Hockeyy Insiderr‏@HockeyyInsiderr

More on Doan: hearing from very well plugged source in VANCity Shane has met #Canucks officials over the weekend. An offer is on the table.

Also Rumour_Express is reporting Canucks are the Frontrunners for doan.

A couple of random doods, Interesting nonetheless.
- vancity787

Do you have the cap space at 6-7+ if he is going to leave Phoenix and want to go to Van and he truly is looking for that kind of money?

Do you have the cap space at 6-7+ if he is going to leave Phoenix and want to go to Van and he truly is looking for that kind of money?
- MindFr3eak

Sure, Ballard and Raymond to TO for Reilly and a 1st

See I think SJ. They are desprete to shake up that team.
To sharks: luongo and Booth
To canucks Clowe and Murrey
Sharks move Neimi back to chi
- Bieksa#3

What's left on Niemi's contract? short term I would think about Sj shipping him to Tor....short term only thou

I don't see how we have gotten worse we loss garrison we gained huberdeau! If mueller can stay health that's a huge gain. Kuba is a good replacement for garrison.
Yes our division got better. But you tell me where we got weaker.
- Crazycaboose

Lost Garrison and Samuelsson. Huberdeau may be a stud in years to come, but right now he's a 19 year old who apparently weighs 171 pounds. I don't think he's an defensive upgrade replacement for virtually any veteran NHL player, let alone a guy who put up big points and big minutes last year. Kuba is obviously closer, it's doubtful most would consider him equal to Garrison and he's no upgrade.

Samuelsson had a pretty solid year last year. Mueller is a good gamble for the money, but he's no sure thing.

I'd call it a step back when the players who made a difference are replaced with lesser versions, rookies and risks.

Sure, Ballard and Raymond to TO for Reilly and a 1st
- 1970vintage

Throw in GM place and you have a deal

What's left on Niemi's contract? short term I would think about Sj shipping him to Tor....short term only thou
- MindFr3eak

I was thinking Neimi and 3rd/2nd for Hjallmersson and Stalberg

Hawks get a guy the know and believe in at a good cap hit. Stalberg and hammer have both fallen out of favor with the hawks
I believe neimi has 2 yrs at 3.8 per left. I don't know what leafs could offer Kulemin and Colbourne?

Throw in GM place and you have a deal

- MindFr3eak

Done!

*sneaks away knowing that GM place does not exist*

Throw in GM place and you have a deal

- MindFr3eak

Done. Where ever GM place is the leafs can have it. We can continue to play at Rogers arena

Hamhuis is a number 3 d-man. Comparing him to a stud like Chara shows how much of a homer you are. They had a number 2 d-man, but let Erhoff go to Buffalo. They have no number 1. Great trade of Hodgson btw. Gilis proves he must be the most overrated gm in NHL history. Takes over a Burke and Nonis team, and he is ruining them with bad trades. Consider that the Nucks played 5 more games than the Leafs this past season All the core pieces were in place for him, and he can't lead them to the cup.

Hamhuis is a number 3 d-man. Comparing him to a stud like Chara shows how much of a homer you are. They had a number 2 d-man, but let Erhoff go to Buffalo. They have no number 1. Great trade of Hodgson btw. Gilis proves he must be the most overrated gm in NHL history. Takes over a Burke and Nonis team, and he is ruining them with bad trades. Consider that the Nucks played 5 more games than the Leafs this past season All the core pieces were in place for him, and he can't lead them to the cup.
- Allstarzz

Wow, just wow. I'm pretty sure even your Leaf fan brethren don't agree with you here.

Hamhuis is a number 3 d-man. Comparing him to a stud like Chara shows how much of a homer you are. They had a number 2 d-man, but let Erhoff go to Buffalo. They have no number 1. Great trade of Hodgson btw. Gilis proves he must be the most overrated gm in NHL history. Takes over a Burke and Nonis team, and he is ruining them with bad trades. Consider that the Nucks played 5 more games than the Leafs this past season All the core pieces were in place for him, and he can't lead them to the cup.
- Allstarzz

I'm sorry but Hamhuis is way better the Ehrhoff. I think Hamhuis is a #2, but Ehrhoff isn't close to a 2. He was clearly behind Edler, Hamhuis and Bieksa. Not even close. Ehrhoff is a good pp QB. Nothing more.

