Twins are a package deal. Where else could we get their points for the same combined cap hit.

I agree that Ballard and Booth hurt us cap wise vs productivity. I am hoping Booth finds his groove, or it could hurt us. If Ballard is used properly his cap is not so bad, but that will not happen under AV.

I have more issues with Booth and Ballards 8.4 cap hit than Hank and Dank's 12.2
- immature_male

I don't have a problem with Hanks and really not too much with Daniel .I think Danny is overpaid by 1 mil. I liked what I seen at the end of the year with both of them. It was the first time IMO they showed me the true leadership.

Nonsense. Toronto fans have their finger on the pulse—they know exactly what other GMs are willing to pay/not pay for Lou, which is why the Canucks should take Komi and a 3rd, and just be thankful they are getting rid of that albatross 12 year contract.
- Fosco

The offers of Komi and a 3rd or Scottie U. Straight up are pathetically stupid. If its a salary dump plus assets its fine. If van could only get a bad contract and "must" move him as the trolls say, why wouldn't they waive him and let clb have him. But the leafs fans can't get that through their skulls

The offers of Komi and a 3rd or Scottie U. Straight up are pathetically stupid. If its a salary dump plus assets its fine. If van could only get a bad contract and "must" move him as the trolls say, why wouldn't they waive him and let clb have him. But the leafs fans can't get that through their skulls
- Bieksa#3

Sorry B3 we don't need a salary dump. We have enough bad contracts. I don't mind if we have a top 3 goalie tandem going into next year. Lu is under contract and his best bet is to shut up and play until another team sees his value. I have no problems with a solid 1,2 goalie combo.

Sorry B3 we don't need a salary dump. We have enough bad contracts. I don't mind if we have a top 3 goalie tandem going into next year. Lu is under contract and his best bet is to shut up and play until another team sees his value. I have no problems with a solid 1,2 goalie combo.
- VANTEL

That wasn't my point. Everybody has their opinion about what is acceptable. But from a common sense standpoint, why in the world would we accept a only a weak player with a bad contract when it clearly would be better to waive Lu if we "have" to move him

That wasn't my point. Everybody has their opinion about what is acceptable. But from a common sense standpoint, why in the world would we accept a only a weak player with a bad contract when it clearly would be better to waive Lu if we "have" to move him
- Bieksa#3

I seen that you were ripping into other fans too for their lack of common sense. I was just adding I wouldn't want a dececent offer combined with a salary dump. There is no need to take back a salary dump. Let that team start the season and see goals going in from center ice and they will come with decent offers. I think Luongo is going to have his best season ever and give a big fook yu too everyone.

I get the fact that many Canuck fans are upset about Kesler an his diving and chirping but the fact of the matter is when he is healthy and stops all the crap he is the kind of player that will win Vancouver their 1st Cup. Not the Sedins unless they toughen up. I truly hope he comes back healthy and stops all the sh!t and just plays his game to make all those who want him gone shut the F up. Honestly if we have something to be embarrassed about more than the diving, which many players do, is a player who bites and pulls hair...sorry.

I get the fact that many Canuck fans are upset about Kesler an his diving and chirping but the fact of the matter is when he is healthy and stops all the crap he is the kind of player that will win Vancouver their 1st Cup. Not the Sedins unless they toughen up. I truly hope he comes back healthy and stops all the sh!t and just plays his game to make all those who want him gone shut the F up. Honestly if we have something to be embarrassed about more than the diving, which many players do, is a player who bites and pulls hair...sorry.
- CanUSA17

Whatchya talkin bout, Sedins are as tough as warm margarine

Ok I am a Leaf fan born and raised living in BC so dont just autodub me a hater. As for Lou I think there's some craziness on both sides and at this point his value is so low.

To you Van fans I don't understand your counter arguments. No he can not be waived courtesy of the NMC he was given, so scratch Columbus out.

