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miked23
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 03.05.2009

Jul 27 @ 1:34 PM ET
When did Bickell ever play the role of agitator? Most of the time you have to hope Bickell shows up wanting to play hockey. That's not a concern with Shaw.
- EKolb13

why does he need to agitate? If Carbomb is out Bolland, Bollig, Mayers, Brookbank. can agitate. Bickells game is a lot better than Shaw's-ON THIS TEAM IN THE DOAN DREAM-Shaw thus far has shown he can play a little on all four lines. If we have Doan-and everybody is healthy- I dont see that role for shaw. If we need someone to shut down the other teams top players with Bolland-dont you think Bick and Frolik did a good job of that? Shaw's got a lot of heart-but until he proves he can stay out of the penatly box-I dont think he gets many shifts over the other wingers on our team (IF WE HAD DOAN)

No Doan? we need him.
southernhawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: of champions, AL
Joined: 01.19.2012

Jul 27 @ 1:38 PM ET
why does he need to agitate? If Carbomb is out Bolland, Bollig, Mayers, Brookbank. can agitate. Bickells game is a lot better than Shaw's-ON THIS TEAM IN THE DOAN DREAM-Shaw thus far has shown he can play a little on all four lines. If we have Doan-and everybody is healthy- I dont see that role for shaw. If we need someone to shut down the other teams top players with Bolland-dont you think Bick and Frolik did a good job of that? Shaw's got a lot of heart-but until he proves he can stay out of the penatly box-I dont think he gets many shifts over the other wingers on our team (IF WE HAD DOAN)

No Doan? we need him.

- miked23


Bickells game is not better than shaws.....
Hawkster
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Quebec , QC
Joined: 06.13.2008

Jul 27 @ 1:39 PM ET

Good read JJ and spot on as usual!

Would love to see Doan in Chicago as long as it's not a crazy overpaying.

I think he would bring leadership and a no holds bar winning attitude (a la Toews) which can only help this team....

By the way did not know you knew french.

C'est tres bien pour un gars qui viens de Chicago!
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Jul 27 @ 1:39 PM ET
carcillo is not a defensive liability....
- southernhawk


I didn't say he was, but there's a difference between not being a liability and being an effective shut down forward. I'm not saying Carcillo couldn't fill the shut down role, I was saying I don't know if he could, mostly because I've never seen him play in that capacity.
southernhawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: of champions, AL
Joined: 01.19.2012

Jul 27 @ 1:41 PM ET
why does he need to agitate? If Carbomb is out Bolland, Bollig, Mayers, Brookbank. can agitate. Bickells game is a lot better than Shaw's-ON THIS TEAM IN THE DOAN DREAM-Shaw thus far has shown he can play a little on all four lines. If we have Doan-and everybody is healthy- I dont see that role for shaw. If we need someone to shut down the other teams top players with Bolland-dont you think Bick and Frolik did a good job of that? Shaw's got a lot of heart-but until he proves he can stay out of the penatly box-I dont think he gets many shifts over the other wingers on our team (IF WE HAD DOAN)

No Doan? we need him.

- miked23



And Shaw is not a penalty problem...what one flop by smith and he's a problem...
tomcat24
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Gomer's Pyle, IL
Joined: 06.04.2012

Jul 27 @ 1:41 PM ET
Or maybe we can really spread out the scoring to 3 lines and make it really hard on opposing teams to defend. This was the key to the Cup team. Some on that team wouldn't be considered top 6 guys either, but Q mixed and matched them; but maybe Stalberg-Toews-Doan, Carcillo-Kane-Hossa, Sharp-Bolland-Shaw. A skill guy, a finisher, and a gritty forechecker on each line
Al
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: , IL
Joined: 08.11.2006

Jul 27 @ 1:42 PM ET
Jets resign Enstrom....Still waiting on E. Kane.

On Twitter@AlCimaglia
Hawkster
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Quebec , QC
Joined: 06.13.2008

Jul 27 @ 1:44 PM ET
Bickells game is not better than shaws.....
- southernhawk


It could be.

