Honestly you might be right he could very well accept a role in Columbus rather than none. But the point is his deal doesn't seem to be coming I know Gillis is desperately trying to save face and make it look like a hockey trade, as he should, but it's not happening.

I'd rather give up Luo for minimal return then start the season with that cloud over head. Perhaps it's worth the wait to see if someone bites but why not move him for a pick and concentrate on having the best season possible. Espcially if waivers is a possible end result.
- Blazed

Source please?

Most times Gillis is away fishing on vacation or dealing with other things . In his interviews he even comes out and defends the fact that Vancouver have two excellent goalies and he is fine with starting the year like that. No offense but I believe him more than your theory.

If a team comes to their senses and realize they need a goalie then Lu will get dealt ,otherwise we have a good 1 and 1A

Howson has stated he still wants him. As have Talon and Burke. Accoarding to NHL beat NY I, and lot have interest as well. But hey, as you said your a leaf fan. Everybody falls into their lap. Everybody wants to play there and every team wants to help them out.
- Bieksa#3

I want nothing to do with Luo as do most Leafs fans. Burke wants him for short term results to save his ass, which ironically enough would make me more likely to call for his head.

Source please?

Most times Gillis is away fishing on vacation or dealing with other things . In his interviews he even comes out and defends the fact that Vancouver have two excellent goalies and he is fine with starting the year like that. No offense but I believe him more than your theory.

If a team comes to their senses and realize they need a goalie then Lu will get dealt ,otherwise we have a good 1 and 1A
- VANTEL

It's called posturing. If Gillis can't make a deal 20 games in then Luos stock will gradually plummet.

Vancouver should cut and run IMO. Gillis is trying to get fair value for Luongo and that will never happen. The fact is that you have another guy who you'd rather have in net, and you don't need the distraction, means you should get what you can for him, free up the cap space and move on. There is no harm in waiting a little to try to leverage your negotiating power. But it is starting to look like you will start the season still dealing with this mess, and that is a distraction in the locker room.

Vancouver has more talent than arguably any other team in the league. If Luongo isn't going to be the starter, doesn't it make sense to use that asset to acquire a skater that will help you every night? Vancouver does not have to win this trade, they are already better than almost everyone else.

Holding onto Luongo won't hurt your season standings much, but wouldn't you rather get the new pieces in place now, so that they have time to get adjusted to the team the city and have a training camp with the team. IMO this would allow them a better chance of success and would put them in a position to better contribute come the playoffs.

How does such a bad GM build such a great team?
- Sabretooter

Bad decision. How many GMs are offering up top 15 goalies for salary dumps. I don't mean to be disrespectful but us fans know poop.

Vancouver should cut and run IMO. Gillis is trying to get fair value for Luongo and that will never happen. The fact is that you have another guy who you'd rather have in net, and you don't need the distraction, means you should get what you can for him, free up the cap space and move on. There is no harm in waiting a little to try to leverage your negotiating power. But it is starting to look like you will start the season still dealing with this mess, and that is a distraction in the locker room.

Vancouver has more talent than arguably any other team in the league. If Luongo isn't going to be the starter, doesn't it make sense to use that asset to acquire a skater that will help you every night? Vancouver does not have to win this trade, they are already better than almost everyone else.

Holding onto Luongo won't hurt your season standings much, but wouldn't you rather get the new pieces in place now, so that they have time to get adjusted to the team the city and have a training camp with the team. IMO this would allow them a better chance of success and would put them in a position to better contribute come the playoffs.

How does such a bad GM build such a great team?
- Sabretooter

the core of the team was built by none other than Leafs management combo Burke/Nonis.

It's called posturing. If Gillis can't make a deal 20 games in then Luos stock will gradually plummet.
- Blazed

Did you read this on tsn, in the article that stated luongo has a nmc

It's called posturing. If Gillis can't make a deal 20 games in then Luos stock will gradually plummet.
- Blazed

Sorry I think his public opinion is at rock bottom and can only rise.

Doug Maclean said he knows Gillis and MG is a very stubborn guy. He said he won't budge and I believe him . You have to remember Gillis single handedly took down Eagleson.He is a very stubborn person.

