Ryan should be moved. Period. He wants out. He shouldn't play another game for Anaheim as it would only be a (pun intended) lame Duck season for him. Murray needs to bite the bullet & do what Howson did w/Nash; take what you can get. While he's at it, move Getzlaf/Perry. The Ducks need to hit the restart button. They won their cup when their window was open. It would suck to see them pull a Calgary & keep trying to load up with this vet or that vet in hopes of squeeking in to the 6-8th spot & that they have a miracle run. Not happenin.

Could cause some locker room problems if he doesn't even want to be there. I agree though, he should have been an "untouchable" in the first place. I'd deal Getzlaf and Perry if neither want to re-sign. Getzlaf looked very uninterested and slow last year from what I saw.
- Nucker101

I don't think Bobby would be a locker room problem. He openly said he doesn't care where he plays as long as he knows the team is behind him. It's a simple fix for Murray to swallow his pride and admit that he stands behind Bobby and was only entertaining the offers that were being sent to him rather than actively shopping him.

Murray saves face, and Bobby plays for a coach that he likes and a coach that uses Bobby in the right way.

If the reason he is being moved is because he doesn't want to be there, Anaheim is going to have to move fast to make the best deal possible or end up with what Columbus got for Nash.

Ryan should be moved. Period. He wants out. He shouldn't play another game for Anaheim as it would only be a (pun intended) lame Duck season for him. Murray needs to bite the bullet & do what Howson did w/Nash; take what you can get. While he's at it, move Getzlaf/Perry. The Ducks need to hit the restart button. They won their cup when their window was open. It would suck to see them pull a Calgary & keep trying to load up with this vet or that vet in hopes of squeeking in to the 6-8th spot & that they have a miracle run. Not happenin.
- All Blues

Wrong. They got alot of young talent in their farm system unlike Calgary.
Etem/Palmieri/Holland/Lindholm/Vatanen/Friberg/Rakell etc.
Talk about Depth they got alot of players they can tryout on the 2nd/3rd lines with Etem/Palmieri/Holland/Friberg/Rakell/Maroon.
If one of them doesnt do well they got other guys they can call on to provide extra offense.
Blue line for once is an area of depth even without Schultz.
Players named Fowler and Sbisa looking pretty good for 2012-13.

The Blues going into 2011-12 were not coming off a season where they made the playoffs btw. Not to mention a goalie that played over his actual ability/talent level for them.

If the Ducks trade Ryan you hope they win the trade. They're weak on the wings, and a bit thin on D, especially mobile D.

To me the Ducks are a team in a similar situation, albeit better one, to Calgary. To they go full rebuild and move one of Perry/Getlaf? What do they do when Koivu and Selanne are gone, do they have prospects coming to fill out a second line?
- Troutback

The team is getting younger while the guys like Selanne/Koivu have gotten older.
The big weakness lies in Center position, after Getzlaf its ancient Koivu, Cogliano and then gets really bad. Holland might be their 2nd line center over Koivu depending how camp goes.
Actually have some fast skaters on D, Fowler and Sbisa are good skaters with Fowler being Great, those 2 should see a big point boost if the teams forwards play more like 2010-11 (Getzlaf, Perry Ryan need to play to potential).

Top prospects are mostly wingers, some D-men and 2 goalie prospects.
1 Center they do have as top prospect is 6'3 Peter Holland, had 60 points in 71 AHL games.
Might not need to get a 2ndline center if the kid shines in 12-13 season but I have doubts since they'd be relying on him without any other Center prospects worth calling up as insurance.

I love the fact that everyone is saying that he doesnt want to be a Duck. What Bobby said is that he is tired of being the peice that is being moved to get another peice. And if his name is always in every deal, you might as well move him. That doesnt mean he doesnt want to be there.

Look, I think that we would all be in the same boat if our name at our jobs was thrown around like a rag doll. It would get old pretty fast. The guy plays his butt off every night. But I think moving him isnt the right move here. Getzlaf/Perry/ryan are the Ducks future here. They arent going anywhere unless the Ducks are blown away by offers. I can see Perry and Getzlaf signing for 13 and $100 mil each. That isnt a bad cap hit at all. But I can see where Bob Murray is hesitant on Getzlaf due to his bad season last year.