Hockeyy Insiderr‏@HockeyyInsiderr

More on Doan: hearing from very well plugged source in VANCity Shane has met #Canucks officials over the weekend. An offer is on the table.

Also Rumour_Express is reporting Canucks are the Frontrunners for doan.

A couple of random doods, Interesting nonetheless.
- vancity787

If by "random doods" you mean "asshats with no credibility whatsoever", then great.

Please stop posting these fantastic insiderr tidbits. We already have Ek.

If by "random doods" you mean "asshats with no credibility whatsoever", then great.

Please stop posting these fantastic insiderr tidbits. We already have Ek.
- Atomic Wedgie

Lost Garrison and Samuelsson. Huberdeau may be a stud in years to come, but right now he's a 19 year old who apparently weighs 171 pounds. I don't think he's an defensive upgrade replacement for virtually any veteran NHL player, let alone a guy who put up big points and big minutes last year. Kuba is obviously closer, it's doubtful most would consider him equal to Garrison and he's no upgrade.

Samuelsson had a pretty solid year last year. Mueller is a good gamble for the money, but he's no sure thing.

I'd call it a step back when the players who made a difference are replaced with lesser versions, rookies and risks.
- micah555

You see that's the best part no one and I mean no one has any idea how garrison or Kuba will do. Samuelson was nice to have but he just on the team to dump booths salary. So it will really depend on if huberdeau can do what everyone believes he can do so who knows. But I would hardy say we have gotten worse thou.

Hamhuis is a number 3 d-man. Comparing him to a stud like Chara shows how much of a homer you are. They had a number 2 d-man, but let Erhoff go to Buffalo. They have no number 1. Great trade of Hodgson btw. Gilis proves he must be the most overrated gm in NHL history. Takes over a Burke and Nonis team, and he is ruining them with bad trades. Consider that the Nucks played 5 more games than the Leafs this past season All the core pieces were in place for him, and he can't lead them to the cup.
- Allstarzz

How many Leafs playoff games have you watched in HD?

How many Leafs playoff games have you watched in HD?
- hertzman

Done!

*sneaks away knowing that GM place does not exist*
- 1970vintage

Bah!!!!!!!!! It will always be GM PLACE

Done. Where ever GM place is the leafs can have it. We can continue to play at Rogers arena
- Bieksa#3

Rogers Arena eh.....deals off rogers owns us therefore we own it already....moving along

How many Leafs playoff games have you watched in HD?
- hertzman

Rogers Arena eh.....deals off rogers owns us therefore we own it already....moving along
- MindFr3eak

Could you imagine if Roger's telecom required all of their sponsored organizations to display (predominantly) some new TML cell phone or something?

Could you imagine if Roger's telecom required all of their sponsored organizations to display (predominantly) some new TML cell phone or something?
- 1970vintage

Even I would be sick!!!!

Hockeyy Insiderr‏@HockeyyInsiderr

More on Doan: hearing from very well plugged source in VANCity Shane has met #Canucks officials over the weekend. An offer is on the table.

Also Rumour_Express is reporting Canucks are the Frontrunners for doan.

A couple of random doods, Interesting nonetheless.
- vancity787

Blazers had their alumni golf tourney this past weekend all were there except for Iginla I can confirm, Doan was in BC for sure. He was in kamloops for sure, but I don't know one way or the other if he met with the Nucks/management or was even in van...but the timing may make sense...

Reading the argument that Ian has made in his blog, I believe that he is failing to take into consideration all of the facts, that are available for everyone to see, when arguing that Toronto and others are unwilling to pay what he conceptualizes is fair value for Luongo.
To start I will say that Luongo ranked 12th in the league in save percentage actually he was tied with two others so I could also say 14th. I think it is worth considering that he played on one of the best teams while obtaining these numbers, a very good defensive team. A team so good that we see that another goalie on this team outperform Luongo, .937 to .919, in save percentage, good for second in the league in 2011/2012 according to NHL.com. So, Luongo has middle of the league stats, playing on a team that allows a lesser known talent to rank 2nd in the league.

In addition, his contract, basically pays him 6.7 million a year until he retires. I know the cap hit is less, but Luongo is 33 now and signed for 10 more years at a cap hit higher than 5 million. He is signed past 40 years old which means that if he retires you will still have cap implications, and if he decides not to retire the buyout would immensely penalize the team that trades for him.

