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Ultimate Cyberhabs
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Marty does not assume, he just
Joined: 03.21.2009

Aug 1 @ 11:33 PM ET
thanks Luc.
- Habssuperfan77




Night gentleman.

My wife gets up for work at 5:30, which apparently means that I get up at 5:30 so that I can be at work for 8:30.

I only posted this information because Mr. Peanut wanted to know.
mr.peanut
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Born Wearing Gold 2023-24: 6-0-0, QC
Joined: 12.18.2011

Aug 1 @ 11:34 PM ET
I had no idea people from Laval could read.
- hon_hon_hon

There was that one guy from Laval that almost finished a book... but he ran out of crayons.
Habssuperfan77
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Brain Tumor survivor...wish they would have at least provide me with a brain after the surgery. : (
Joined: 07.26.2007

Aug 1 @ 11:34 PM ET
There was that one guy from Laval that almost finished a book... but he ran out of crayons.
- mr.peanut


hon_hon_hon
Montreal Canadiens
Location: @hon_hon_hon# re #price @habs I hope @# they call @# him up. -@#hon_hon_hon #@#! #112v #k#1r3@
Joined: 04.09.2012

Aug 1 @ 11:34 PM ET
There was that one guy from Laval that almost finished a book... but he ran out of crayons.
- mr.peanut


You've got a fine future in recycling.
mr.peanut
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Born Wearing Gold 2023-24: 6-0-0, QC
Joined: 12.18.2011

Aug 1 @ 11:34 PM ET


Night gentleman.

My wife gets up for work at 5:30, which apparently means that I get up at 5:30 so that I can be at work for 8:30.

I only posted this information because Mr. Peanut wanted to know.

- Ultimate Cyberhabs

Goodnight Luc, you will be in my prayers no one should wake up that early.
hon_hon_hon
Montreal Canadiens
Location: @hon_hon_hon# re #price @habs I hope @# they call @# him up. -@#hon_hon_hon #@#! #112v #k#1r3@
Joined: 04.09.2012

Aug 1 @ 11:35 PM ET


Night gentleman.

My wife gets up for work at 5:30, which apparently means that I get up at 5:30 so that I can be at work for 8:30.

I only posted this information because Mr. Peanut wanted to know.

- Ultimate Cyberhabs


What will you be doing in the meantime since the backreading seems taken care of?
mr.peanut
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Born Wearing Gold 2023-24: 6-0-0, QC
Joined: 12.18.2011

Aug 1 @ 11:35 PM ET
You've got a fine future in recycling.
- hon_hon_hon

I hope you have a fine future in shutting the (frank) up.
hon_hon_hon
Montreal Canadiens
Location: @hon_hon_hon# re #price @habs I hope @# they call @# him up. -@#hon_hon_hon #@#! #112v #k#1r3@
Joined: 04.09.2012

Aug 1 @ 11:35 PM ET
Goodnight Luc, you will be in my prayers no one should wake up that early.
- mr.peanut


Unless wasted.
hon_hon_hon
Montreal Canadiens
Location: @hon_hon_hon# re #price @habs I hope @# they call @# him up. -@#hon_hon_hon #@#! #112v #k#1r3@
Joined: 04.09.2012

Aug 1 @ 11:36 PM ET
I hope you have a fine future in shutting the (frank) up.
- mr.peanut


lol!

edit : I do
mr.peanut
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Born Wearing Gold 2023-24: 6-0-0, QC
Joined: 12.18.2011

Aug 1 @ 11:36 PM ET
lol!
- hon_hon_hon

Dan wants his overused joke back.
mr.peanut
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Born Wearing Gold 2023-24: 6-0-0, QC
Joined: 12.18.2011

Aug 1 @ 11:37 PM ET
Goodnight everyone!!!
hon_hon_hon
Montreal Canadiens
Location: @hon_hon_hon# re #price @habs I hope @# they call @# him up. -@#hon_hon_hon #@#! #112v #k#1r3@
Joined: 04.09.2012

Aug 1 @ 11:37 PM ET
Dan wants his overused joke back.
- mr.peanut


Dan probably wants his youth, hair and childhood friends back too.
Habssuperfan77
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Brain Tumor survivor...wish they would have at least provide me with a brain after the surgery. : (
Joined: 07.26.2007

Aug 1 @ 11:38 PM ET
Goodnight everyone!!!
- mr.peanut



Good night Peanut....

see you at the place around the time we spoke of to watch the game together.
hon_hon_hon
Montreal Canadiens
Location: @hon_hon_hon# re #price @habs I hope @# they call @# him up. -@#hon_hon_hon #@#! #112v #k#1r3@
Joined: 04.09.2012

Aug 1 @ 11:52 PM ET
I only have one problem with this post.

“in the same draft that saw the Canadiens waste their first round pick (7th overall) on defenceman, Mike Komisarek. We all know how the love story with Komisarek ended.”

