There is a huge drop off between Mesz and Bourdon/Gus/Gervais/Lilya.

Like, Oprah Winfrey huge!

Like, Before she had all the fat sucked out!!
- TheGreat28

i'll buy that. but again, to make the trade "work" you need to send over the salary.

let's ask this other question. out of the following, who would you rather send the other way:

Grossman
Cobourn
Schenn
Mezaros

i DEFINITELY want another vet. with leadership qualities.

devils fan pal of mine says i would tear my hair out over how slow he is. (arnott)

i always liked him but admit i haven't seen him play much at all over the last two years.

what's the general consensus here... is he done or does he still have a year or two in the tank?
- Don'tForgetTocchet

Arnott doesnt have speed at this point but most VETS dont they use their hockey knowledge and skills/experience to make up the difference. He's good defensively which would help this team.

happy friday, everyone. let's all take a deep breath.
- hammarby31

No fun in doing that

not really

i'm just speculating that if we pick up another high-ish priced young player now, we might have to make some hard decisions in the next few years regarding some of our current young players that are supposedly being considered as keepers by the flyers.

which is where the value of a matt read cannot be dismissed.

i don't know that it really needed to be so dissected but hopefully that's enough for you to not be upset about the opinion.
- Don'tForgetTocchet

I agree with you. In a cap-controlled sport, you HAVE to project to some degree. I think Holmgren and the Flyers didn't learn this right out of the gate, which is why you had the Gagne and Upshall kinds of trades.

At this point you'll have G, Schenn, Couturier, Read and Mesz all up for new deals at the same time, and Simmonds and Hartsy the year before. Yes, you have Timonen and a few others coming off. That has to be factored in.

i'll buy that. but again, to make the trade "work" you need to send over the salary.

let's ask this other question. out of the following, who would you rather send the other way:

Grossman
Cobourn
Schenn
Mezaros
- eshake

None of them unless I'm getting back another defenseman.

i'll buy that. but again, to make the trade "work" you need to send over the salary.

let's ask this other question. out of the following, who would you rather send the other way:

Grossman
Cobourn
Schenn
Mezaros
- eshake

Since they didn't get Weber for picks....none. As much as I'd like to have Ryan, I wouldn't do it for roster players. I think the roster is better right now as constructed than losing 2/3 roster players plus picks/prospects for Ryan.

None of them unless I'm getting back another defenseman.
- stveshdy

If visnovsky was in Anaheim...... I'd be tempted with mez, read, Laughton, 1st for Ryan and visnovsky.

If visnovsky was in Anaheim...... I'd be tempted with mez, read, Laughton, 1st for Ryan and visnovsky.
- moylander

What about that package for Ryan and Sbisa?

Everyone wants to trade For Bobby Ryan. I see Voracek being as good as Bobby Ryan very shortly. He may not be as good of a goal scorer at any point. But as a point producer and overall player, every bit as good if not better. Same for Schenn also.
- MJL

I agree that is why the Voracek ++(+) scenarios that some people on here keep coming up with are completely ridiculous!

voracek, read, and meszaros for ryan and 1 of (fowler/sbisa/vishnovsky)?

What about that package for Ryan and Sbisa?
- TheGreat28

I would make that deal not sure Anaheim would.

Read, Mez, 1st, Cousins for Ryan and Sbisa?

What about that package for Ryan and Sbisa?
- TheGreat28

wait....wasn't this the trade i was arguing for the whole time?

I would make that deal not sure Anaheim would.
- stveshdy

I doubt they would. They are really high on Sbisa. Man, I really hated giving him up.

I doubt they would. They are really high on Sbisa. Man, I really hated giving him up.
- TheGreat28

Sbisa is a solid young defenseman. The one defenseman the Flyers actually get right in years and he gets traded. Unbelieveable.

wait....wasn't this the trade i was arguing for the whole time?
- eshake

I thought you had more in it, like MAB and another first.

i'll buy that. but again, to make the trade "work" you need to send over the salary.

let's ask this other question. out of the following, who would you rather send the other way:

Grossman
Cobourn
Schenn
Mezaros
- eshake

They don't need to send over the salary to make the trade work. The Flyers have almost 7M to work with.

They don't need to send over the salary to make the trade work. The Flyers have almost 7M to work with.
- MJL

I think he means that Anaheim would need it to get to the floor. That's why I think a trade for Luby wouldn't work with NYI.

wait....wasn't this the trade i was arguing for the whole time?
- eshake

Sbisa was involved in the trade that you were discussing?

Sbisa was involved in the trade that you were discussing?
- MJL

Yeah, at one point someone suggested adding him to balance it, but I think the thread jumped to the merits of one Read, Matthew.

I think he means that Anaheim would need it to get to the floor. That's why I think a trade for Luby wouldn't work with NYI.
- TheGreat28

Regardless, I'm not including a player just to fill that need for them.

Sbisa was involved in the trade that you were discussing?
- MJL

no, i was just messing around .

obviously i would consider it a no brainer

I guess this weekend will determine the Phillies as seller's? They still think they have a chance?

I guess this weekend will determine the Phillies as seller's? They still think they have a chance?


- stveshdy

need to trade Charlie to the pigs for Sandberg

need to trade Charlie to the pigs for Sandberg
- Crimsoninja

holy poop enstrom extended?? That blows....he would have looked good in O&B next year, Damn we need there to be a few legitimate UFA defenseman next year to go after....scratch one from the list.