So, in addition to:
1. having to pay a salary that is higher than the cap hit, what will amount to the third highest goalie salary in the NHL next year, for a goalie who only has average stats on a great team.
2. taking on a contract that was signed for a much longer term than most teams would consider signing someone in the 30's.
3. trading for a player who has a shaky history of performing under pressure(whether or not you argue that he was hung out to dry by team mates or not, the history is there)
4. taking a chance on a goalie who is statistically closer to the 38th ranked goalie in the league than the 2nd(his own teammate)

In addition to all of the risk and long term commitment that a club has to take on for a goalie whose stats over the last few years are easily replaceable, and in no way elite, In addition to all that, the team that trades for him has to overpay too?

Here is a newsflash! Luongo only has a career 9.19 save percentage Niemi has a .915 and everyone says he is terrible. Vancouver's Mgmt signed Luongo for way too long a term which detracted from any future trade value. IT WAS A MISTAKE! If Luongo were signed for only three more years, there would probably be teams willing to overpay on the chance he might regain a form that he once demonstrated earlier in his career. Even though anyone not a fan of your team, but pragmatically thinking, would assert that Luongo's statistics have been dramatically improved because of the talent of the team he was playing on.

IMO you are going to have to ask a lot less, and maybe take on a bad contract from another team in order to move him.

Maybe the reason fans from other teams undervalue Luongo in the opinion of many of those in your fanbase is because all fans are naturally homers. They love their team and their players, while the rest of the league sees things without emotion invovled.

Could you imagine if Roger's telecom required all of their sponsored organizations to display (predominantly) some new TML cell phone or something?
- 1970vintage

Read this article a few years backin the sportsnet forums, a guy was reading this book (cant remember it) but it was about sponsorship and corporate buying teams

Anyways in the future of sports it would be more like the gillette blue jays and the
coca-cola canucks, that kinda thing....

Funny I scoffed it then but not so much anymore looking forward

Reading the argument that Ian has made in his blog, I believe that he is failing to take into consideration all of the facts, that are available for everyone to see, when arguing that Toronto and others are unwilling to pay what he conceptualizes is fair value for Luongo.
To start I will say that Luongo ranked 12th in the league in save percentage actually he was tied with two others so I could also say 14th. I think it is worth considering that he played on one of the best teams while obtaining these numbers, a very good defensive team. A team so good that we see that another goalie on this team outperform Luongo, .937 to .919, in save percentage, good for second in the league in 2011/2012 according to NHL.com. So, Luongo has middle of the league stats, playing on a team that allows a lesser known talent to rank 2nd in the league.

In addition, his contract, basically pays him 6.7 million a year until he retires. I know the cap hit is less, but Luongo is 33 now and signed for 10 more years at a cap hit higher than 5 million. He is signed past 40 years old which means that if he retires you will still have cap implications, and if he decides not to retire the buyout would immensely penalize the team that trades for him.

So, in addition to:
1. having to pay a salary that is higher than the cap hit, what will amount to the third highest goalie salary in the NHL next year, for a goalie who only has average stats on a great team.
2. taking on a contract that was signed for a much longer term than most teams would consider signing someone in the 30's.
3. trading for a player who has a shaky history of performing under pressure(whether or not you argue that he was hung out to dry by team mates or not, the history is there)
4. taking a chance on a goalie who is statistically closer to the 38th ranked goalie in the league than the 2nd(his own teammate)

In addition to all of the risk and long term commitment that a club has to take on for a goalie whose stats over the last few years are easily replaceable, and in no way elite, In addition to all that, the team that trades for him has to overpay too?

Here is a newsflash! Luongo only has a career 9.19 save percentage Niemi has a .915 and everyone says he is terrible. Vancouver's Mgmt signed Luongo for way too long a term which detracted from any future trade value. IT WAS A MISTAKE! If Luongo were signed for only three more years, there would probably be teams willing to overpay on the chance he might regain a form that he once demonstrated earlier in his career. Even though anyone not a fan of your team, but pragmatically thinking, would assert that Luongo's statistics have been dramatically improved because of the talent of the team he was playing on.

IMO you are going to have to ask a lot less, and maybe take on a bad contract from another team in order to move him.

Maybe the reason fans from other teams undervalue Luongo in the opinion of many of those in your fanbase is because all fans are naturally homers. They love their team and their players, while the rest of the league sees things without emotion invovled.
- Sabretooter

Duck And Cover!!!!