Chicago at best merely kicked the tires. The fans in CHI won't accept their bitter rivals cast off the hate is too strong.

As for Toronto while I'm sure Burke has interest the majority of fans have more than just moved on, they would hate to trade for Luo. Say all you want about Luo still having the talent to get the Leafs into the playoffs and you're probably right. However this team is still years away from Cup contention at which point Luo is a burden not a benefit. Long term Luo is a terrible choice for TO.

That essentially leaves only Florida, who made the playoffs with the tending they have and blue chip prospect Markstrom waiting in the wings. Interest is mild at best.

At this point the best bet is to try to accept any soft deal even a 3rd would be fine to just move forward with the club and let Schneider and Lack take over.

I don't understand the logic behind those who say fine well keep him for another year and have the leagues best tandem. Well that may be true but if you're willing to do so then realize you have Luo for life then. If no one will take him now with his last season as a starter why on earth does anyone think his value will go up as a backup???

He will be stuck on Van and it will be a constant distraction, why give him away (not for a cap dump just very cheap) and move forward. If anything this is the first of the retirement contracts to bite a GM in the ass and easily a sign of things to come.

You took a premier goalie who in theory should net you a fantastic haul and made him valueless with a silly contract. A sign of things to come perhaps.

Ok I am a Leaf fan born and raised living in BC so dont just autodub me a hater. As for Lou I think there's some craziness on both sides and at this point his value is so low.

To you Van fans I don't understand your counter arguments. No he can not be waived courtesy of the NMC he was given, so scratch Columbus out.

Chicago at best merely kicked the tires. The fans in CHI won't accept their bitter rivals cast off the hate is too strong.

As for Toronto while I'm sure Burke has interest the majority of fans have more than just moved on, they would hate to trade for Luo. Say all you want about Luo still having the talent to get the Leafs into the playoffs and you're probably right. However this team is still years away from Cup contention at which point Luo is a burden not a benefit. Long term Luo is a terrible choice for TO.

That essentially leaves only Florida, who made the playoffs with the tending they have and blue chip prospect Markstrom waiting in the wings. Interest is mild at best.

At this point the best bet is to try to accept any soft deal even a 3rd would be fine to just move forward with the club and let Schneider and Lack take over.

I don't understand the logic behind those who say fine well keep him for another year and have the leagues best tandem. Well that may be true but if you're willing to do so then realize you have Luo for life then. If no one will take him now with his last season as a starter why on earth does anyone think his value will go up as a backup???

He will be stuck on Van and it will be a constant distraction, why give him away (not for a cap dump just very cheap) and move forward. If anything this is the first of the retirement contracts to bite a GM in the ass and easily a sign of things to come.

You took a premier goalie who in theory should net you a fantastic haul and made him valueless with a silly contract. A sign of things to come perhaps.
- Blazed

Luongo has a ntc clause not a nmc. Thus he can be waived. Check your facts before you post

Ok I am a Leaf fan born and raised living in BC so dont just autodub me a hater. As for Lou I think there's some craziness on both sides and at this point his value is so low.

To you Van fans I don't understand your counter arguments. No he can not be waived courtesy of the NMC he was given, so scratch Columbus out.

Chicago at best merely kicked the tires. The fans in CHI won't accept their bitter rivals cast off the hate is too strong.

As for Toronto while I'm sure Burke has interest the majority of fans have more than just moved on, they would hate to trade for Luo. Say all you want about Luo still having the talent to get the Leafs into the playoffs and you're probably right. However this team is still years away from Cup contention at which point Luo is a burden not a benefit. Long term Luo is a terrible choice for TO.

That essentially leaves only Florida, who made the playoffs with the tending they have and blue chip prospect Markstrom waiting in the wings. Interest is mild at best.

At this point the best bet is to try to accept any soft deal even a 3rd would be fine to just move forward with the club and let Schneider and Lack take over.