Sorry I think his public opinion is at rock bottom and can only rise.
- VANTEL

Public opinion is that he is a starter still. What happens when he is a back up? Trust me it can go lower. If Gillis won't move him you had better pray he pushes Schneider to the back up role still.

Source please?

Most times Gillis is away fishing on vacation or dealing with other things . In his interviews he even comes out and defends the fact that Vancouver have two excellent goalies and he is fine with starting the year like that. No offense but I believe him more than your theory.

If a team comes to their senses and realize they need a goalie then Lu will get dealt ,otherwise we have a good 1 and 1A
- VANTEL

The problem with what you say is that Lou himself has said he is done. Gillis can say he is willing to come in with both goalies, but it cant happen. I also dont think Burke wants him. Its Nonis and the other Leaf management that want him. Florida isnt going to happen because Theodore has arlready said he wont waive his NTC.

Gillis is going to have to move him and it will probably not look good from the Nucks standpoint.

Its like Heatley. They have no choice but to move him, and have a very limited market due to the approved list.

Public opinion is that he is a starter still. What happens when he is a back up? Trust me it can go lower. If Gillis won't move him you had better pray he pushes Schneider to the back up role still.
- Blazed

We had a 4.2 Dman sit in the pressbox for half a year do you think Gillis cares if he has the best back up in the NHL

Did you read this on tsn, in the article that stated luongo has a nmc
- Bieksa#3

www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=399555

Pretty simple mistake to make. Is hardly a reflection of my intelligence unlike the drivel you respond with. Fortunately some of your fellow posters have tried to defend their respective positions more astutely.

The problem with what you say is that Lou himself has said he is done. Gillis can say he is willing to come in with both goalies, but it cant happen. I also dont think Burke wants him. Its Nonis and the other Leaf management that want him. Florida isnt going to happen because Theodore has arlready said he wont waive his NTC.

Gillis is going to have to move him and it will probably not look good from the Nucks standpoint.

Its like Heatley. They have no choice but to move him, and have a very limited market due to the approved list.
- Iggysbff

When did Lu become GM of the Canucks . I missed that. Lu can shut up and play.

the core of the team was built by none other than Leafs management combo Burke/Nonis.
- Blazed

Although when Burke was running the team they almost made the playoffs ad much as they missed it He got lucky that Keenan gothimm the peices to make that trade and look like a hero...We don't owe Burke sh!t

Vancouver should cut and run IMO. Gillis is trying to get fair value for Luongo and that will never happen. The fact is that you have another guy who you'd rather have in net, and you don't need the distraction, means you should get what you can for him, free up the cap space and move on. There is no harm in waiting a little to try to leverage your negotiating power. But it is starting to look like you will start the season still dealing with this mess, and that is a distraction in the locker room.

Vancouver has more talent than arguably any other team in the league. If Luongo isn't going to be the starter, doesn't it make sense to use that asset to acquire a skater that will help you every night? Vancouver does not have to win this trade, they are already better than almost everyone else.

Holding onto Luongo won't hurt your season standings much, but wouldn't you rather get the new pieces in place now, so that they have time to get adjusted to the team the city and have a training camp with the team. IMO this would allow them a better chance of success and would put them in a position to better contribute come the playoffs.

How does such a bad GM build such a great team?
- Sabretooter

He had a good start inheriting the team from Nonis/Burke. He's made some decent moves, but has mainly just kept things status quo, re-signing players while adding a few pieces here and there. He's picked up decent pieces, but those moves were more just filling holes than truly bringing in the proper players to address team weaknesses. I think he has yet to make a big move that makes this team truly his team, even though he has done a decent job as GM.

One of the things I was looking at is how Canucks spend their money. As fans although we are not experts we are not bind also.

Daniel and Kesler have 6 % of the votes combined while Burrows has 6 % by himself. Daniel and Kesler have a combined 11 mil in salary while AB eats up 2 mil.

Add in Booths 4.2 and Ballards 4.2 that is close to 20 mil .

I am not arguing that Hanks value is worth 6.1 mil but I think we overpaid Daniel.
- VANTEL

We overpaid Daniel? One of the dumbest things I've ever seen. He won the (frank)ing scoring title last year.

