(x30) your on HB to discuss facts?
- Philly1980

This is new?

Hell i guess i'd take O&B glasses over being blind.

The guy came in here with his Karma BS... Its not bashing... they took a contract on that could cripple them, and if it does, may end up costing the city a team.
- jak521

i'm not sure i'd agree with the latter part...they were prepared to re-sign both suter and weber from everything i've read...

and, again...how billionaires spend their money is their own business...

karma is real

*shrugs*

happens all the time

"I honestly don't know why anyone get's involved in discussing the specifics of a team's finances. None of us have the factual information to do so accurately."

If you dont want to get involved then dont get (frank)ing involved. Simple as that.. If we as a group want to discuss it and make up (frank)ing fantasy numbers.. then so be it.

Their financial struggles are well documented. The exacts, maybe not... but speculating isnt a crime.
- jak521

why would you worry about another teams' finances?

unless it's nashville's and your still ticked that they matched

I second this comment. Nobody knows how much is made, how much is spent, or how much is hidden in the clouds that the bankers control.
- dgutzman

If that's the case, why are you the one trumpeting specific numbers in terms of hockey revenue and non hockey revenue?

The sole number I provided is the amount of money that the Preds have borrowed from the local government over the past five years, which is a matter of public record.

I can discuss any aspect of it I choose to, including the part that nobody has access to Nashville's finance records. They don't open thier books to the public. How much Nashville made or lost, is all specualtion.
- MJL

Really MJL facts and Real world fact are always in conflict

why would you worry about another teams' finances?

unless it's nashville's and your still ticked that they matched
- b0s0o1

Because the NHL is facing a potential lockout which will see us as fans not be able to watch the sport we love.

I don't care that Nashville matched the Weber offer sheet. It would have been great to have Weber, but it's done with. The discussion began because a person who now says that none of us know how much the team made or lost provided specific numbers of how much the team made and lost.

If that's the case, why are you the one trumpeting specific numbers in terms of hockey revenue and non hockey revenue?

The sole number I provided is the amount of money that the Preds have borrowed from the local government over the past five years, which is a matter of public record.
- Jsaquella

kinda bored, aren't we?

I second this comment. Nobody knows how much is made, how much is spent, or how much is hidden in the clouds that the bankers control.
- dgutzman

Yes the illuminati has finally gained control of the nashville predators. With them seizing the team, the bankers are able to steal more of nashvilles money...with that money they are buying of nashvilles politicians....for what? to steal even more money. What are the funds going for you ask? To clone an army of weber bots to take over the word. It all makes sense now....weber is head of the illuminati.

kinda bored, aren't we?
- b0s0o1

Pretty much, but not as bored as you seem to be, calling out people for what they are discussing, rather than actually discussing a hockey related topic.

Because the NHL is facing a potential lockout which will see us as fans not be able to watch the sport we love.

I don't care that Nashville matched the Weber offer sheet. It would have been great to have Weber, but it's done with. The discussion began because a person who now says that none of us know how much the team made or lost provided specific numbers of how much the team made and lost.
- Jsaquella

the lockout is something we have no control over...

those "specific numbers" can be equated to the "specific players" involved in potential trades...

nobody, even ek (snicker, snicker) and his "insiders" (snicker, snicker,) really knows the inner workings of a franchise

Pretty much, but not as bored as you seem to be, calling out people for what they are discussing, rather than actually discussing a hockey related topic.
- Jsaquella

meh...your boy nurk was barking like a little schnauzer last night on the sabres thread...got beat back like the little dog he is by a goose...

many flyer fans are still bitter that weber isn't in the orange and black...

that, my referee friend, is a hockey related topic

the lockout is something we have no control over...

those "specific numbers" can be equated to the "specific players" involved in potential trades...

nobody, even ek (snicker, snicker) and his "insiders" (snicker, snicker,) really knows the inner workings of a franchise
- b0s0o1

The specific numbers the other poster mentioned were hockey revenue and non hockey revenue. Not sure how trading players affects the money made by a Tim McGraw or Kenny Chesney concert at Bridgestone Arena.

The poster stated that the team lost $7mm in hockey revenue, but made $15mm in non hockey revenue. The only number I provided is one that is public record, the amount that a local government spent to help the team.

The fact is, regardless of the personal wealth of the Predators' owners, they have borrowed almost $40mm from the city of Nashville over the past 5 years. That doesn't scream financial stability to me.

As for the lockout or possibility of one, why shouldn't fans discuss it?

The specific numbers the other poster mentioned were hockey revenue and non hockey revenue. Not sure how trading players affects the money made by a Tim McGraw or Kenny Chesney concert at Bridgestone Arena.

The poster stated that the team lost $7mm in hockey revenue, but made $15mm in non hockey revenue. The only number I provided is one that is public record, the amount that a local government spent to help the team.

The fact is, regardless of the personal wealth of the Predators' owners, they have borrowed almost $40mm from the city of Nashville over the past 5 years. That doesn't scream financial stability to me.

As for the lockout or possibility of one, why shouldn't fans discuss it?
- Jsaquella

i think the bigger question on the borrowed money front is, what was the percentage rate?

we all borrow money...there's good debt and bad debt...it's not like they don't have the financial backing to cover the loan

meh...your boy nurk was barking like a little schnauzer last night on the sabres thread...got beat back like the little dog he is by a goose...

many flyer fans are still bitter that weber isn't in the orange and black...

that, my referee friend, is a hockey related topic
- b0s0o1

I'm not a referee, nor do I troll other threads. I also don't care what idiots on other threads say when they are trolling. I'm simply engaging in a discussion that is happening on a thread that I am a regular visitor on.

