Let's not return to the great Daniel Winnik and turning his nose up at SB and company...

I don't buy it, and he's just a guy.
- ArlingtonRob

They're all just guys - but SB hasn't gotten any of them. Not one problem from last year solved - not 2C, not crease-clearing D, not face-off winner, not PP point. EDIT: and not goalie.

And there seems to be evidence (JJ referenced it, as I recall, maybe Al, too) - Winnik - maybe not great - DID turn up his nose at SB and company, as did others.

...just his shot is....
- wiz1901

Shaw's knee is better than Bickell's.

Shaw's knee is better than Bickell's.
- StLBravesFan

Is there any part of his body Shaw hasn't used to score?

In Bick's defense... He is excellent come playoff time, which I can't say for 80% of the guys on the current roster.

It's also a possibility that the Hawks have been trying to land the big fish (Suter, Parise, Weber) and when they don't get them, they are waiting for the next domino to fall (Doan in this case) before they start making smaller moves. This is all pure speculation, but a lot of teams have been quiet. Philly has been huge in trying to get players, and they've only re-signed 1 so far.
- JRoenick97

That's partly my point...if failure to land quality FA's is an indictment of a franchise then the list is long this year.

Some examples...

Nashville (Ouch!)
Philly (one trade and lost Carle)
Detroit (Gustavson)
Vancouver (got Garrison...not bad, may be a flash)
Toronto (well they shouldn't really count)
Blackhawks (Brookbank)
Penguins (one trade cya J. Stahl)
Boston (crickets)

Poile still has a job
Holmgren is always lauded, but no cup yet
Holland's considered a living god by many...not much lately.
Gillis keeps trying...and getting a regular check
Burke...well what more can I say
SB will always be a bum regardless
Shero may be the best, but no cup for several years now
Chiarelli still sitting on a bunch of talent..honeymoon not over yet.

Let me know if I missed anything...

There's alot of competition out there...everyone wants the cup..each..and..every..year. And every GM wants the edge in every deal.

I'll leave it to RW to make the call if his management team sucks.

Don't have a clue what doan thinks, feels, wants as a salary.

Don't know how deep the hawk's pocketbook would have to be.

What I do know is Doan doesn't swear, is respectful to the officials and WANTS to win every game.

You have to view him as a graybeard who hasn't forgotten the style of play that he is most successful at playing.

He doesn't quit. He can be intimidating. He can be the crease presence. He can score from outside. He plays the wall.

...and he won't fuss about lining up anywhere up front on any line.

He makes any teams personal more interchangable.

He fights for every inch of ice.

Why wouldn't EVERY TEAM want him?

I don't think this comes down to Doan evaluating each visit ... the visits were about serving notice to the new management that he wants a resolution and he has the offers to bring back to the Phoenix.

The visits to the other NHL teams were big new on the outlets...
He was in Chicago?
Didn't know that until I read it here.

(Did I miss that visit in the NHL sites?)

Interesting don't you all think?

TSN says Doan is looking for $7.5 x 4 years. If true, that's a deal killer all by itself.

The next spin from Madison Avenue will be how the rest of the Central division got so much worse, and since the Hawks stayed status quo, they should be a shoe in for division champs, giving them home ice in the first round.
- Return of the Roar

$7.5 x 4 is too much, imo.

That spin is already being spun by writers. Jesse Rogers and somebody on CSN, not one of the usuals though.

JJ, does the fact that Saad was not at the convention (thats what I thought I heard) change your theory that they're hyping up the prospects as a viable alternative to signing some stud FA's?

And is there any possibility that Toews might be willing to "loan" his "C" to Doan for a few years?
- busmaster

Only reason Saad wasn't at the convention is because he had a prior committment.

They're all just guys - but SB hasn't gotten any of them. Not one problem from last year solved - not 2C, not crease-clearing D, not face-off winner, not PP point. EDIT: and not goalie.

And there seems to be evidence (JJ referenced it, as I recall, maybe Al, too) - Winnik - maybe not great - DID turn up his nose at SB and company, as did others.
- StLBravesFan

First of all...Winnik can go F himself. Hawks don't need him, and I'm not sure they needed any of the NHL's afterthoughts.

