more important than balance and prudence imo is time. How much time you gonna give bowman before you (or more importantly Rocky) decide he's terrible at the job he was hired to do? His second offense to me was the nine game skid. Q should have been fired then.... yet he is still the coach. Maybe I'm just impatient.... but then again incompetence to me is intolerable.
- moylander

So the solution to the atrocious composition of last year's team was to fire Q? B.S. - all anybody gets out of firing the coach in the middle of a losing streak is about a two week performance improvement and then back into the soup after the shakeup.

The architect of the team is Bowman and he is the guy who provided Q with crap like Scott, O'Donnell, Brunette etc. If Q deserved to go because he couldn't win with the squad he had, Bowman should have been sent packing with him at the same time.

And if Q got outcoached by Dave Tippett in the playoffs, so did Peter Laviolette & Co. by the Devils and their coaching staff.

You definitely can't be characterized as impatient - how long have you been watching the Flyer's blow Stanley cup chances because they can never find a goaltender? It's up to about 35 years now.

So the solution to the atrocious composition of last year's team was to fire Q? B.S. - all anybody gets out of firing the coach in the middle of a losing streak is about a two week performance improvement and then back into the soup after the shakeup.

The architect of the team is Bowman and he is the guy who provided Q with crap like Scott, O'Donnell, Brunette etc. If Q deserved to go because he couldn't win with the squad he had, Bowman should have been sent packing with him at the same time.

And if Q got outcoached by Dave Tippett in the playoffs, so did Peter Laviolette & Co. by the Devils and their coaching staff.

You definitely can't be characterized as impatient - how long have you been watching the Flyer's blow Stanley cup chances because they can never find a goaltender? It's up to about 35 years now.
- RickJ

The Kings changed coaches and never looked back. That was some soup.

So the solution to the atrocious composition of last year's team was to fire Q? B.S. - all anybody gets out of firing the coach in the middle of a losing streak is about a two week performance improvement and then back into the soup after the shakeup.

The architect of the team is Bowman and he is the guy who provided Q with crap like Scott, O'Donnell, Brunette etc. If Q deserved to go because he couldn't win with the squad he had, Bowman should have been sent packing with him at the same time.

And if Q got outcoached by Dave Tippett in the playoffs, so did Peter Laviolette & Co. by the Devils and their coaching staff.

You definitely can't be characterized as impatient - how long have you been watching the Flyer's blow Stanley cup chances because they can never find a goaltender? It's up to about 35 years now.
- RickJ

Q didn't get outcoached FFS...our goalie let in 2 o/t, series altering goals..that most of our grandma's could have stopped. If C2 hadn't PHUCKING CHOKED...we might have have gone to give LA s h it fits....

Q didn't get outcoached FFS...our goalie let in 2 o/t, series altering goals..that most our grandma's could have stopped. If C2 hadn't PHUCKING CHOKED...we might have gone to give LA s h it fits....
- philco28

You are bucking a very prevalent sentiment on this site that Q should be fired because he is a bad coach with incompetent assistants.

Like you, I think it is impossible to win without goaltending and also that chicken sh$t doesn't get turned into chicken salad very often.

The Kings changed coaches and never looked back. That was some soup.
- Ogilthorpe2

Good point and Sutter immediately pulled some guys like Jordan Nolan and Dwight King up from the AHL to give them size up front. And he got world class goaltending in the playoffs from Quick all season long or they don't even make the playoffs.

How did it work out for Boudreau in Anaheim, Carlyle in Toronto, the guy in Montreal, Richards in Columbus?

You are bucking a very prevalent sentiment on this site that Q should be fired because he is a bad coach with incompetent assistants.

Like you, I think it is impossible to win without goaltending and also that chicken sh$t doesn't get turned into chicken salad very often.
- RickJ

I wouldn't say that he was out coached specifically by Tippett so much, it's just that he showed a certain level of incompetence all season long. Speaking of goaltending...how many times did Emery look good in one game only to have a struggling Crawford sent back out there for the next game? Bad coaching decisions.

Why did we have Brunette? Because Q ran Brouwer out of town and Bruno was a "Q guy" that's why.

Why did Scott play ahead of Lepisto? Because Q is a dolt that's why.

