same? Really?

I wouldn't put him ahead of those that you listed for a second. I'd have franson in front too. He 6 easily.
- burn

Dion is very over rated and expensive. He is no more a leader than Kessel is. I understand your loyalty ,but sometimes you have to look at stats for the truth . You first line and your top D are not getting the job done.

If you disagree, make your case. 5 laughing emoticons isn't very compelling.

And I disagree with you. I think Kesler is better than Backes and I wouldn't trade 1-for-1. Backes is 28 with a career high 64 points. Kesler is the better offensive player and better defensively. Not much more to it.
- micah555

I already did.... Kesler is better offensively? How? Career goals per game backes>>>>kesler, and pts per game the same. How's he better?

No we dont have 4 good D we have 7 good D!
- Iggysbff

If you have 7 Dmen better than Ballard we can expect you in the top 5 this year

Only question mark with Kesler is his health. Other than that, it's no contest.
- Fosco

If you have 7 Dmen better than Ballard we can expect you in the top 5 this year
- VANTEL

YEP!

If you disagree, make your case. 5 laughing emoticons isn't very compelling.

And I disagree with you. I think Kesler is better than Backes and I wouldn't trade 1-for-1. Backes is 28 with a career high 64 points. Kesler is the better offensive player and better defensively. Not much more to it.
- micah555

Sorry dude but they are equal in ppg% (Backes is actually about 1% higher), so while Kesler may have had higher years he has had lower ones also Backes is much better a goal scorer,again, Kes may have had 1 year that was better than a Backes year but Backes has had more years in the 30+ category. Backes is not a slouch when talking defensive play either. AND he is a more physical player.

Dion is very over rated and expensive. He is no more a leader than Kessel is. I understand your loyalty ,but sometimes you have to look at stats for the truth . You first line and your top D are not getting the job done.
- VANTEL

Huh?

I already did.... Kesler is better offensively? How? Career goals per game backes>>>>kesler, and pts per game the same. How's he better?

- burn

When has Backes scored 40 goals . His stats are similar to Kes and Kes was injured.

Huh?
- burn

Top D and top lines that are very good lead their team to the playoffs.

Sorry dude but they are equal in ppg% (Backes is actually about 1% higher), so while Kesler may have had higher years he has had lower ones also Backes is much better a goal scorer,again, Kes may have had 1 year that was better than a Backes year but Backes has had more years in the 30+ category. Backes is not a slouch when talking defensive play either. AND he is a more physical player.
- OilHorse

100% accurate.

I didn't look but what is the TOI stat. One plays on the second line and one is a first line. Also when Kes came into the league he was a defesive specialist. He graduated to the top 6 only in the last 3 years.
- VANTEL

I looked earlier...Backes plays 19ish while Kes plays 20ish

Care to explain?

One is a captain, the other is supposed to be a captain. One has a better goals per game and same pts per game. One is more physical and not injury prone. Both 28.

Who'd You rather have..... And try not being an utter homer.


St louis has to add! That's rich.
- burn

I'd take the Selke winner, who is better offensively, defensively, and is still a very physical player, albeit less so than Backes.

Kesler's numbers and accolades speak for themselves—he is a better player than Backes. He's not better by much, but he is better, and usually a team would have to add something else in a deal to get a better player than they are giving up.

I didn't say STL would have to add Terasenko, or anything of huge value, but they would have to add something.

Kesler's injury status is a question mark. Obviously they wouldn't get full value for him right now, but comparing the two players, Kesler is better.

The year Daniel won the Ross/Pearson awards, some analysts (Mackenzie and Ferraro, just off the top of my head) said Kesler deserved the MVP—he can take over a game when he's healthy.

Sorry dude but they are equal in ppg% (Backes is actually about 1% higher), so while Kesler may have had higher years he has had lower ones also Backes is much better a goal scorer,again, Kes may have had 1 year that was better than a Backes year but Backes has had more years in the 30+ category. Backes is not a slouch when talking defensive play either. AND he is a more physical player.
- OilHorse

Kesler started out on the 4th line, and then was in a checking role for several years, so he took a while to breakout offensively. He's still a better offensive player.

When has Backes scored 40 goals . His stats are similar to Kes and Kes was injured.
- VANTEL

Kes == 1 30+ goal season...generally gets 20ish.

Backes 2 30+ seasons...generally gets 20ish.

BAckes less games played almost as many goals...I gave the goal per game % and it was not even close...Kes ~ 17% and Backes ~ 28%