Personally, I want a first rate goalie. Unfortunately, I do not think this organization has any interest in an upgrade and that's my #1 complaint with management.

#2 concern is a second line center. Now these guys don't grow on trees and quality will only come via trade at this point. Stastny would be great, but won't be easy. Good luck with this one Stan since finding a guy may create a hole somewhere else.

#3 Brookbank will likely be ok, hopefully better than ok. Would like to have big stay at home guy, but apparently management doesn't agree. Time will tell if that's a mistake.

$7.5 x 4 is too much, imo.

That spin is already being spun by writers. Jesse Rogers and somebody on CSN, not one of the usuals though.
- GoHawks1

Why does everyone care so much about Rocky's money? Doan wouldn't be taking caviar out of his kids' mouths.

And why care about a salary cap 3 and 4 years out - when Hossa is probably through, Sharp isn't a 30 goal sorer any more, and Toews and Kane have moved on because Rocky didn't have a management group that could staff up for a couple of Stanley Cup runs?

Don't know how much Doan would help, but Stan should be the capologist figuring out how to DO, NOT how to DO NOT.

First of all...Winnik can go F himself. Hawks don't need him, and I'm not sure they needed any of the NHL's afterthoughts.

Personally, I want a first rate goalie. Unfortunately, I do not think this organization has any interest in an upgrade and that's my #1 complaint with management.

#2 concern is a second line center. Now these guys don't grow on trees and quality will only come via trade at this point. Stastny would be great, but won't be easy. Good luck with this one Stan since finding a guy may create a hole somewhere else.

#3 Brookbank will likely be ok, hopefully better than ok. Would like to have big stay at home guy, but apparently management doesn't agree. Time will tell if that's a mistake.
- ArlingtonRob

With all due respect (and I DO respect your opinion, Rob) - you're making excuses for the lack of action.

Don't like Winnick - fine - then get someone else.

Need to trade for a 2C? THEN DO IT.

Brookbank ok? I agree - not the crease-clearere needed, but ok - BUT ONLY OK.

Goalie? Absolutely - nothing done.

With all due respect (and I DO respect your opinion, Rob) - you're making excuses for the lack of action.

Don't like Winnick - fine - then get someone else.

Need to trade for a 2C? THEN DO IT.

Brookbank ok? I agree - not the crease-clearere needed, but ok - BUT ONLY OK.

Goalie? Absolutely - nothing done.
- StLBravesFan

The respect is mutual...we're just throwing our thoughts out there.

It just seems that alot of the demands for action are for anything...do something...can't you clowns see we're bored! Perhaps the market actually sucks.

Isn't Winnik a lower line center? Do we need a 4th line center? I'm not sure the Hawks really need anything for the bottom 6, and if they do who did you want as an upgrade?

It all comes back to 2c in my opinion, fill that and the middle is largely solved for several years. I feel that solving 2C is simply not as easy as "Then Do It".

Who is available?
What's the cost going the other way?
Will the hypothetical trade create a new hole somewhere else?

These are questions we simply do not know, at least I know I don't have an answer. So I defer to SB and company because that's all I can do as a fan...

Typing is all caps or yelling at the ceiling won't solve it.

But yes...finding a goaltender is my #1 gripe. But if finding a goalie involves a trade, what hole is opened up to fill that need?

I'll reserve my compaints for later, if the season starts and the team shows poorly.

Why does everyone care so much about Rocky's money? Doan wouldn't be taking caviar out of his kids' mouths.

And why care about a salary cap 3 and 4 years out - when Hossa is probably through, Sharp isn't a 30 goal sorer any more, and Toews and Kane have moved on because Rocky didn't have a management group that could staff up for a couple of Stanley Cup runs?

Don't know how much Doan would help, but Stan should be the capologist figuring out how to DO, NOT how to DO NOT.
- StLBravesFan

Totally agree with you its like everyone just wants to be able to continue to complain about the inactivity

This is liable to happen since its not stan pushing doan so it gives our chicken sh it gm an excuse if it does not work out well. Just my opinion

Why does everyone care so much about Rocky's money? Doan wouldn't be taking caviar out of his kids' mouths.

And why care about a salary cap 3 and 4 years out - when Hossa is probably through, Sharp isn't a 30 goal sorer any more, and Toews and Kane have moved on because Rocky didn't have a management group that could staff up for a couple of Stanley Cup runs?