I don't understand the logic behind those who say fine well keep him for another year and have the leagues best tandem. Well that may be true but if you're willing to do so then realize you have Luo for life then. If no one will take him now with his last season as a starter why on earth does anyone think his value will go up as a backup???

He will be stuck on Van and it will be a constant distraction, why give him away (not for a cap dump just very cheap) and move forward. If anything this is the first of the retirement contracts to bite a GM in the ass and easily a sign of things to come.

You took a premier goalie who in theory should net you a fantastic haul and made him valueless with a silly contract. A sign of things to come perhaps.
- Blazed

Lu has a NTC not NMC

Why does he have to be moved he is under contract? Who is he going to distract?
Lu knows how to read. He has seen the press clippings of his value being a bag of pucks. He gets along with the teammates and understands that his best ticket out is shut up and prove everyone wrong.

TB SJ will be two more teams joining the Luongo sweeps once the season starts. You can only mask bad goaltending for so long.

If it was essential to be moved he would be gone by now. As much as fans like to play GM Gillis has a plan and probably some offers he will attend to once the Doan situation is dealt with.

I get the fact that many Canuck fans are upset about Kesler an his diving and chirping but the fact of the matter is when he is healthy and stops all the crap he is the kind of player that will win Vancouver their 1st Cup. Not the Sedins unless they toughen up. I truly hope he comes back healthy and stops all the sh!t and just plays his game to make all those who want him gone shut the F up. Honestly if we have something to be embarrassed about more than the diving, which many players do, is a player who bites and pulls hair...sorry.
- CanUSA17

Not tring to troll here but what you said is very true and speaks VOLUMES about what is wrong with the Nucks. They have a lot of talent. I for one like the Sedins. Their game is finesse, not grit. Great goaltending. The problem is CHARACTER! When you argue which is worse, the diving, the chirping, the biting or the hairpulling, then you know there is a problem.

Lu has a NTC not NMC

Why does he have to be moved he is under contract? Who is he going to distract?
Lu knows how to read. He has seen the press clippings of his value being a bag of pucks. He gets along with the teammates and understands that his best ticket out is shut up and prove everyone wrong.

TB SJ will be two more teams joining the Luongo sweeps once the season starts. You can only mask bad goaltending for so long.

If it was essential to be moved he would be gone by now. As much as fans like to play GM Gillis has a plan and probably some offers he will attend to once the Doan situation is dealt with.
- VANTEL

Ok I've seen multiple sites including TSN sayin NMC but I'll trust you Van fans. So even with a NTC is that your plan? To waive Luo? Well that's about the only way you'll move him. TBay won't give up anything for Luo after what they spent on Lindback. Columbus on Bob. TOR off waivers sure assuming Reimer or Scrivens start horribly. SJ maybe but there goaltending isn't bad enough to make a move for that contract.

You can say it won't be distracting all you want but you can bet your ass goaltending will be asked about after every single game all year. The press will be on it non stop.

At the very least I'm glad to see offers of a first or Gardiner have stopped.

Ok I am a Leaf fan born and raised living in BC so dont just autodub me a hater. As for Lou I think there's some craziness on both sides and at this point his value is so low.

To you Van fans I don't understand your counter arguments. No he can not be waived courtesy of the NMC he was given, so scratch Columbus out.

Chicago at best merely kicked the tires. The fans in CHI won't accept their bitter rivals cast off the hate is too strong.

As for Toronto while I'm sure Burke has interest the majority of fans have more than just moved on, they would hate to trade for Luo. Say all you want about Luo still having the talent to get the Leafs into the playoffs and you're probably right. However this team is still years away from Cup contention at which point Luo is a burden not a benefit. Long term Luo is a terrible choice for TO.

That essentially leaves only Florida, who made the playoffs with the tending they have and blue chip prospect Markstrom waiting in the wings. Interest is mild at best.

At this point the best bet is to try to accept any soft deal even a 3rd would be fine to just move forward with the club and let Schneider and Lack take over.

