Thats just it, we trade JBO to you & he takes to a duck in water, especially after coming out of the Sutter "smother any offense systems". That is going to create a huge hole on our blueline & its not like we cant afford him.
Did hear the offer was Fippula, Ericsson & a pick on some site. Any idea whats on the table. If it was Fippula, Ericsson & the 2013 1st for JBO & Nemitz or Horak, I would be down with that. Would still miss JBO's mega minutes against the hard competition, but I dont think we are winning anything anytime soon anyway.
- Kevin R

I could definitely see Filppula being the centerpiece with Calgary's lack of centers, but I really can't see them trading any defense at this point given how thin they are.

injuries where? i always hate that excuse from wings fans and management
like we are the only team that has injuries

forwards are fine, defense looks horrible -like islanders horrible
goaltending will suffer for this
- wingz4life

C'mon you guys have Datsyuk! Best player in the world according to 99% wings fans. The mule will have a better season and you guys will be fine. They'll make a trade for better D.

C'mon you guys have Datsyuk! Best player in the world according to 99% wings fans. The mule will have a better season and you guys will be fine. They'll make a trade for better D.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

the mule? one of the laziest (frank)s in this league


a better D, ya the great Jay Boumeester

the mule? one of the laziest (frank)s in this league


a better D, ya the great Jay Boumeester
- wingz4life

They said the same lazy stuff about Penner. But i really hope they suck. I just never bet against them.

injuries where? i always hate that excuse from wings fans and management
like we are the only team that has injuries

forwards are fine, defense looks horrible -like islanders horrible
goaltending will suffer for this
- wingz4life

injuries are a part of the game, but to say major injuries to key personel does not impact teams in different ways is ignorant. Sure you get a few teams that have a season here and there that seem to battle through them, but most times they drastically affect teams performance... particulary when it's key personel.

the mule? one of the laziest (frank)s in this league


a better D, ya the great Jay Boumeester
- wingz4life

you seem to have all the snotty comments, but lack of answer.

I am interested to hear what you would do to improve?

I want to preface this by saying that I have a tremendous amount of respect for that franchise, and how consistently good they have been for the last 20 years. But, perhaps there is a bit of a perception that the Wings are trending downwards. Despite their former unbelievable drafting success, they have not drafted particularly well in the last few years, and Lidstrom's retirement is obviously a significant loss. Upfront an aging Datysuk and Zetterberg are fantastic players and Fillipula is an emerging player, but after that there are question marks. The D, right now, is as thin as thin can be.

I never thought I would say this, but I think that as currently consistituted, the Wings aren't a lock for the playoffs next year. Although, I have seen people write off the Wings before, only to look like fools.

Perhaps the wings just need to save their cap space for next summer, which has the potential to have some high end UFAs.
- Pete V

I hope you are kidding with that statement. Wings farm system is as deep as it has been in 20 years. They have made some good picks with respect to where they have been drafting the last few years. Tatar, Jarnkrok, Pulkkinen, Nyquist, Sproul, Jurco, Mrazek ect...were all decent picks where they were drafted. Obviously only a few might pan out but i like the depth and they have some good prospects with good potential...which is all you can hope for when drating late every year.

Well i don't think Doan will be a Wing at all and last i read was that the Wings were out on him. Hemsky? God no...would rather go with what we have and give the kids a chance. Colaiacovo and Gilroy i don't want. Kubina and Hannan could be ok depth.

JBo i don't want at all if it costs Filppula, Nyquist or a 1st rounder. If they can get him for some combo of Emmerton, Mursak, Abdelkader, a low level prospect and a draft pick (not a first) then maybe i could go for that.


At this point (unless he can get a good dman in a trade), i would rather Holland sign Kubina or Hannan and go with what we have. Maybe trade one or both of Mursak and Emmerton for a depth defenseman that doesn't have to clear waivers since right now Lashoff would be the first callup incase of injuries and i'm not sure how he would do...plus behind Lashoff there is nobody NHL ready to come in.

you seem to have all the snotty comments, but lack of answer.

I am interested to hear what you would do to improve?
- BooBoo997

the defense?
nothing now, that shipped has sailed
i would of thrown more $ then philly at a Weber offer sheet

or

trade for Yandle

The Wings need D - period. I'm sure that Jbo would fit nicely but Calgary is then pretty thin at the back end, so the price would be pretty high.
Vancouver would love to send you Ballard! Although you may need a new goalie...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VonWLysIAcA

the defense?
nothing now, that shipped has sailed
i would of thrown more $ then philly at a Weber offer sheet

or

trade for Yandle
- wingz4life

Nashville would have matched Weber, as they did with Philly and the Wings have an offer already in on Yandle. So they are pretty much doing your suggestion.

Well i don't think Doan will be a Wing at all and last i read was that the Wings were out on him. Hemsky? God no...would rather go with what we have and give the kids a chance. Colaiacovo and Gilroy i don't want. Kubina and Hannan could be ok depth.

JBo i don't want at all if it costs Filppula, Nyquist or a 1st rounder. If they can get him for some combo of Emmerton, Mursak, Abdelkader, a low level prospect and a draft pick (not a first) then maybe i could go for that.


At this point (unless he can get a good dman in a trade), i would rather Holland sign Kubina or Hannan and go with what we have. Maybe trade one or both of Mursak and Emmerton for a depth defenseman that doesn't have to clear waivers since right now Lashoff would be the first callup incase of injuries and i'm not sure how he would do...plus behind Lashoff there is nobody NHL ready to come in.
- dcz28

Kubina I think could have something left to give to a 3rd pairing providing hes healthy enough. If he's 15 mins a night he could be a steal. We got robbed in our trade with him, but for the first 10-15 games he was with us he was great. Then he got hurt, tried to come back and was terrible.

