Arnott produced as well as Booth did last year for 1.255 mil less and was healthy enough to play more games.

I know alot of people don't like his foot speed but on a one year deal it is worth it. If Luongo and Raymond get moved, there is room for both Arnott and Doan. That makes us much bigger, more physical and a huge veteran leadership injection.

I cannot imagine going into another playoffs with no solid back up plan for Kesler. He's been injured four straight playoffs now and that has been a big factor in why we fell short in those seasons. Just like he was a huge factor in going deep when he was actually healthy for 3 rounds in 2011.

I dream of the day when the Canucks can rotate 3 or 4 lines in the playoffs that have a hulk net presence.
- boonerbuck

Disagree because of the options I stated above. Someone like Luongo would undoubtedly net the Canucks more than Ballard. So if the Canucks go over the cap, GMs also understand that Gillis has other options to exercise apart from simply taking less for Luongo (ie dumping Ballard to a cap floor team). GMs know what they can do and for as rigid as the cap structure is, there's actually quite a bit of flexibility in complying with it. Signing Doan does not reduce Luongo's trade value.
- AlexF

Whatever you say, I guess. If you would like to go on thinking Gillis has all the leverage in terms of Luongo, or with Ballard if Gillis goes over the cap, it doesn't really matter to me.

My point is that being over the cap is never a good thing when you're trying to deal players. I don't get what's so hard to understand with that.

Whatever you say, I guess. If you would like to go on thinking Gillis has all the leverage in terms of Luongo, or with Ballard if Gillis goes over the cap, it doesn't really matter to me.

My point is that being over the cap is never a good thing when you're trying to deal players. I don't get what's so hard to understand with that.
- Bodhisattva

A number of Gillis' contracts and trades are closing in on him now. Luongo, Ballard, Booth, Raymond, Malholtra...

If Gillis adds any kind of large contract then he has to dump salaries wholesale. There's no denying it. There's alot of denial around here...but I'm still hopeful Gillis pulls a rabbit out of his arse.

A number of Gillis' contracts and trades are closing in on him now. Luongo, Ballard, Booth, Raymond, Malholtra...

If Gillis adds any kind of large contract then he has to dump salaries wholesale. There's no denying it. There's alot of denial around here...but I'm still hopeful Gillis pulls a rabbit out of his arse.
- boonerbuck

Finally some logic. Thank you!

A number of Gillis' contracts and trades are closing in on him now. Luongo, Ballard, Booth, Raymond, Malholtra...

If Gillis adds any kind of large contract then he has to dump salaries wholesale. There's no denying it. There's alot of denial around here...but I'm still hopeful Gillis pulls a rabbit out of his arse.
- boonerbuck

If he signs Doan, do you honestly think he cares how he gets rid of Ballard or Raymond? I sincerely doubt it......there are many options that Gillis has including the possibility (although remote) of starting Kesler on LTIR....

Lets not get carried away with letting Leaf fans tell us how dire our cap situation is. Its clearly not desirable but its manageable in order to make the right moves to make the Canucks a Cup favorite.....

If he signs Doan, do you honestly think he cares how he gets rid of Ballard or Raymond? I sincerely doubt it......there are many options that Gillis has including the possibility (although remote) of starting Kesler on LTIR....

Lets not get carried away with letting Leaf fans tell us how dire our cap situation is. Its clearly not desirable but its manageable in order to make the right moves to make the Canucks a Cup favorite.....
- chompsey

Just stating the situation. A dump would have to be made and yes that is manageable. Some pride may have to be swallowed(and I don't mean at the parade).

I think the key is that going that far over the cap would absolutely kill any leverage Gillis has (or thinks he has) with Luongo, or whomever he'd be moving to make room for Doan.

If Gillis was that far over the cap, do you think any GM's would be doing him any favours to help him get back to cap compliance?

The answer is no.
- Bodhisattva

Meh, if we sign Doan, that basically translates to adding Doan to any trade for Luongo. the haul for Lu doesn't need to be that good in that case. But if we don't sign Doan, the haul needs to be better.

If he signs Doan, do you honestly think he cares how he gets rid of Ballard or Raymond? I sincerely doubt it......there are many options that Gillis has including the possibility (although remote) of starting Kesler on LTIR....

Lets not get carried away with letting Leaf fans tell us how dire our cap situation is. Its clearly not desirable but its manageable in order to make the right moves to make the Canucks a Cup favorite.....
- chompsey

Just to be clear, I was simply refuting the fact that it's easy to make deals when you're over the cap. "Oh yeah, sign Doan. We'll just dump Ballard, who is underachieving and counts $4.2M against the cap for the next two years, on some unsuspecting fool without taking any salary back".

These are moves that are not easily made, and they don't happen often.

All I'm saying is if Gillis grabs Doan right now, good for him (although paying him even $6M over 3-4 years is bonkers, but I digress). But he certainly shouldn't expect to garner any great return for the player he has to deal as a result (ie. Luongo).

I'd say, one of the only chances he might have at dumping Ballard without taking salary back, is if the Visnovsky deal to NYI gets nixed. Then, perhaps Snow will be looking to retry that transaction with another team, and another player. Although Ballard is not Visnovsky, so even that is a long shot.

Just stating the situation. A dump would have to be made and yes that is manageable. Some pride may have to be swallowed(and I don't mean at the parade).
- boonerbuck

Ha! Too good!