I don't understand the logic behind those who say fine well keep him for another year and have the leagues best tandem. Well that may be true but if you're willing to do so then realize you have Luo for life then. If no one will take him now with his last season as a starter why on earth does anyone think his value will go up as a backup???

He will be stuck on Van and it will be a constant distraction, why give him away (not for a cap dump just very cheap) and move forward. If anything this is the first of the retirement contracts to bite a GM in the ass and easily a sign of things to come.

You took a premier goalie who in theory should net you a fantastic haul and made him valueless with a silly contract. A sign of things to come perhaps.
- Blazed

You make some valid points but you have remember this is the NHL and it a results driven industry therefore someone will blink and need to win now which is why honestly it is better for Nuks to wait till the season starts and teams get desperate for results. Would rather get a deal done before the season starts but if Gilles is holding out for the best deal then it will come 10 -20 games in.

Even with no one playing good on our team we still finished 22 pts ahead of your team with all it's stars.
- VANTEL

wow, no one must be good. lets trade for him.

seriously ... I like your team a lot, my vote goes to hammy.

seriously ... I like your team a lot, my vote goes to hammy.
- Sabretooter

Hamhuis and Raymond for Myers and Ennis. You get an MVP of a presidents trophy team

Hamhuis and Raymond for Myers and Ennis. You get an MVP of a presidents trophy team
- Bieksa#3

No thank you. Although we probably do still owe you something more from the trade last spring.

Ok I've seen multiple sites including TSN sayin NMC but I'll trust you Van fans. So even with a NTC is that your plan? To waive Luo? Well that's about the only way you'll move him. TBay won't give up anything for Luo after what they spent on Lindback. Columbus on Bob. TOR off waivers sure assuming Reimer or Scrivens start horribly. SJ maybe but there goaltending isn't bad enough to make a move for that contract.

You can say it won't be distracting all you want but you can bet your ass goaltending will be asked about after every single game all year. The press will be on it non stop.

At the very least I'm glad to see offers of a first or Gardiner have stopped.
- Blazed

OK let's say even if it was a NMC which it is not, if Lu had to choose between playing 65 games in Columbus or sitting on the bench for 65 games in Vancouver what do you think he will choose?

I am not sure why fans and media don't think Gillis does not have the choice of doing what is best. He has Lu under contract and if the right deal does not come along he has two solid goalies to start everynight and teams like Chi Tor CBJ and others have none. If Gillis wants to hold onto LU until TDL he can.

No thank you. Although we probably do still owe you something more from the trade last spring.
- Sabretooter

Give it a couple yrs. Not saying you won't win the trade but pretty hard to close the door on a trade with young guys like that

how would Toronto get him off waivers

- Bieksa#3

Who says CLB would take him? Did they not just acquire Bob? Who says the Islanders would? Do thy not have another mega long term contract that might make them hesitant? Would EDM not maybe think hey by the time were ready to compete for a Cup that contract will be a burden espcially with all the money needed for our young stars?

It's far from a slam dunk that teams will eagerly take this risky contract. A sign of things to come for all of the recent long term retirement contracts. A difficult concept for you to grasp I'm sure. This whole retirement cap buster contracts are quite new without any of the long term ramifications yet to read their head....until now.

My my you're a bright fella. Who says CLB would take him? Did they not just acquire Bob? Who says the Islanders would? Do thy not have another mega long term contract that might make them hesitant? Would EDM not maybe think hey by the time were ready to compete for a Cup that contract will be a burden espcially with all the money needed for our young stars?

It's far from a slam dunk that teams will eagerly take this risky contract. A sign of things to come for all of the recent long term retirement contracts. A difficult concept for you to grasp I'm sure. This whole retirement cap buster contracts are quite new without any of the long term ramifications yet to read their head....until now.
- Blazed

Bob sucks . The fact that he was back up to the ass hat Bryz should tell you he isn't as good as a circus freak side show Bryz. TB CBJ Fla Tor Chi SJ St.L are all going to realize they have gaolie issues this year. We can wait.

