you can say it as long as you want...doesnt mean its accurate. that is yet to be determined.
- LetsGoIsles

Unless the NHL cheats, and brushes this under the rug..........the guy has a NTC. There is no disputing this. The question, is wether or not he filed his grievance in the alloted time period. This situation to me, is black and white. Guy had a NTC, and therefor this trade shouldnt be allowed. What the NHL does is another story. I dont see how they can allow this trade...

Unless the NHL cheats, and brushes this under the rug..........the guy has a NTC. There is no disputing this. The question, is wether or not he filed his grievance in the alloted time period. This situation to me, is black and white. Guy had a NTC, and therefor this trade shouldnt be allowed. What the NHL does is another story. I dont see how they can allow this trade...
- kindlyrick

if what you say is correct, you answered your own question "The question, is wether or not he filed his grievance in the alloted time period"

if what you say is correct, you answered your own question "The question, is wether or not he filed his grievance in the alloted time period"
- LetsGoIsles

Im not an attorney and i dont know the legalese, but the guy has a NTC. Im not sure on the rule of statute of limitations with his grievance, but clearly he and his agent wouldnt have filed if they didnt think they could win. Its a tricky situation, and if the NHL pushes this trade through, its clear they did the isles a favor. To me there is no disputing....

Gordon is a good coach.
The system he wanted to play hurt him... because he didn't have the right personal for it @ the time.

The Maple Leafs used to play a similar system... that is why Gordon was brought in.

Not sure what they are doing now with Carlyle... different type of coach.
- jimmc7722

Then jury is still out on that. To be fair, Snow fired Gordon and the guy hasn't gotten another head coaching gig since, even at the AHL level (I believe).

The sign of a good coach is one who can maximize the productivity of the talent he has to work with, even if it means altering his own approach to accomplish that, i.e. finding ways to fit square pegs somewhat into round holes. Gordon was either incapable of altering his system or unwilling to do so to cater to his talent (or lack thereof). If Gordon had the players to run his system, then I'm sure he would have had better results on Long Island. But, he was completely incapable of squeezing anything out of what he did have, and its telling that Cappy of all people was able to come in and take the same roster and squeeze some respectability out of it, albeit only for a half season, after the team was out of the playoff race.

Snow's head coaching record is shoddy at best. He didn't hire Nolan, only replaced him. he replaced him with Gordon, who failed, and now Cappy, who's going down the same road as Gordon. If you're going to go young and develop a team from within, you need a coach who players respect and has a track record of developing young players at the NHL level. Snow has yet to hire that type of coach.

Im not an attorney and i dont know the legalese, but the guy has a NTC. Im not sure on the rule of statute of limitations with his grievance, but clearly he and his agent wouldnt have filed if they didnt think they could win. Its a tricky situation, and if the NHL pushes this trade through, its clear they did the isles a favor. To me there is no disputing....
- kindlyrick

im not sure how you can admittedly say you "dont know the legalese" and "there is no disputing" in the same argument....seems like your jumping to conclusions without knowing all the facts. why dont we just wait till a decision is made.

im not sure how you can admittedly say you "dont know the legalese" and "there is no disputing" in the same argument....seems like your jumping to conclusions without knowing all the facts. why dont we just wait till a decision is made.
- LetsGoIsles

We are in fact waiting......

Im saying I dont know what the rule is on the time frame. But, I do know that he had a NTC and was traded...

Im not an attorney and i dont know the legalese, but the guy has a NTC. Im not sure on the rule of statute of limitations with his grievance, but clearly he and his agent wouldnt have filed if they didnt think they could win. Its a tricky situation, and if the NHL pushes this trade through, its clear they did the isles a favor. To me there is no disputing....
- kindlyrick

Its a contract. Unless the last CBA contained a specific clause in it governing all NTC's negotiated for the CBA period, and specifically their waiver if not invoked at first opportunity, the specific terms of Visnovsky's contract will control the agreement. Its likely not an objective, cut-and-dry issue.

My guess is that Visnovsky will win his greivance IF there was no language in his contract that specifically required him to invoke his NTC at first opportunity in order to retain it for the rest of the contract. My other guess is that there was no language in his contract specifically stating that he must invoke his NTC at first opportunity or else he loses it. The reason for that guess is simple: every trade is different from each other. Being traded one place is not the same as being traded to another. What if a player wants to go to a place he's traded to (ala Visnovsky from Edmonton to Anaheim), but later during the term of the contract is traded to a place he wants no part of (ala Anaheim to NYI)?

Why should Visnovsky have to invoke his NTC to block a trade to a place he wants to go to in order to preserve his NTC in case he is subsequently dealt to a team he wants no part of? It doesn't make sense and that's why I don't think that specific language was in Visnovsky's contract and why I think his agent filed the grievance and will likely win.

Its a contract. Unless the last CBA contained a specific clause in it governing all NTC's negotiated for the CBA period, and specifically their waiver if not invoked at first opportunity, the specific terms of Visnovsky's contract will control the agreement. Its likely not an objective, cut-and-dry issue.