The Ducks have a pretty solid prosepect pool to pick from. I hnestly think that Holland will come pup and be the second line C this season. Do I think the Ducks need a 2nd line center, yeah. I really think they should get Stasny, but not at the cost of losing Ryan. Do second guess the Ducks D either. Everyone thinks they need D and all that. I think their D pretty good compared to the past few seasons.

Wow...that actually makes sense maybe send Blake too since the Yotes will be freaking 13 mil from the cap floor
- AdamFrench

Would love to send Blake, but he is a UFA.

What do the Ducks folks think?

Leopold or Sekera, Stafford, Adam, Brennan -for- Ryan

Top- 4 D-Man, Decent sized PWF who can score, Center prospect with some NHL success, and a hard-working D-prospect with NHL experience.

Fills more of your needs than just replacing Ryan w/ Vanek. Adds skilled prospects to replace older players, improves defense, and replaces some of the scoring void of Ryan. Extra cap hit - 3 to 4 million

Salaries - 4mil, 3mil, 875,000, 550,000 - total: 8.425 mil
Vanek - 7.2 mil
Ryan - 5.1 mil

What do the Ducks folks think?

Leopold or Sekera, Stafford, Adam, Brennan -for- Ryan

Top- 4 D-Man, Decent sized PWF who can score, Center prospect with some NHL success, and a hard-working D-prospect with NHL experience.

Fills more of your needs than just replacing Ryan w/ Vanek. Adds skilled prospects to replace older players, improves defense, and replaces some of the scoring void of Ryan. Extra cap hit - 3 to 4 million

Salaries - 4mil, 3mil, 875,000, 550,000 - total: 8.425 mil
Vanek - 7.2 mil
Ryan - 5.1 mil
- rsj2588

Like with a lot of other trade proposals, I think this one attempts to trade quantity for quality.

IF the Ducks move Ryan, I doubt they do it without a young, "can't miss", NHL ready center. Tossing in prospects, other positions, and draft picks, doesn't mask the fact that the top notch center they desire is missing.

I really don't think the Ducks are "shopping" Ryan....just listening. Of course, that hits the press and/or rumor mill, and everyone thinks something HAS to happen. Ryan gets annoyed, shoots his mouth off, and the fire gets fueled.

Like all teams, "everyone" is tradeable. Ryan just seems to be the hot target now. But even Getzlaf's name is being thrown around. I just doubt that the source of the proposals is coming from inside the Ducks organization. And Bob Murray can't very well come out and say, "We aren't trading Ryan, (or Getzlaf, or whoever)", if there's even a small chance of it happening by some team overpaying. So the rumors continue to burn.

My guess is that Ryan will be in Anaheim, he'll be happy in Anaheim, (as he's always been), and they'll talk to him and/or his agent about growing up, and ignoring the trade rumors!

Like with a lot of other trade proposals, I think this one attempts to trade quantity for quality.

IF the Ducks move Ryan, I doubt they do it without a young, "can't miss", NHL ready center. Tossing in prospects, other positions, and draft picks, doesn't mask the fact that the top notch center they desire is missing.

I really don't think the Ducks are "shopping" Ryan....just listening. Of course, that hits the press and/or rumor mill, and everyone thinks something HAS to happen. Ryan gets annoyed, shoots his mouth off, and the fire gets fueled.

Like all teams, "everyone" is tradeable. Ryan just seems to be the hot target now. But even Getzlaf's name is being thrown around. I just doubt that the source of the proposals is coming from inside the Ducks organization. And Bob Murray can't very well come out and say, "We aren't trading Ryan, (or Getzlaf, or whoever)", if there's even a small chance of it happening by some team overpaying. So the rumors continue to burn.

My guess is that Ryan will be in Anaheim, he'll be happy in Anaheim, (as he's always been), and they'll talk to him and/or his agent about growing up, and ignoring the trade rumors!
- DuckNewbie

I see what your saying, but there is definetely quality coming your way from our side.

Sekera or Leopold could make your top defensive pairing depending on how your existing guys play. Both have a ton of experience and Sekera played with Lydman a lot in Buffalo. Stafford would likely contend for a second-line role with Smith-Pelley and Belesky.