Bad decision. How many GMs are offering up top 15 goalies for salary dumps. I don't mean to be disrespectful but us fans know poop.
- VANTEL

The problem is that Luongo is getting progressively worse and is signed at a super high cap hit for a very long time. No one wants to add that problem to their team. And the few who are so desperate that they are willing to entertain it, you try to fleece as if the $ had nothing to do with it.

This isn't a fantasy draft, there are cap implications and an actual market of supply and demand. You guys will look silly next year in the playoffs when you are having the goalie debate again because you weren't willing to jump on one of the few AND DIMINISHING chances to move this guy.

Do you think Luongos value will increase with him riding the pine? What will happen to his value if he only plays backup and underperforms in that role? Will a team be as willing to trade for a goalie sitting on the bench for a year? You act like it is no big deal for a team to add a 7+M$ Goalie, even when he isn't good enough to start on his own team, has had nightmare playoff performances, and is continuing to atrophy in ability.

How will you feel when you are paying the cap penalties for a buyout which is what will inevitably have to occur when the window closes on this. Or will you argue that you can play Luongo to keep his value high. And to that I will say that you would be starting your second best goalie in order to protect your pride and the fact that you were too stubborn to do what is right and reasonable at the time it needed to be done.

Face the facts, his contract(lenght and amount) + his stats + his history of choking = not as much as you think you should get.

He had a good start inheriting the team from Nonis/Burke. He's made some decent moves, but has mainly just kept things status quo, re-signing players while adding a few pieces here and there. He's picked up decent pieces, but those moves were more just filling holes than truly bringing in the proper players to address team weaknesses. I think he has yet to make a big move that makes this team truly his team, even though he has done a decent job as GM.
- 13sundin13

thank you, well said

Although when Burke was running the team they almost made the playoffs ad much as they missed it He got lucky that Keenan gothimm the peices to make that trade and look like a hero...We don't owe Burke sh!t
- I-own_da-Northwest

I think you you honestly go abck and look at where the team was before Burke and where it was after, it's really hard to deny that he changed the team for the better.

I think you you honestly go abck and look at where the team was before Burke and where it was after, it's really hard to deny that he changed the team for the better.
- 13sundin13

Not saying your wrong but.....
Bure
Mogilny
Linden
Messier
Russ Court all

That and the fact that it seems that even Van fans have woken up to the fact that Kesler is a tool. Thats why you see fans using him all the time in trade proposals now.
- Iggysbff

As usual, you're way off track (what else should be expected?). Aside from his "tool"-ish aspect, Kesler is an elite player and one of the best defensive players in the NHL. He's not getting votes for one simple (even you could understand it -- if you try) reason: he had a crappy year last season. So, by your 'reasoning', Gagner and Hemsky are "tools" too, right? Grow up -- or at least be realistic when you comment.

I think you should honestly go back and look at where the leafs were before Burke and where they are now, it's really hard to argue that he changed the team for the better.
- 13sundin13

Fixed

While MVP maybe isn't the word, Higgins was great as well. Made every line he played on go. But I agree with earlier posts that our goaltending was our best asset
- Bieksa#3

Unsung hero. Exactly what I was thinking. Higgins played his ass off

Really nice counter arguement from such a bright guy. Riddle me this then if my last paragraph is untrue how much do you think Luo would be worth at his cap hit if he only had 2 years left on his deal???

You're pretty sharp eh.
- Blazed

Specious argument there.

1. Luongo is not "valueless" in any way like you state.

2. A 5.3 cap hit for an elite goalie does not make a bad contract -- in fact, it's excellent value. The tough part is the term. However, most hockey people doubt he will play the whole term -- likely 6 years max. So the term probably lowers value, but not to the ridiculous "valueless" that you stated.

I voted Henrik. He stayed healthy and carried this team to another title. For parts of the season we were a one line team with the Kesler injury and non productive season and then the CoHo trade later...

Hammer was my second choice followed by Higgins who played the utility player to perfection for most of the season.

Whatchya talkin bout, Sedins are as tough as warm margarine
- I-own_da-Northwest

They are very tough: to take all the abuse they get and rarely miss games.