Yes, I agree with you, a dump would have to be made, but I'm not worried as to who they may have to dump as it would likely have little to no impact on the team unlike Chicagos deals a few years back and Christian Ehrhoff in San Jose...

The Leafs fans trolling really need to chill on things they have little knowledge of....

Meh, if we sign Doan, that basically translates to adding Doan to any trade for Luongo. the haul for Lu doesn't need to be that good in that case. But if we don't sign Doan, the haul needs to be better.
- micah555

Too bad the team acquiring Luongo doesn't give a rats a$$ that you got Doan, should that happen.

Just to be clear, I was simply refuting the fact that it's easy to make deals when you're over the cap. "Oh yeah, sign Doan. We'll just dump Ballard, who is underachieving and counts $4.2M against the cap for the next two years, on some unsuspecting fool without taking any salary back".

These are moves that are not easily made, and they don't happen often.

All I'm saying is if Gillis grabs Doan right now, good for him (although paying him even $6M over 3-4 years is bonkers, but I digress). But he certainly shouldn't expect to garner any great return for the player he has to deal as a result (ie. Luongo).

I'd say, one of the only chances he might have at dumping Ballard without taking salary back, is if the Visnovsky deal to NYI gets nixed. Then, perhaps Snow will be looking to retry that transaction with another team, and another player. Although Ballard is not Visnovsky, so even that is a long shot.
- Bodhisattva

Ya, you're right, there is absolute no way we would be able to dump Ballard in the minors......we are doomed.....

Ha! Too good!

Yes, I agree with you, a dump would have to be made, but I'm not worried as to who they may have to dump as it would likely have little to no impact on the team unlike Chicagos deals a few years back and Christian Ehrhoff in San Jose...

The Leafs fans trolling really need to chill on things they have little knowledge of....
- chompsey

So, because I show the Leafs as my team, I automatically have "little knowledge" about other franchises?

It's called being a fan of hockey, friend.

Nowhere in this thread have I been rude. I'm trying to talk hockey. No need to dismiss a person simply because they don't like the team you like.

Too bad the team acquiring Luongo doesn't give a rats a$$ that you got Doan, should that happen.
- Bodhisattva

Signing Doan may eleviate Gillis' need to get a bigger return for Luongo, hence, he could settle for some of the offers coming in for Luo, and yes, there have been offers....

So, because I show the Leafs as my team, I automatically have "little knowledge" about other franchises?

It's called being a fan of hockey, friend.

Nowhere in this thread have I been rude. I'm trying to talk hockey. No need to dismiss a person simply because they don't like the team you like.
- Bodhisattva

I don't recall singling you out....

Ya, you're right, there is absolute no way we would be able to dump Ballard in the minors......we are doomed.....
- chompsey

That's fine too. That certainly works. Although it's certainly a tough move to swallow from a business perspective. Just like dumping Redden in the minors was for the NYR, or Finger for the Leafs.

Ha! Too good!

Yes, I agree with you, a dump would have to be made, but I'm not worried as to who they may have to dump as it would likely have little to no impact on the team unlike Chicagos deals a few years back and Christian Ehrhoff in San Jose...

The Leafs fans trolling really need to chill on things they have little knowledge of....
- chompsey

Its getting annoying but conceding the obvious does not fan the flames...probably the opposite actually.

That's fine too. That certainly works. Although it's certainly a tough move to swallow from a business perspective. Just like dumping Redden in the minors was for the NYR, or Finger for the Leafs.
- Bodhisattva

I can't argue that, it would be and not the most desirable but I don't think Gillis will let other teams dictate how he runs his team....

I don't recall singling you out....
- chompsey

Are there other Leafs fans on this thread at the moment?

Are there other Leafs fans on this thread at the moment?
- Bodhisattva

You know how generalizations work, right?

Edit: Let me add a winky face to ease tension

Signing Doan may eleviate Gillis' need to get a bigger return for Luongo, hence, he could settle for some of the offers coming in for Luo, and yes, there have been offers....
- chompsey

What have the offers been?

What have the offers been?
- Bodhisattva

I am not like Ek, can't say I'm privy to any details....

Too bad the team acquiring Luongo doesn't give a rats a$$ that you got Doan, should that happen.
- Bodhisattva

This comment doesn't even make sense. I just said if we got Doan that there is less need to get a big return for Luongo.

This comment doesn't even make sense. I just said if we got Doan that there is less need to get a big return for Luongo.
- micah555

Would still be nice to trade Lu Booth + for Ryan or Thorton

Whatever you say, I guess. If you would like to go on thinking Gillis has all the leverage in terms of Luongo, or with Ballard if Gillis goes over the cap, it doesn't really matter to me.

My point is that being over the cap is never a good thing when you're trying to deal players. I don't get what's so hard to understand with that.
- Bodhisattva

The only people panicking about this seems to be Maple Leaf & Oiler's fans. All is calm in Canuck nation.

If he signs Doan, do you honestly think he cares how he gets rid of Ballard or Raymond? I sincerely doubt it......there are many options that Gillis has including the possibility (although remote) of starting Kesler on LTIR....

Lets not get carried away with letting Leaf fans tell us how dire our cap situation is. Its clearly not desirable but its manageable in order to make the right moves to make the Canucks a Cup favorite.....
- chompsey

Why would anyone give up anything for Ballard to take on his 4.2 mill?

They could get Coliacovo, Hannan and lots of other better Dmen for less on the open market without giving up a single pick.