Poor GM...yes, equally poor coaching though. Can 'em both.

You are bucking a very prevalent sentiment on this site that Q should be fired because he is a bad coach with incompetent assistants.

Like you, I think it is impossible to win without goaltending and also that chicken sh$t doesn't get turned into chicken salad very often.
- RickJ

As i posted earlier on this thread and OFTEN on others Rick...I'm VERY pro Q....i know and recognize he's not perfect and has made mistakes, but he's the BEST Hawks coach i've seen. Darryl Sutter was pretty damn good. DON'T KNOW why he was ever jettisoned, given the fact he seemingly gave his right nut for the team. Q still has a lot to prove, but i'm very comfortable with Joel at the wheel.

I wouldn't say that he was out coached specifically by Tippett so much, it's just that he showed a certain level of incompetence all season long. Speaking of goaltending...how many times did Emery look good in one game only to have a struggling Crawford sent back out there for the next game? Bad coaching decisions.

Why did we have Brunette? Because Q ran Brouwer out of town and Bruno was a "Q guy" that's why.

Why did Scott pay head of Lepisto? Because Q is a dolt that's why.

Poor GM...yes, equally poor coaching though. Can 'em both.
- Ogilthorpe2

I never liked that signing bc I knew his speed was never going to allow him to fit into the top 6 where he was originally slated. However, he had very productive years before Chicago and everyone was pretty excited about him coming aboard with the work he would do in front of the net.

It didn't work out. He was quickly sent to the 4th line and contributed very little on the ice. However, you can't play monday morning QB with every decision.
Didn't work out but he was that net front presence everyone screamed for before we signed him.

I wouldn't say that he was out coached specifically by Tippett so much, it's just that he showed a certain level of incompetence all season long. Speaking of goaltending...how many times did Emery look good in one game only to have a struggling Crawford sent back out there for the next game? Bad coaching decisions.

Why did we have Brunette? Because Q ran Brouwer out of town and Buno was a "Q guy" that's why.

Why did Scott pay head of Lepisto? Because Q is a dolt that's why.

Poor GM...yes, equally poor coaching though. Can 'em both.
- Ogilthorpe2

You make vaild points on the personnel and I really believe Q had alot to do with Brouwer getting shipped out. But Bowman had to buy in on that before making the trade.

I also think Emery played better than Crawford almost all year. Wonder if Q wanted to make Emery the #1 but was overruled by above?

I never liked that signing bc I knew his speed was never going to allow him to fit into the top 6 where he was originally slated. However, he had very productive years before Chicago and everyone was pretty excited about him coming aboard with the work he would do in front of the net.

It didn't work out. He was quickly sent to the 4th line and contributed very little on the ice. However, you can't play monday morning QB with every decision.
Didn't work out but he was that net front presence everyone screamed for before we signed him.
- Bhawks35

The signings of Brunette and Montador are on Bowman and his info providers. Montador couldn't play in Buffalo - why sign him to a 4 year deal - he had no other options after Lindy ran his butt out of HSBC arena.

And Bruno - he played on crappy teams in Minny, St.Louis and Colorado. Sure he has hands in tight quarters if and when he catches up to the play, which was almost never because he couldn't skate.

Q probably had input but a decent GM with a feel for what fits on his team would never have signed either player. Another Bowman FAIL.

You make vaild points on the personnel and I really believe Q had alot to do with Brouwer getting shipped out. But Bowman had to buy in on that before making the trade.

I also think Emery played better than Crawford almost all year. Wonder if Q wanted to make Emery the #1 but was overruled by above?
- RickJ

What has Q won? I'm in the camp that says almost anyone could have coached that team to the cup. He had loaded teams in Colorado and St Louis and did nothing in the playoffs. He could never beat Bowman senior in Detroit and it is fortunate the 'hawks managed to avoid the wings in the playoffs in the cup year. Q is ok in the regular season with a veteran squad. I don't think he's a particularly patient guy with new players. He's also very stubborn and wants the players to do it his way rather than adapting his way to the players he has. It's all been said here before …

What has Q won? I'm in the camp that says almost anyone could have coached that team to the cup. He had loaded teams in Colorado and St Louis and did nothing in the playoffs. He could never beat Bowman senior in Detroit and it is fortunate the 'hawks managed to avoid the wings in the playoffs in the cup year. Q is ok in the regular season with a veteran squad. I don't think he's a particularly patient guy with new players. He's also very stubborn and wants the players to do it his way rather than adapting his way to the players he has. It's all been said here before …
- djd

Legit criticisms...but name ONE Hawks coach that won a Cup in the half century preceding Q ?

