Or waive him all I'm asking is for common sense.
- Bieksa#3

He's not going to command much from here. Keep him or look elsewhere. That's common sense from our angle. The number one farm system in the NHL doesn't NEED to move a stud to acquire a goaltender (good, yes) that is 33 yrs old. We're already ok/solid there. To also add, I found it amusing on our part here that Tallon was really serious about resigning Clemmensen, obviously I now doubt he's going anywhere in a trade he's really well liked and coveted here. A bit of a surprise. Solid and dependable, but a journeyman non-the-less. That added with Theodores NTC, that says a lot. If Tallon can make an extremely painless Luongo acquisition, maybe he'd change his train of thought regarding the goaltending position. But, I doubt he's giving up much, as we all continue to say.

How about this

to florida

Luongo, Hansen, 2nd rounder

To Van

Weiss and a 3rd


Lappy shifts to wing on third lineTanev


Sedin Sedin Burr
Blank Kesler Booth
Higgins Weiss Lappy
Kassian Malhotra Volpatti

Eddi garri
Hammy Bieksa
Bally tanev

Schneids
lack

with the extra make a push for doan 5 mill 4 years and he basically gets his cup
- The_Kuze

I don't think Weiss would go. He has verbally stated he wants to be here. However, if Huberdeau performs well and can be our #1 center, things may change. I love Weiss and hope he retires here.

He's not going to command much from here. Keep him or look elsewhere. That's common sense from our angle. The number one farm system in the NHL doesn't NEED to move a stud to acquire a goaltender (good, yes) that is 33 yrs old. We're already ok/solid there. To also add, I found it amusing on our part here that Tallon was really serious about resigning Clemmensen, obviously I now doubt he's going anywhere in a trade he's really well liked and coveted here. A bit of a surprise. Solid and dependable, but a journeyman non-the-less. That added with Theodores NTC, that says a lot. If Tallon can make an extremely painless Luongo acquisition, maybe he'd change his train of thought regarding the goaltending position. But, I doubt he's giving up much, as we all continue to say.
- PanthersGoal

then y both posting. Its like saying I'll give Pitts Ballard for Crosby
why in gods name would van take only a salary dump when they can waive him and be in better shape. If you don't want him fine.

I don't think Weiss would go. He has verbally stated he wants to be here. However, if Huberdeau performs well and can be our #1 center, things may change. I love Weiss and hope he retires here.
- Panthers88

Weiss is interesting. Wonder in a year or two, where that's gonna go...

He's not going to command much from here. Keep him or look elsewhere. That's common sense from our angle. The number one farm system in the NHL doesn't NEED to move a stud to acquire a goaltender (good, yes) that is 33 yrs old. We're already ok/solid there. To also add, I found it amusing on our part here that Tallon was really serious about resigning Clemmensen, obviously I now doubt he's going anywhere in a trade he's really well liked and coveted here. A bit of a surprise. Solid and dependable, but a journeyman non-the-less. That added with Theodores NTC, that says a lot. If Tallon can make an extremely painless Luongo acquisition, maybe he'd change his train of thought regarding the goaltending position. But, I doubt he's giving up much, as we all continue to say.
- PanthersGoal

Exactly. Theodore won't waive to go to Van. Clem isn't a fir in Vancouver. So if we trade for Luongo, we will have 7 goalies under contract?! Makes no sense. Unless Theodore can be convinced to waive, Clem get's traded to Toronto for whatever, and Markstrom backs up Luongo. That's the only way things are going to work. Trading for Luongo severely threatens our goaltending prospects. It isn't smart. Tallon is NOT Mike Keenan. He knows when to make a trade, and he knows when to not make one.

I don't think Weiss would go. He has verbally stated he wants to be here. However, if Huberdeau performs well and can be our #1 center, things may change. I love Weiss and hope he retires here.
- Panthers88

IMO the panthers may move Weiss. He's far old then all the young guys they intend to build around. Not saying they will but there is some sense to it.

Luongos contract isn't so,so Ian, it's awful. Only dipietros is worse
- Isles_since_6

I would add Bryzgalov... to that list.

Weiss is interesting. Wonder in a year or two, where that's gonna go...
- PanthersGoal

I hear they are already negotiating a new deal with him.

I think most people are also forgetting that Lou has already said the Leafs are not on his list of teams he would be willing to go to?
- Iggysbff

Show me where he said this...

IMO the panthers may move Weiss. He's far old then all the young guys they intend to build around. Not saying they will but there is some sense to it.
- Bieksa#3

I almost agree here. If they don't move him, they may make him the 2nd line center. Let Huberdeau move up and Mueller play wing.

Exactly. Theodore won't waive to go to Van. Clem isn't a fir in Vancouver. So if we trade for Luongo, we will have 7 goalies under contract?! Makes no sense. Unless Theodore can be convinced to waive, Clem get's traded to Toronto for whatever, and Markstrom backs up Luongo. That's the only way things are going to work. Trading for Luongo severely threatens our goaltending prospects. It isn't smart. Tallon is NOT Mike Keenan. He knows when to make a trade, and he knows when to not make one.
- Panthers88

Y isn't Clemmson a fit here?

then y both posting. Its like saying I'll give Pitts Ballard for Crosby
why in gods name would van take only a salary dump when they can waive him and be in better shape. If you don't want him fine.
- Bieksa#3

Well, it may come down to that huh? I know you all hate to hear this, and it's rarely stated, even here, BUT Luongo threw ALL of you under the bus with his "Florida" statement.