How is a 6 year contract at 5.3 mil per for a goalie that has won 30+ games for the last six years risky.

OK let's say even if it was a NMC which it is not, if Lu had to choose between playing 65 games in Columbus or sitting on the bench for 65 games in Vancouver what do you think he will choose?

I am not sure why fans and media don't think Gillis does not have the choice of doing what is best. He has Lu under contract and if the right deal does not come along he has two solid goalies to start everynight and teams like Chi Tor CBJ and others have none. If Gillis wants to hold onto LU until TDL he can.
- VANTEL

Honestly you might be right he could very well accept a role in Columbus rather than none. But the point is his deal doesn't seem to be coming I know Gillis is desperately trying to save face and make it look like a hockey trade, as he should, but it's not happening.

I'd rather give up Luo for minimal return then start the season with that cloud over head. Perhaps it's worth the wait to see if someone bites but why not move him for a pick and concentrate on having the best season possible. Espcially if waivers is a possible end result.

Who says CLB would take him? Did they not just acquire Bob? Who says the Islanders would? Do thy not have another mega long term contract that might make them hesitant? Would EDM not maybe think hey by the time were ready to compete for a Cup that contract will be a burden espcially with all the money needed for our young stars?

It's far from a slam dunk that teams will eagerly take this risky contract. A sign of things to come for all of the recent long term retirement contracts. A difficult concept for you to grasp I'm sure. This whole retirement cap buster contracts are quite new without any of the long term ramifications yet to read their head....until now.
- Blazed

Howson has stated he still wants him. As have Talon and Burke. Accoarding to NHL beat NY I, and lot have interest as well. But hey, as you said your a leaf fan. Everybody falls into their lap. Everybody wants to play there and every team wants to help them out.

OK let's say even if it was a NMC which it is not, if Lu had to choose between playing 65 games in Columbus or sitting on the bench for 65 games in Vancouver what do you think he will choose?

I am not sure why fans and media don't think Gillis does not have the choice of doing what is best. He has Lu under contract and if the right deal does not come along he has two solid goalies to start everynight and teams like Chi Tor CBJ and others have none. If Gillis wants to hold onto LU until TDL he can.
- VANTEL

Vancouver should cut and run IMO. Gillis is trying to get fair value for Luongo and that will never happen. The fact is that you have another guy who you'd rather have in net, and you don't need the distraction, means you should get what you can for him, free up the cap space and move on. There is no harm in waiting a little to try to leverage your negotiating power. But it is starting to look like you will start the season still dealing with this mess, and that is a distraction in the locker room.

Vancouver has more talent than arguably any other team in the league. If Luongo isn't going to be the starter, doesn't it make sense to use that asset to acquire a skater that will help you every night? Vancouver does not have to win this trade, they are already better than almost everyone else.

Holding onto Luongo won't hurt your season standings much, but wouldn't you rather get the new pieces in place now, so that they have time to get adjusted to the team the city and have a training camp with the team. IMO this would allow them a better chance of success and would put them in a position to better contribute come the playoffs.

How does such a bad GM build such a great team?

You make some valid points but you have remember this is the NHL and it a results driven industry therefore someone will blink and need to win now which is why honestly it is better for Nuks to wait till the season starts and teams get desperate for results. Would rather get a deal done before the season starts but if Gilles is holding out for the best deal then it will come 10 -20 games in.
- instigator

See thats how you debate hockey. Excellent non homer response with a legitimate counter arguement that may or may not be accurate. Time will tell how Gillis fares I this one.

If anything this and Bryz should illustrate to NHL GMs the dangers of these mega long term contracts.

Can we not agree Luo, if he had only 2-3 years remaining, would be worth substantially more?