Legit criticisms...but name ONE Hawks coach that won a Cup in the half century preceding Q ?
- philco28

Right place, right time, Phil. Name one coach that had that kind of team to coach in the last half century. BTW, Rudy Pilous won it 49 years earlier.

Legit criticisms...but name ONE Hawks coach that won a Cup in the half century preceding Q ?
- philco28

I'm not sure it can really be argued whether or not Q is a great coach. You don't amount a .600 winning percentage by luck. I think the only question is if he is still the right coach for this team. Has the team tuned him out or not. This year will go along way into answering those questions.

Right place, right time, Phil. Name one coach that had that kind of team to coach in the last half century. BTW, Rudy Pilous won it 49 years earlier.
- djd

Mike Keenan had Smellfour, Savvy, Larmer, Chelios, Graham and GOT SWEPT. Rudy Pilous in a 6 team league...C'MON BRO...you can do better than that.

Legit criticisms...but name ONE Hawks coach that won a Cup in the half century preceding Q ?
- philco28

No coach could have won under Bill Wirtz..... Rocky taking over and spending some dough and having Tallon build a championship team had more to do with a championship won than anything......

I'm not sure it can really be argued whether or not Q is a great coach. You don't amount a .600 winning percentage by luck. I think the only question is if he is still the right coach for this team. Has the team tuned him out or not. This year will go along way into answering those questions.
- Bhawks35

If Corey Crawford lets in 2 A S S HOLED sized goals...is that Q's fault ?

No coach could have won under Bill Wirtz..... Rocky taking over and spending some dough and having Tallon build a championship team had more to do with a championship won than anything......
- JR1973

Horse S H I T... Hawks BLEW Cups in '71, ;73 and '92 under Dollar Bill

Mike Keenan had Smellfour, Savvy, Larmer, Chelios, Graham and GOT SWEPT. Rudy Pilous in a 6 team league...C'MON BRO...you can do better than that.
- philco28

Yup, after they coughed up a 4-1 lead in the third period of game one in Pittsburgh. Brent Sutter lost a draw. Etched in my mind forever.

If Corey Crawford lets in 2 A S S HOLED sized goals...is that Q's fault ?
- philco28

of course not. I was agreeing with you. I think Q is a great coach.

I don't know how it can be argued that he isn't. I think the only argument that could be made is if he is still the right coach for this team. I don't have an answer for that but we will see this year if the players have tuned him out or not.

Yup, after they coughed up a 4-1 lead in the third period of game one in Pittsburgh. Brent Sutter lost a draw. Etched in my mind forever.
- djd

That's right and Ed SMELL 4 let in a weak backhand from 25 feat that C2's Grandma could have stopped....Belfour GAGGED in that final.

Nice JJ...i pride myself on consistency...and i'm pro Q, pro Sharp, pro McD, Anti Bowman....was VERY pro C2...but he really let Hawk nation down this past playoff...
- philco28

Philco...Q=favorite all time coach....aw c'mon..how about alpo or orvil??

That's right and Ed SMELL 4 let in a weak backhand from 25 feat that C2's Grandma could have stopped....Belfour GAGGED in that final.
- philco28

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcJmjxklcw4

Horse S H I T... Hawks BLEW Cups in '71, ;73 and '92 under Dollar Bill
- philco28

yes they did...great run in 92 and got blitzed by Jagr and Mario

71=all time heart breaker

of course not. I was agreeing with you. I think Q is a great coach.

I don't know how it can be argued that he isn't. I think the only argument that could be made is if he is still the right coach for this team. I don't have an answer for that but we will see this year if the players have tuned him out or not.
- Bhawks35

BHawk..that's FAIR for sure...but seems like Q is a very popular coach among the players.....and it seems to me...that he's a gazillion miles from being tuned out.