I'm sure a lot of Flyer fans are bitter about not landing Weber, just like a lot of Sabres fans were biter about losing Briere and Drury. I'm not one of them, because I realized there was a good chance all along that Nashville would match. I try to stick to rational thought.

That's why I'm not suggesting that the Flyers trade Matt Read for Zdeno Chara.

http://prohockeytalk.nbcs...to-pay-off-overdue-loans/

Vanderbeek has been in search of cash for the team since September when the team reportedly missed an $80 million loan repayment. He reportedly has until August 14, a week from today, to pay off the lenders or he could lose control of the team.

As was reported after the Stanley Cup finals, the NHL reportedly has a Coyotes-like takeover plan in place for the Devils should Vanderbeek fall short of the funds needed to remain in control. The league has denied those reports, however.

Only 6 more days. What I find interesting is that if Parise had resigned with Devils, I'm sure they made a competitive offer, is that the league would be stuck paying the contract if Vanderbeek can't come up with $20 mill in the next 6 days. I hope that group that wants to buy the Coyotes can raise their $20 mill shortfall or the league could own 2 teams.

I'm not a referee, nor do I troll other threads. I also don't care what idiots on other threads say when they are trolling. I'm simply engaging in a discussion that is happening on a thread that I am a regular visitor on.

I'm sure a lot of Flyer fans are bitter about not landing Weber, just like a lot of Sabres fans were biter about losing Briere and Drury. I'm not one of them, because I realized there was a good chance all along that Nashville would match. I try to stick to rational thought.

That's why I'm not suggesting that the Flyers trade Matt Read for Zdeno Chara.
- Jsaquella

fair enough...

respect, mon


edit: btw...you know that sabres d-man andrej sekera has "sick trade value"

The more I look at the FA defensemen, there's really nobody out there who replaces Meszaros. That means a trade. Looking at the trade possibilities, unless they go for the home run, I'd rather stand pat and see what the kids can do.

They could easily end up trading valuable assets for a guy who would be no better than Gustafsson
- Jsaquella

Glad you agree with me. There's an expression..."great minds think alike".

Good day. Cheers!

How we doing today, fellas?

i think the bigger question on the borrowed money front is, what was the percentage rate?

we all borrow money...there's good debt and bad debt...it's not like they don't have the financial backing to cover the loan
- b0s0o1

Sure, and personally the owners of the Predators do have the financial backing to cover the loans.

Which brings us back to the main question: If those loans were necessary to keep the team running, and the comment in the Tenneseean story about the local owners dropping $60mm into the team over the past 5 years is accurate, how much more money are these wealthy people willing to spend out of pocket before they decide that they can see a better return elsewhere?

As I have said the only concrete number is the $38.6mm that the team has borrowed over the past 5 years. That amount seems excessive, unless a team is in some financial difficulty.

fair enough...

respect, mon


edit: btw...you know that sabres d-man andrej sekera has "sick trade value"
- b0s0o1

NOOOOO!!!

I'm not a referee, nor do I troll other threads. I also don't care what idiots on other threads say when they are trolling. I'm simply engaging in a discussion that is happening on a thread that I am a regular visitor on.

I'm sure a lot of Flyer fans are bitter about not landing Weber, just like a lot of Sabres fans were biter about losing Briere and Drury. I'm not one of them, because I realized there was a good chance all along that Nashville would match. I try to stick to rational thought.

That's why I'm not suggesting that the Flyers trade Matt Read for Zdeno Chara.
- Jsaquella

I wouldn't say bitter. I would suggest disappointed. I would be bitter if I knew we could have had him but wouldn't give up Schenn or Coots.

http://www.courierpostonl...hilles-tear-sinks-Flyers-

Bourdon says deal is "pretty much done"

Still a restricted free agent, Bourdon re-affirmed Holmgren’s confidence that a deal will get done. Last week, Holmgren told reporters that a deal would be done “in the near future.”

“Right now it’s pretty much done,” Bourdon said, adding that the paperwork will be finalized “in the next couple of days.”

"I honestly don't know why anyone get's involved in discussing the specifics of a team's finances. None of us have the factual information to do so accurately."

If you dont want to get involved then dont get (frank)ing involved. Simple as that.. If we as a group want to discuss it and make up (frank)ing fantasy numbers.. then so be it.

Their financial struggles are well documented. The exacts, maybe not... but speculating isnt a crime.
- jak521

Where did I (frank)ing say that you or anyone else couldn't discuss what you want to discuss? I just wondered why people discuss the specifics when they aren't known. If you have a problem with that, too bad!

There is specualation of their financial struggles. But I'm not personally going to question how millionaire business men run their finances, as a working stiff who has to go to work everyday to earn a paycheck just to get by.

Sure, and personally the owners of the Predators do have the financial backing to cover the loans.

Which brings us back to the main question: If those loans were necessary to keep the team running, and the comment in the Tenneseean story about the local owners dropping $60mm into the team over the past 5 years is accurate, how much more money are these wealthy people willing to spend out of pocket before they decide that they can see a better return elsewhere?

As I have said the only concrete number is the $38.6mm that the team has borrowed over the past 5 years. That amount seems excessive, unless a team is in some financial difficulty.
- Jsaquella

it's a tough market, no doubt...

wild owner craig leipold bolted the franchise for minny presumably because of that...

they showed a big commitment to rinne and to weber and seem commited to building a winner...

cost be damned

NOOOOO!!!
- Jsaquella

yeah, i know