Adam showed he can play on a high level in the NHL. He scored 11 points in 11 games when he was on a line with Pominville and Vanek.

I would probably be annoyed with my team too if every year for the past three years my name came up in trades. Theres a ton of interest in Ryan, and your rolling the dice by keeping him as well as by trading him. Even with losing Ryan you have 3 60-point scorers, two of which are only 27. Adress your other needs and dump the risk of having an unhappy player.

No

What do the Ducks folks think?

Leopold or Sekera, Stafford, Adam, Brennan -for- Ryan

Top- 4 D-Man, Decent sized PWF who can score, Center prospect with some NHL success, and a hard-working D-prospect with NHL experience.

Fills more of your needs than just replacing Ryan w/ Vanek. Adds skilled prospects to replace older players, improves defense, and replaces some of the scoring void of Ryan. Extra cap hit - 3 to 4 million

Salaries - 4mil, 3mil, 875,000, 550,000 - total: 8.425 mil
Vanek - 7.2 mil
Ryan - 5.1 mil
- rsj2588

That's the most I would do as Buffalo. I'm so sick of guy's saying there's no quality in Stafford. Like I said before he's far from my favorite player, but he's a 50 pt guy. He's pretty responsible defensively, play's special teams, he's an all around good player. I really don't think Ryan is worth a Stafford+++. Value wise, Stafford and Sekera. They lose 10-20 pts a year with Stafford and gain them back with Sekera. Plus, if you put Stafford with Getz and Perry, maybe he's a 30-35 goal scorer again like when he was on a line worth a crap. Maybe with Ennis and Foligno he scores 30. ( And I do realize Perry and Stafford are both rw.)

Agreed... keep him and send Getzlaf to the Leafs or some spare parts...
- SofaKingBored

I would take Getzlaf in Chicago. He looks like he needs a change of scenery. Ducks could probably get a good return for him since we are hurting for a 2C.

I would take Getzlaf in Chicago. He looks like he needs a change of scenery. Ducks could probably get a good return for him since we are hurting for a 2C.
- JRoenick97

that's what we're hurting for as well. Wouldn't make sense to trade our no. 1 center unless the return consists of toews/kane. Would be nice to have either or on our team though

I would take Getzlaf in Chicago. He looks like he needs a change of scenery. Ducks could probably get a good return for him since we are hurting for a 2C.
- JRoenick97

That would be like Chicago trading Toews to Anaheim. I would love that too. What I find interesting is that people trying to put together a package for Ryan always seem to add an NHL level defensmen, usually a top 4. While back at the draft this was a good idea, It no longer is. We added Both Allen and Souray. Currently we have Lydman on the 3rd pairing. Why would they want to add another mid level defensmen. Especially with the shadow of Lubo coming back. A defensive prospect may work but we have no need for that NHL defensmen anymore. I would rather move a prospect/picks package for a 2c than move Ryan.

Nobody's gonna get Ryan. They want to much and nobody's gonna give that much. He'll stay a Duck
- sabrescupbound

That is what we all thought about Ric Nash and he was traded for nothing.

Wrong. They got alot of young talent in their farm system unlike Calgary.
Etem/Palmieri/Holland/Lindholm/Vatanen/Friberg/Rakell etc.
Talk about Depth they got alot of players they can tryout on the 2nd/3rd lines with Etem/Palmieri/Holland/Friberg/Rakell/Maroon.
If one of them doesnt do well they got other guys they can call on to provide extra offense.
Blue line for once is an area of depth even without Schultz.
Players named Fowler and Sbisa looking pretty good for 2012-13.

The Blues going into 2011-12 were not coming off a season where they made the playoffs btw. Not to mention a goalie that played over his actual ability/talent level for them.
- Ducks2012

The Blues lost their top PP unit for over 1/2 the season in 10-11 & it showed. Armstong wanted to plug the holes in the roster (Svatos & Wellwood both signed & claimed off waivers from Europe/Russia). He didn't give into the ridiculous demands that GMs wanted in return for roster players. Yes, the Ducks have a lot of good prospects, but nobody whom you can realistically bank on for a playoff run. Yes, Fowler's a great young d'man with upside, but he's only 20.