Don't know how much Doan would help, but Stan should be the capologist figuring out how to DO, NOT how to DO NOT.
- StLBravesFan

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- Ogilthorpe2

May the Schwartz be with you.

Agreed with Al: no and no.

I also think, just my opinion, that who the captain is will matter to Doan—which will favor the Hawks (JT), Pittsburgh (Sid when he plays), Philly (probably Giroux ,post Pronger), New York (Callahan).

Maybe the Hawks the most.
- John Jaeckel

Just some food for thought..... its briere recruiting doan for the flyers, not necessarily giroux. Briere was in phoenix with doan for 6 seasons or so. Bryz was there as well for a while.... but he may not be a selling point.... lol.

Taking bad penalties is a huge liability.
If Carcillo can adjust his game, much like Matt Cooke did, he can be a huge asset to this team. If he decides that he wants to continue to try and blow guys up, or check from behind into the boards he will not help this team one bit.
- InvisibleOrange

You guys should be ashamed of yourselves for spending this much time discussing carcillo. He is not a player worthy of this much mention.... it'd be like flyers fans talking up Rinaldo like he's a top 6 guy. I blame SB, he's got you all trending to delusional

With all due respect (and I DO respect your opinion, Rob) - you're making excuses for the lack of action.

Don't like Winnick - fine - then get someone else.

Need to trade for a 2C? THEN DO IT.

Brookbank ok? I agree - not the crease-clearere needed, but ok - BUT ONLY OK.

Goalie? Absolutely - nothing done.
- StLBravesFan

You just won't accept the obvious will you. You, me and our grandmothers may think this team needs a 2C, but the powers that run the Hawks don't. They have Toews, Sharp, Kane, Bolland, Kruger, Pirri, McNeill, Danault, Flick and Mayers to fill 4 center positions. Thats it, end of story, finito, not gonna change.

Do you not think Bowman could have put a better package together for Nash - for sure he could have, but Nash didn't have the Hawks on his list, for whatever reason.

Could they have gotten Parise and Suter, sure just offer up $120 million to each guy and destroy the salary structure of your team for years.

Why not chase Jokinen for the 2C spot - because he stinks thats why.

Why not do a deal for Luongo? Because he isn't worth what Gillis is asking for him right now, Maybe in a month or 2.

You want to name guys who have sat on their fat asses and done nothing - what the hell has Ken Holland, Doug Wilson and Brian Burke done this summer? As much or less than Bowman.

Action is only appropriate if it makes sense at the time. What Holmgren and the Flyers have done is aggressive, but it hasn't made the team better.

That all said, I still want Stan Bowman Jr. to be the ex-General Manager and the sooner the better.

So this well choreographed "lockout" until 12/1 is suppose to accomplish what??

These clown geniouses should have talking under the radar since last spring.
What do we get from Bettman: we hope to have an agreement ASAP...well no kidding....but I guess ASAP has a date of 12/1

You guys should be ashamed of yourselves for spending this much time discussing carcillo. He is not a player worthy of this much mention.... it'd be like flyers fans talking up Rinaldo like he's a top 6 guy. I blame SB, he's got you all trending to delusional
- moylander

He did look pretty good with Kane and Hossa, though. I know it wasn't a huge sample size. Guess with him is can he be consistent and not get into penalty trouble. I think it is too much of a risk. I believe in chemistry and playing with the saame guys for a long time together. I don't trust Carcillo for that long

JJ, any news about your previous posts mentionning Chicago and Montreal talking? RE: Stalberg in another sweater, I imaging he goes with Montador or Frolik to sweeten the deal?

JJ, any news about your previous posts mentionning Chicago and Montreal talking? RE: Stalberg in another sweater, I imaging he goes with Montador or Frolik to sweeten the deal?
- ikeane

It sure is looking more and more that the deal with Montreal is off for the moment. I'm still disapppointed that no deal happpened with the Sens. I would have liked getting Z. Smith. I guess everything is in another holding pattern waiting for Doan. I thought the Nash trade would have started the dominoes

(frank).

Reunite team canada...........add both DOAN &LU!!!!

(frank).
- Ogilthorpe2

Yup.

(frank) is about right