I just don't think he has the same drive as Shaw.
southernhawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: of champions, AL
Joined: 01.19.2012

Jul 27 @ 1:47 PM ET
Bicks should probably be on the 4th line till he shows he can play like a man and not like he's 150lbs.....maybe some time with bollig will help him...shaw plays big and bickell rarely shows up ...if bickell had shaws drive and gumption we wouldn't need down.
HajdukChicago
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IN
Joined: 09.08.2011

Jul 27 @ 1:48 PM ET


The next spin from Madison Avenue will be how the rest of the Central division got so much worse, and since the Hawks stayed status quo, they should be a shoe in for division champs, giving them home ice in the first round.

- Return of the Roar


Yup. And the response should be, "how'd that work out for the Canucks, Blues, and Yotes." Pros are where they are because they are the best that hockey has to offer (some exceptions of course), no matter what seeded team they are on.
southernhawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: of champions, AL
Joined: 01.19.2012

Jul 27 @ 1:49 PM ET
It could be.

I just don't think he has the same drive as Shaw.

- Hawkster


Think hell....he doesn't have shaws drive or heart PERIOD
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Jul 27 @ 1:50 PM ET
Or maybe we can really spread out the scoring to 3 lines and make it really hard on opposing teams to defend. This was the key to the Cup team. Some on that team wouldn't be considered top 6 guys either, but Q mixed and matched them; but maybe Stalberg-Toews-Doan, Carcillo-Kane-Hossa, Sharp-Bolland-Shaw. A skill guy, a finisher, and a gritty forechecker on each line
- tomcat24



Not a bad idea, but I wonder if that would be a bit of waste for Sharp. Maybe swap Sharp and Stalberg. It's a good idea though, really thinking outside the box.
miked23
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 03.05.2009

Jul 27 @ 1:53 PM ET
And Shaw is not a penalty problem...what one flop by smith and he's a problem...
- southernhawk

Shaw takes a lot of penalties. And yes, I would call taking a 5min penalty in a playoff game and 3 playoff game suspension for running a goalie a problem. If it werent' for Bickell that game we would have lost
InvisibleOrange
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Shermer, IL
Joined: 08.04.2011

Jul 27 @ 1:55 PM ET
carcillo is not a defensive liability....
- southernhawk


Taking bad penalties is a huge liability.
If Carcillo can adjust his game, much like Matt Cooke did, he can be a huge asset to this team. If he decides that he wants to continue to try and blow guys up, or check from behind into the boards he will not help this team one bit.
southernhawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: of champions, AL
Joined: 01.19.2012

Jul 27 @ 1:55 PM ET
Shaw takes a lot of penalties. And yes, I would call taking a 5min penalty in a playoff game and 3 playoff game suspension for running a goalie a problem. If it werent' for Bickell that game we would have lost
- miked23



That was a horse shít call...
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Jul 27 @ 1:57 PM ET
That was a horse shít call...
- southernhawk


It most certainly was. Shaw is a physical forward so he'll take penalties, but that should be expected. But by no means is Shaw a concern.
southernhawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: of champions, AL
Joined: 01.19.2012

Jul 27 @ 1:58 PM ET
Taking bad penalties is a huge liability.
If Carcillo can adjust his game, much like Matt Cooke did, he can be a huge asset to this team. If he decides that he wants to continue to try and blow guys up, or check from behind into the boards he will not help this team one bit.

- InvisibleOrange



Did you not watch car bomb last year....hw did fine up until his (frank)up he was a solid player and did change his game....but he did do that ONE stupid play
Hawkster
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Quebec , QC
Joined: 06.13.2008

Jul 27 @ 1:59 PM ET
Think hell....he doesn't have shaws drive or heart PERIOD
- southernhawk


I was being nice but yeah you're 100% correct.

If all the Hawks had Shaw's drive we would be celebrating two cups since 2010.

Kane might want to take a page from Shaw.....it's not always all about talent.
John Jaeckel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: www.the-rink.com
Joined: 11.19.2006

Jul 27 @ 2:00 PM ET
If I was a Hawks fan I don't think I would want the Hawks looking at trying to sign a 36 year old (even one as good as Doan) to a 4 or 5 year contract at $7.5 million a year (the rumored going offer). I was kind of glad the Wings apparently dropped out of the bidding because it's so high, paying a 38/39 year old $7.5 million is pretty risky.