Okay, so it ended poorly, yes. His play beside Markov was not representative of his actual value (which is why I kind of want to swap Kaberle for Komisarek, it’d fill a need we have for a more physical defenseman and, in reuniting him with Markov, could return him to previous levels in a way that benefits us – but that’s beside the point).

The thing is you said it was a waste of a pick. But who would you pick instead?

Obviously revisionist history would show that a player like Pleks (71st), Bieksa (151st), Ehrhoff (106th), or Sharp (95th) would be much higher than where they were picked. However we can’t say they should have taken, say, Patrick Sharp 7th overall because that would have been so far off the board that no GM in their right mind would do it. We have to compare to other picks in the middle part of the draft. Such as…

7 Montreal Mike Komisarek
8 Columbus Pascal Leclaire
9 Chicago Tuomo Ruutu
10 NY Rangers Dan Blackburn
11 Phoenix Fredrik Sjostrom
12 Nashville Dan Hamhuis
13 Edmonton Ales Hemsky
14 Calgary Chuck Kobasew
15 Carolina Igor Knyazev
16 Vancouver R.J. Umberger
17 Toronto Carlo Colaiacovo
18 Los Angeles Jens Karlsson

The goalies, Leclaire and Blackburn, have both fizzled mainly due to injury. Leclaire also suffered from inconsistent play and being chosen by Columbus, but suffice it to say that neither turned out.

Among the other defensemen, 2 became decent and 1 (Knyazev) never played an NHL game. Colaiacovo suffered for a long time from injuries and Toronto Maple Hype, but the last few years he’s done a decent job in St. Louis. However, would I take his last 4 years over Komisarek’s last 4 in Montreal? No. And the fact it took so long for Colaiacovo to become a regular NHLer means he would have been released by Montreal years ago.
Dan Hamhuis probably would have been a better selection. -shrug-

The vast majority of the first 18 picks were forwards (12), and it’s worth noting that Komisarek turned out better than 2 of the 6 forwards who were drafted before him (Chistov and Svitov). But what about those after?

-Tuomo Ruutu: too offensive for 3rd line, not good enough for 2nd. Was 7th forward on poor Carolina team in TOI/GP
-Fredrik Sjostrom: never hit potential, now back in Sweden
-Ales Hemsky: very good, probably best player between 7th and 18th… injury problems only caveat
-Chuck Kobasew: 4th liner now. Had 2 decent years with Boston (81pts in 141gp), but then was traded to Minnesota and injured his knee.
-R.J. Umberger: Now is Columbus’s best forward. Ouch. He’s a decent 2nd liner, I think.
-Jens Karlsson: never made the NHL

So who would you have drafted over Komisarek? I’d take Hemsky or Hamhuis, and maybe Umberger…but it’s hard to say the pick was wasted when it’s surrounded by a large number of worse picks. That draft was simply awful afterall.
pete26
Montreal Canadiens
Location: (HE, HIM, HIS), ON
Joined: 11.20.2008

Aug 2 @ 12:14 AM ET
So that's it?
hon_hon_hon
Montreal Canadiens
Location: @hon_hon_hon# re #price @habs I hope @# they call @# him up. -@#hon_hon_hon #@#! #112v #k#1r3@
Joined: 04.09.2012

Aug 2 @ 12:28 AM ET
So that's it?
- pete26


Get your score card out and use your black Sharpie to cross the Canucks off the lsit of teams taht Doan has vissited in the past two weeks.

- GARTH Ek
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Aug 2 @ 6:43 AM ET
Christian for the post and Marty for calling me a douche.


- hscesq

Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Aug 2 @ 6:46 AM ET
Guys, I'm hearing Carey Price PK Subban wants out of town. Anyone else hearing this?
Ultimate Cyberhabs
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Marty does not assume, he just
Joined: 03.21.2009

Aug 2 @ 6:59 AM ET
Guys, I'm hearing Carey Price PK Subban wants out of town. Anyone else hearing this?
- Pecafan Fan


Bergevin.
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Aug 2 @ 7:05 AM ET
Habssuperfan77
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Brain Tumor survivor...wish they would have at least provide me with a brain after the surgery. : (
Joined: 07.26.2007

Aug 2 @ 7:16 AM ET

- Pecafan Fan



is that Brent Hayden???

Habssuperfan77
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Brain Tumor survivor...wish they would have at least provide me with a brain after the surgery. : (
Joined: 07.26.2007

Aug 2 @ 7:17 AM ET
Guys, I'm hearing Carey Price PK Subban wants out of town. Anyone else hearing this?
- Pecafan Fan



Nope. Not going to happen.
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Aug 2 @ 7:22 AM ET
Nope. Not going to happen.
- Habssuperfan77


*sigh*
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Aug 2 @ 7:38 AM ET
Canada women's 8s win silver in rowing.
SeinfeldvNewman
New York Rangers
Location: The size of your testicles is, NY
Joined: 01.04.2012

Aug 2 @ 7:40 AM ET
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