Not sure what the injury is....I just think he should be given a look

Kubina I think could have something left to give to a 3rd pairing providing hes healthy enough. If he's 15 mins a night he could be a steal. We got robbed in our trade with him, but for the first 10-15 games he was with us he was great. Then he got hurt, tried to come back and was terrible.

Not sure what the injury is....I just think he should be given a look
- Just5

I think the Wings wanted him at the deadline but the Flyers offered up a better deal so i could see the Wings giving him a short term deal. Wings need some vet depth incase of injuries. They also need some vet depth on the farm with Exelby and Janik leaving. Wings need to at least sign/trade for 2 more defensemen.

frk him....lets get some real players, St. Louis is better than us c'mon!!!

Kubina I think could have something left to give to a 3rd pairing providing hes healthy enough. If he's 15 mins a night he could be a steal. We got robbed in our trade with him, but for the first 10-15 games he was with us he was great. Then he got hurt, tried to come back and was terrible.

Not sure what the injury is....I just think he should be given a look
- Just5

I'd take Kubina at a reduced price, same with Hannan...I see a lot of Mike Commadore in both of them....

why dey sign for no sppon?

I hope you are kidding with that statement. Wings farm system is as deep as it has been in 20 years. They have made some good picks with respect to where they have been drafting the last few years. Tatar, Jarnkrok, Pulkkinen, Nyquist, Sproul, Jurco, Mrazek ect...were all decent picks where they were drafted. Obviously only a few might pan out but i like the depth and they have some good prospects with good potential...which is all you can hope for when drating late every year.
- dcz28

By former Red Wings standards, they have not drafted nearly as well as they have in the past. Let me grant you that possibility that some of the guys above will go onto be NHL players. That may happen, but since 2002, the Red Wings have only drafted the following players that have turned out to be NHL players: Howard, Quincy, Franzen, Abdelkader, Helm and Nyquist.

I realize they have some good prospects in the pipeline, but the above crop of drafted players that have contributed to the Red Wings, is not nearly what it used to be. Not bad, but certaintly not great either.

First let me say the forwards will take care of themselves. It would be nice if we pick up a scoring winger, if we had one last spring we would have went a hell of a lot further in the playoffs, but just laying the lines out it looks like this to me..

Franzen Datsyuk Bertuzzi
Filpulla Z Samuelson
Cleary Helm Nyquist
Miller Abdelkader Tootoo

Reserves, Emmerton, Eaves, Andersson, Mursak, Tatar.

Solid, pro bunch in the top 12, a solid bunch of B and C prospects ready to step in as well. These guys are alright.

Our defense looks like this

Kronwall White
Quincey Ericksson
Kindl Smith

Reserve- nothing

Very, very thin on the blue line. Nathan Paetsch was signed out of Europe for grand rapids, I hope as our 8 or 9 guy at best. If these guys are healthy they are solid, all three lines would have someone who can move the puck forward, but injuries and slumps happen, we have to add another d-man to the mix.
I understand the desire for Bouwmeester, a minute eater with some skill, but he would come at a cost, Calgary is not short forwards so a package of a couple of our kids would be less appealing to them than most teams and one of the above would have to sit every night. I would prefer a guy like Carlo colaiacovo, he costs only money, is smart, can move the puck and would be cheap. The added advantage is he instead of forcing Brendan smith to the bench or Grand rapids as Bouwmeester would, Colaiacovo would be a rotation guy. I think Smith is going to have his bumps and bruises going forward but is a rugged scoring d-man, brings the edge to his game on the blue line that any team covets and will score 40 plus points a year year in year out. I also think that Quincey with Ericksson is a good combo, they played together at Grand rapids and the chemistry should be there. Add a solid number seven d-man without upsetting the chemistry and the divison could still be ours.
The Blues will slip some this year. Halak and Elliott cannot be that good again.
The Blackhawks are stale and stagnant.
The Predators were hit hardest of all in free agency.
The Jackets are a joke.
So over all, while I desperately hoped suter was going to replace Lidstrom, we arent that bad off, lots of money to fill holes at the deadline if needed and prospects galore to dangle if we have to. I doubt 100 points is going to happen but they will be in the mix in a very weak western conference.

By former Red Wings standards, they have not drafted nearly as well as they have in the past. Let me grant you that possibility that some of the guys above will go onto be NHL players. That may happen, but since 2002, the Red Wings have only drafted the following players that have turned out to be NHL players: Howard, Quincy, Franzen, Abdelkader, Helm and Nyquist.

I realize they have some good prospects in the pipeline, but the above crop of drafted players that have contributed to the Red Wings, is not nearly what it used to be. Not bad, but certaintly not great either.
- Pete V

You forgot a couple of players.

2002 (no 1st round pick): Hudler, Fleischmann, Filppula, Meech, Ericsson
2003 (no 1st round pick): Howard, Quincey
2004 (no 1st or 2nd round picks): Franzen
2005: Kindl, Abdelkader, Helm
2006 (no first round pick): Emmerton, Matthias, Mursak, (Larsson might be on this list had he not gone back to Sweden after 2 seasons in the AHL)
2007: Brendan Smith, Joakim Andersson

Rest is still too early to tell but not too bad when you think of the lack of 1st round picks and how late they have drafted every year. You can't expect a Datsyuk, Zetterberg or Weber's every year. Holland always says that a good draft is a draft where you can get 2 players that make it to the NHL. Wings have pretty much done that without a 1st round pick on most years.

Wings farm system has a lot of potential talent right now...more than the last 15 years since the Wings have mostly only traded 1st round picks to trade down for extra picks. Is there a stars player or two in the system? Who knows at this point but there is the potential and depth which is all you can ask for when you haven't drafted in the top half of the draft since taking Martin Lapointe 10th overall in 1991.