The Hawks in particular seem like they already have a problem of too many people making star money so they have had to get rid of their quality second tier guys. And they guys they replaced them with haven't been getting the job done.

- noffsin6


I don't fully disagree with you and this is not meant as a slam. But the Wings and Hawks' needs are different. The Wings must focus all or most of their remaining cap dollars (now or next summer) on defense. Basically, you have an injury-prone #3 as your #1, and after that, there's a dropoff. The Hawks don't have that problem. Doan doesn't "fix" all of the Hawks' issues but he does fill a big need or two. Willthe Hawks go to $30 million/4 years? Dunno. Will theyneed to? Dunno. i get the sense for Doan, the right situation might justify leaving $500K a year on the table.

Are the Hawks THE right situation for Doan? They check some boxes I think for him, others not as much. And maybe, like I said, if team leadership matters to him as much as I think it might, then IMO the Hawks (Toews, Keith, Seabrook) and Pittsburgh (Crosby) could be frontrunners. Maybe the rangers (Nash, Callahan)
southernhawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: of champions, AL
Joined: 01.19.2012

Jul 27 @ 2:01 PM ET
Taking bad penalties is a huge liability.
If Carcillo can adjust his game, much like Matt Cooke did, he can be a huge asset to this team. If he decides that he wants to continue to try and blow guys up, or check from behind into the boards he will not help this team one bit.

- InvisibleOrange


And blowing people up there IS a time and place for that....like when Toews was getting his rape shower un the san Jose game
John Jaeckel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: www.the-rink.com
Joined: 11.19.2006

Jul 27 @ 2:01 PM ET
Good read JJ and spot on as usual!

Would love to see Doan in Chicago as long as it's not a crazy overpaying.

I think he would bring leadership and a no holds bar winning attitude (a la Toews) which can only help this team....

By the way did not know you knew french.

C'est tres bien pour un gars qui viens de Chicago!

- Hawkster[
/quote]

J'ai habite' et travaille' a Montreal pour trois ans, mon ami.
southernhawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: of champions, AL
Joined: 01.19.2012

Jul 27 @ 2:02 PM ET
I was being nice but yeah you're 100% correct.

If all the Hawks had Shaw's drive we would be celebrating two cups since 2010.

Kane might want to take a page from Shaw.....it's not always all about talent.

- Hawkster



+1
tomcat24
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Gomer's Pyle, IL
Joined: 06.04.2012

Jul 27 @ 2:03 PM ET
Not a bad idea, but I wonder if that would be a bit of waste for Sharp. Maybe swap Sharp and Stalberg. It's a good idea though, really thinking outside the box.
- DarthKane

Yeah I thought of switching Stalberg and Sharp, too. That would still set up 2 great scoring lines, but I don't think Sharp would be wasted with Bolland. Q would sometimes put those 2 together and they wouldn't miss a beat. Plus Shaw is just a type of player that makes things happen every shift. I think you would really see 3 lines prooduce. Than have Kruger with either smith, Bolig, Hayes, or Bickell
southernhawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: of champions, AL
Joined: 01.19.2012

Jul 27 @ 2:03 PM ET
It most certainly was. Shaw is a physical forward so he'll take penalties, but that should be expected. But by no means is Shaw a concern.
- DarthKane

+1
Hawkster
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Quebec , QC
Joined: 06.13.2008

Jul 27 @ 2:04 PM ET
[quote=Hawkster]Good read JJ and spot on as usual!

Would love to see Doan in Chicago as long as it's not a crazy overpaying.

I think he would bring leadership and a no holds bar winning attitude (a la Toews) which can only help this team....

By the way did not know you knew french.

C'est tres bien pour un gars qui viens de Chicago!

- John Jaeckel[
/quote]

J'ai habite' et travaille' a Montreal pour trois ans, mon ami.


Wow....tres cool!


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