yer killin me u can't be saying Howard is done are you? I can't give up on him. I got mad at chase this year but I'm still holding hope these two can be part of another pennant run.
- JoeRussomanno

only difference is that chase is actually still really productive in every facet of the game when on the field. howard's only value has always been his power, which has been declining precipitously since 2009.

Please get my title correct. Thank you.

-Delco Dilettante
- BulliesPhan87

only difference is that chase is actually still really productive in every facet of the game when on the field. howard's only value has always been his power, which has been declining precipitously since 2009.
- OrangeBlack27

Actually, if you go back to his MVP season, his numbers have been in steady decline since then. Pretty sad actually.

What's the asking price on Yandle?

only difference is that chase is actually still really productive in every facet of the game when on the field. howard's only value has always been his power, which has been declining precipitously since 2009.
- OrangeBlack27

you have a point there. he's not quite at the age he should be physically losing power tho. It's a shame we never got a full season of him with pence in the lineup.

Actually, if you go back to his MVP season, his numbers have been in steady decline since then. Pretty sad actually.
- jak521

well, yeah. he was never going to continue at that pace. he was still a beast in 07 and 09, but yeah.

Actually, if you go back to his MVP season, his numbers have been in steady decline since then. Pretty sad actually.
- jak521

think maybe he's not getting pushed hard enough? Cholly is a rather player friendly manager.

What's the asking price on Yandle?
- Flyers_01

B Schenn + Couts

or Giroux

What is the deal with CC? Anyone know his game well? I just know he is injury prone, but hes been paired with Pietrangelo, top 4 minutes before hasn't he?

Irregardless with who they pickup (expect for possible trade), someone will slide into the top 4 that many of us won't be comfortable with.

B Schenn + Couts

or Giroux
- Marc D

you have a point there. he's not quite at the age he should be physically losing power tho. It's a shame we never got a full season of him with pence in the lineup.
- JoeRussomanno

would have made no difference. think teams would throw howard strikes so they didn't have to face pence with men on base? pitchers don't fear slappy mcjackasses that swing at everything.

think maybe he's not getting pushed hard enough? Cholly is a rather player friendly manager.
- JoeRussomanno

pitch recognition.

What is the deal with CC? Anyone know his game well? I just know he is injury prone, but hes been paired with Pietrangelo, top 4 minutes before hasn't he?

Irregardless with who they pickup (expect for possible trade), someone will slide into the top 4 that many of us won't be comfortable with.
- Just5

it's been discussed ad nauseam on this board but I'll throw ya a courtesy and summarize: too injury prone.

pitch recognition.
- OrangeBlack27

Yes, I seem to remember getting frustrated with him watching pitches going right down the middle for strikes, in big games too. Guy has the talent think perhaps its time for some self re-tooling.

pitch recognition.
- OrangeBlack27

That and his sheer inability to hit left handers or hit opposite field.

would have made no difference. think teams would throw howard strikes so they didn't have to face pence with men on base? pitchers don't fear slappy mcjackasses that swing at everything.
- OrangeBlack27

I hate it when you make sense about players I like in a negative fashion however I'm not yielding on our Brind'amour debate

What is the deal with CC? Anyone know his game well? I just know he is injury prone, but hes been paired with Pietrangelo, top 4 minutes before hasn't he?

Irregardless with who they pickup (expect for possible trade), someone will slide into the top 4 that many of us won't be comfortable with.
- Just5

You're lucky Bo isnt here right now.

Yes, I seem to remember getting frustrated with him watching pitches going right down the middle for strikes, in big games too. Guy has the talent think perhaps its time for some self re-tooling.
- JoeRussomanno

think the problem is more based around his complete unfamiliarity with breaking balls. it's over, dude. you don't remake your career at 32 or 33. hope i'm wrong.

think the problem is more based around his complete unfamiliarity with breaking balls. it's over, dude. you don't remake your career at 32 or 33. hope i'm wrong.
- OrangeBlack27

admittedly I'm being highly optimistic.

What is the deal with CC? Anyone know his game well? I just know he is injury prone, but hes been paired with Pietrangelo, top 4 minutes before hasn't he?

Irregardless with who they pickup (expect for possible trade), someone will slide into the top 4 that many of us won't be comfortable with.
- Just5

I have a spacek feeling... its weird.

So it's August 7, and Meszaros is most likely out for the season. Simply stellar.

So it's August 7, and Meszaros is most likely out for the season. Simply stellar.
- PLindbergh31

any thoughts on how to address this little dilemma?

I hate it when you make sense about players I like in a negative fashion however I'm not yielding on our Brind'amour debate
- JoeRussomanno

Love Brindy and based on some of the other guys in the hall, you could make a case that he should be in, but thinking from the (likely dumb) voters' perspective, he wasn't a point/game player, only won two selkes (which were late in his career and not in his prime), and is a career minus-player.

So it's August 7, and Meszaros is most likely out for the season. Simply stellar.
- PLindbergh31

I think you are on to something, the team seems cursed with the injury bug.

Love Brindy and based on some of the other guys in the hall, you could make a case that he should be in, but thinking from the (likely dumb) voters' perspective, he wasn't a point/game player, only won two selkes (which were late in his career and not in his prime), and is a career minus-player.
- OrangeBlack27

I also love it when you don't make sense, all except for the stupid voters, ex. Shero not in hall, otherwise good stuff tho

edit: despite being a negative player in the reg season he was a pos in the post season. Which makes sense when you factor in that he was on some bad teams for a lot of years, while conversely he was on good teams for the post-season.