My guess is that Visnovsky will win his greivance IF there was no language in his contract that specifically required him to invoke his NTC at first opportunity in order to retain it for the rest of the contract. My other guess is that there was no language in his contract specifically stating that he must invoke his NTC at first opportunity or else he loses it. The reason for that guess is simple: every trade is different from each other. Being traded one place is not the same as being traded to another. What if a player wants to go to a place he's traded to (ala Visnovsky from Edmonton to Anaheim), but later during the term of the contract is traded to a place he wants no part of (ala Anaheim to NYI)?

Why should Visnovsky have to invoke his NTC to block a trade to a place he wants to go to in order to preserve his NTC in case he is subsequently dealt to a team he wants no part of? It doesn't make sense and that's why I don't think that specific language was in Visnovsky's contract and why I think his agent filed the grievance and will likely win.
- Jethro09

Dont lawyer me....

[quote=Dee Karl]Dee Karl: John Tavares Keeps a Promise

Now if only Garth would keep HIS promise and acquire those players we have the assets to trade for to improve the team and (shock the world) make the playoffs!

[quote=Dee Karl]Dee Karl: John Tavares Keeps a Promise

Now if only Garth would keep HIS promise and acquire those players we have the assets to trade for to improve the team and (shock the world) make the playoffs!
- jmo16

Visnovsky!!!!! He tried, and we don't begin the playoff push until the Brooklyn game in SEPTEMBER.

[quote=Dee Karl]Dee Karl: John Tavares Keeps a Promise

Now if only Garth would keep HIS promise and acquire those players we have the assets to trade for to improve the team and (shock the world) make the playoffs!
- jmo16

JMO16 are you trying to say JT should feel out of place with these promise breakers?

I would take the Isles roster over the Leafs roster...

Considering they basically started the rebuilds @ the same time... I think we have more potential going forward.

And they spend alot more $$$$$!!!!!
- jimmc7722

Wow I agree with you, though I'd take Columbus's roster over the Leafs. Always funny when Leaf fans troll.

unclear...but just because nabakov didnt play when the isles picked him up doesnt mean he wasnt an islander...would he play? if push came to shove, id say yes - hes already hedged the grievance by saying he only did it on "principle".

he certainly isnt anything other than an isles as of today....
- LetsGoIsles

You believe this?

You believe this?
- Cptmjl

do you believe there is a 0% chance of visnovsky ever playing in an islander uniform?

Islanders prospect ranking as per Grant Sonier
15. New York Islanders (Previous Ranking: 11)
Following the graduation of Nino Niederreiter, who turned in a less than stellar rookie season (1 G, 55 GP, minus-29), the Isles will be counting on their most recent No. 1 picks to provide a bigger bang. The 2011 draft brought C Ryan Strome (Niagara-OHL), and 2012 landed D Griffin Reinhart (Edmonton-WHL) at No. 4 overall. I love the potential of both players. Add forwards Brock Nelson (North Dakota-NCAA/Bridgeport-AHL) and Johan Sundstrom (SWE) to the mix, and they have some depth in their talent pool.

Sleeper Prospect: Mikko Koskinen, G, (FIN) (second round/2009)
Size and constant improvement suggest he is moving in the right direction.

removable seats...problem solved. next
- LetsGoIsles

where are you putting these removable seats??


XxNYIxX

Its the same old Islanders. NOTHING has changed. I got news for you.......watch them not sign Matt Martin too. Anyone who thinks this isnt a possibilty is crazy. Especially with Wang saying everyone must be signed by camp or they dont play the year....
- kindlyrick

then he sits... its not gonna happen.. but if it did.... someone will take his mins


XxNYIxX

It would be pretty sad if both sides cannot get a deal done. I think it will get done.Wang needs to focus on the arena and stay out of playing GM.
- ses111

Where is he playing GM in this situation??

XxNYIxX

Oh well then you coulda seen his name on the islander website too.........what does any of this prove??? IF THE SEASON STARTED TODAY, HE DOES NOT PLAY. PERIOD
- kindlyrick

But he's STILL an Islander

XxNYIxX

Unless the NHL cheats, and brushes this under the rug..........the guy has a NTC. There is no disputing this. The question, is wether or not he filed his grievance in the alloted time period. This situation to me, is black and white. Guy had a NTC, and therefor this trade shouldnt be allowed. What the NHL does is another story. I dont see how they can allow this trade...
- kindlyrick

No no.. THAT is exactly what is in dispute, weather he had one or not.

black & white ONLY to you, Vis & his agent.. to the resot of the world.. not so much

Because the NTC was over once he was traded to the ducks in the first place.

XxNYIxX

Im not an attorney and i dont know the legalese, but the guy has a NTC. Im not sure on the rule of statute of limitations with his grievance, but clearly he and his agent wouldnt have filed if they didnt think they could win. Its a tricky situation, and if the NHL pushes this trade through, its clear they did the isles a favor. To me there is no disputing....
- kindlyrick

" Visnovsky and his agent Neil Sheehy don't know if they'll win or not -- but they said the facts are unclear enough that they thought they'd try."

That quote does not sound like they believe its cut & dry, black & white, open & shut.... Im not saying.. im just saying

XxNYIxX