Well, it may come down to that huh? I know you all hate to hear this, and it's rarely stated, even here, BUT Luongo threw ALL of you under the bus with his "Florida" statement.
- PanthersGoal

Doesn't have a choice if he goes on waivers. Clb wants him and would take him. If he refuses he doesn't get paid. Like I said there may be a Kopecky coming back but an asset would clearly have to be included. Whether its McFarland or other prospects/players

I think the big reason chara is considered one of the best dmen is because of his size. Nobody wants to go into the corners against chara it's that mental edge that gives hIm the advantage. If he was say 6'1 210lbs not even close to the player he is now, hamuse (bad spell) is really comparable in stats only and by that formula you would say karlson is the best dman in the league, but there are far more then just points to consider

I think the big reason chara is considered one of the best dmen is because of his size. Nobody wants to go into the corners against chara it's that mental edge that gives hIm the advantage. If he was say 6'1 210lbs not even close to the player he is now, hamuse (bad spell) is really comparable in stats only and by that formula you would say karlson is the best dman in the league, but there are far more then just points to consider
- Sabres30

Totally true, but even then, things like hits, give aways and take aways do measure some of how that size gets utilized. There are a lot of big guys in the league that aren't effective hockey players. So trying to see how that size gets put to use and how it affects the play validates the comparison.

Bottom line: Chara is definitely a lot better than Hamhuis, but Hamhuis is very effective at some of the things that contribute to winning game, like Chara is.

Weiss is interesting. Wonder in a year or two, where he's gonna go...
- PanthersGoal

fixed

I get your point. But it is very clear you haven't thought it out very well or are a homer. If the only thing van gets is a salary dump and as you pros say they "have" to move him. Then y wouldn't we wave him and let clb have him and no bad contract. Not saying there will not be a contract coming back but you can't have it both ways. They are going to have to include an asset with the salary dump.
- Bieksa#3

You cant do that to a ntc, if you waive no one can take him, that's effectively a trade

I think the big reason chara is considered one of the best dmen is because of his size. Nobody wants to go into the corners against chara it's that mental edge that gives hIm the advantage. If he was say 6'1 210lbs not even close to the player he is now, hamuse (bad spell) is really comparable in stats only and by that formula you would say karlson is the best dman in the league, but there are far more then just points to consider
- Sabres30

I think the big reason chara is considered one of the best dmen is because of his size. Nobody wants to go into the corners against chara it's that mental edge that gives hIm the advantage. If he was say 6'1 210lbs not even close to the player he is now, hamuse (bad spell) is really comparable in stats only and by that formula you would say karlson is the best dman in the league, but there are far more then just points to consider
- Sabres30

Pretty sure most of Canada saw Lu play for Team Canada.
And most people are hockey fans, so they have seen him play...its silly to think that people base what they say about Lu based on what their friends tell them, lol
And Lu would be an upgrade on every team but 3? Yet you guys wanna trade the 4th best goalie (by your evaluation) in the NHL?
And I would say Montreal, Boston, Carolina, Minny, Buffalo arent getting an upgrade in net taking Lu
- BoBBeR56

So seeing Lu play for a two week period makes you an expert? BTW he is the goalie that won the Gold Medal and made that great save in OT.

Price and Ward will not be Canada's top goalie next olympic either so you may want to fix your list. Miller had a very long stretch last year that he was horrible and Lu did win the gold over him. Thomas is retired and I would take Lu over Rask or Backstrom,so we have a difference in opinion.

Well, it may come down to that huh? I know you all hate to hear this, and it's rarely stated, even here, BUT Luongo threw ALL of you under the bus with his "Florida" statement.
- PanthersGoal

Wow, it's a double Panther fan fiesta in here. The contention that Theodore is good enough is dubious. He had his best year in forever last year and you made the playoffs by the skin of your teeth. You division got better and your team got worse. Even if he repeats his last year, it may not be enough. I know you guys might be patient about the future, but Tallon has to generate income and keep the momentum of improvement. Playoffs are the goal adn Lu can help with that. Whether Bjugstad is a star in 3 years or not, Lu can help get the playoffs for the next 3-6 seasons. That makes the trade not unreasonable.

So seeing Lu play for a two week period makes you an expert? BTW he is the goalie that won the Gold Medal and made that great save in OT.

Price and Ward will not be Canada's top goalie next olympic either so you may want to fix your list. Miller had a very long stretch last year that he was horrible and Lu did win the gold over him. Thomas is retired and I would take Lu over Rask or Backstrom,so we have a difference in opinion.
- VANTEL

long bad stretch= major concussion

- pker2theend

Sabres are going to be UNSTOPPABLE this year.

It's not that people outside Vancouver feel Luongo is a bad goalie, but they question is he really worth an extremely high asking price considering the following 2 factors:

1. Luo's contract is monstrously long and with the uncertainty of the next CBA why take a the risk of not being able to unload him (granted this may change with a new CBA; and

2. Gillis is dealing from a very weak position, every other GM knows he has to trade Luongo and that Luongo wants out.

So based on these to items why would any GM give top prospects and picks for Luongo? I personally think Luongo is a great goalie, but he hasn't won the Vezina or a Stanley Cup and you don't pay top dollar for a 33 year old goalie who hasn't won anything (but I personally don't blame him 100% for that).

If you think Luongo is a stellar goalie that teams would be crazy to not trade for then why doesn't Gillis keep him and trade Schneider instead?
- DarthKane

What weak position would that be? The fact that we have two strong goalies and your team has none. Absolutley horrible position to be in

Most do want LU, you want full value, we can't afford full value, we fleeced ourselves for Kessel and Burkie may have be having a hard time pulling a trade off here.

IMO Luongo is/has been one of my favourite goalies in the league, When im not passed out sat night im watching the late games. He is gonna cost alot we dont really have much, so if we give the little up we do have we effectivly negate the positives that lu brings and were no better off.

catch 22 sad but true.
- MindFr3eak

That is not Canucks problem.