I'm growing tired of YOUR interpretation of Dan Cathy's statements.

- Doppleganger

That's my interpretation?




So he's not against gay marriage? What is he against? Smurfs marrying?

That's my interpretation?



- laughs2907

Yes yours. Do you expect Everyone to think like you do??? Should we all be Oiler Fans?

Yes yours. Do you expect Everyone to think like you do??? Should we all be Oiler Fans?
- Doppleganger

Of course not, but his statement was very obvious. I'm assuming that while in school, you didn't do too well in the reading comprehension sections...

Just out of curiosity... When he mentioned changing the way marriage was defined, what do you think he was referring to?

Always blame the people cleaning up the mess left for them.
Conservatives should just say thank you for the healthcare and concentrate on finding a candidate who has an IQ higher than the average household plant.
- Feeling Glucky?

Bush was blamed for 9/11 when Clintons policies directly lead to it, so you have a point there. FYI, I was a first term Bush supporter, but felt his second term was an absolute failure.

And what exactly has Obama cleaned up. He's spent money......poorly. And a lot of it.

I work in medicine....and all.....yes ALL of the doctors I work with, including the residents and fellows who are coming up the pipeline, hate this law. they are looking to move out of country or move into teaching position because of this law. so everybody who thinks this is so f ing great, didn't even come close to looking at the big picture. This isn't about health or care, it's about control.

No... What is unpopular depends on how racist/sexist/homophobic it is.

Freedom of speech doesn't extend to hate speech.
- Feeling Glucky?

Saying what he believes, when asked, isn't hate speech. He disagrees with what the gays are doing. He's allowed to do that. It's his god given right to disagree with something, someone, or a group of people. And you have a right to say he's wrong, and I have a right to say youre wrong.

He wasn't up there with a burning copy of a Village People album. He was asked a question and he answered it...honeslty. Since it's a polarizing issue, it turned into this public debate.

Lets face it, a good number in the gay community just LOVES to be outraged. Those people love to walk down the street in assless chaps and force their opinion for all to see in a public display. And a number of people in the community are disgused by their actions and would rather live a homosexual lifestyle in private.

I'm straight. You dont' see me going to P town or Key West kissing my girlfriend on the lips to show the gays how it's done. But its ok for them to spin it around and tell all of us that we're the ones who have a problem, and apparently an opinion that doesn't matter.

Their freedom of expression is OBVIOUSLY more important.

Saying what he believes, when asked, isn't hate speech. He disagrees with what the gays are doing. He's allowed to do that. It's his god given right to disagree with something, someone, or a group of people. And you have a right to say he's wrong, and I have a right to say youre wrong.

He wasn't up there with a burning copy of a Village People album. He was asked a question and he answered it...honeslty. Since it's a polarizing issue, it turned into this public debate.

Lets face it, a good number in the gay community just LOVES to be outraged. Those people love to walk down the street in assless chaps and force their opinion for all to see in a public display. And a number of people in the community are disgused by their actions and would rather live a homosexual lifestyle in private.

I'm straight. You dont' see me going to P town or Key West kissing my girlfriend on the lips to show the gays how it's done. But its ok for them to spin it around and tell all of us that we're the ones who have a problem, and apparently an opinion that doesn't matter.

Their freedom of expression is OBVIOUSLY more important.
- bruinsbeer69

While I admit that gay parades are annoying, and seeing them making out in public kinda weirds me out, it's their right to do that... Just like it's your right to slip your girlfriend the tongue. Straight people making out in public freaks me out too by the way.

I have yet to witness a gay person tell anyone that heterosexuality is wrong.

I'm growing tired of YOUR interpretation of Dan Cathy's statements.




It's like talking to a brick wall. You keep your "Spin" to yourself, I'll stick with the words he said.
- Doppleganger

You respond with something like this but yet think you somehow proved someone wrong LOL

Yes yours. Do you expect Everyone to think like you do??? Should we all be Oiler Fans?
- Doppleganger

You are arguing for the sake of arguing.

He is referring to anyone that thinks they can redefine what marriage is. This includes gays, or those that support gays. So technically you are right that he is not specifically targeting the gay community, but give me a break.

Also, in regards to his comments, does that mean that we shouldn't have challenged the church's opinion that the sun revolved around the earth, just because a group of people felt that those who challenged it would face God's wrath?

Please stop continuing this argument.. You are just trying to be annoying at this point.

- flamminghead

You are arguing for the sake of arguing.

He is referring to anyone that thinks they can redefine what marriage is. This includes gays, or those that support gays. So technically you are right that he is not specifically targeting the gay community, but give me a break.

Also, in regards to his comments, does that mean that we shouldn't have challenged the church's opinion that the sun revolved around the earth, just because a group of people felt that those who challenged it would face God's wrath?

Please stop continuing this argument.. You are just trying to be annoying at this point.
- mfreedman

You are correct...........BUT my friend laughs2907 , has been saying all along that Dan Cathy has singled out Gays.

He did not.

Recent polls in the USA show about 54% of Americans are in favour of same sex marriage..............so clearly Dan Cathy is referring to poll results when he says "our generation" or "our country" and is NOT singling out gays.....................unless my friend laughs2907 believes 54% of Americans are gay.

You respond with something like this but yet think you somehow proved someone wrong LOL
- jordan456789

So you claim to know what I think?

I'm simply illustrating that corresponding with my friend laughs2907 , is akin to talking to a brick wall.

laughs2907 will not acknowledge the actual words that are attributed to Dan Cathy, and insists on his made up version of the interview. He believes Dan Cathy singled out the Gay community but cannot provide a single shred of evidence.

He is so invested into his version of the facts, that he is unrelenting even the light of the evidence backed truth, facts and outright proof that dismisses his version the interview.

You are correct...........BUT my friend laughs2907 , has been saying all along that Dan Cathy has singled out Gays.

He did not.

Recent polls in the USA show about 54% of Americans are in favour of same sex marriage..............so clearly Dan Cathy is referring to poll results when he says "our generation" or "our country" and is NOT singling out gays.....................unless my friend laughs2907 believes 54% of Americans are gay.
- Doppleganger

Again, you are arguing for the sake of argument... You know what he meant

So you claim to know what I think?

I'm simply illustrating that corresponding with my friend laughs2907 , is akin to talking to a brick wall.

laughs2907 will not acknowledge the actual words that are attributed to Dan Cathy, and insists on his made up version of the interview. He believes Dan Cathy singled out the Gay community but cannot provide a single shred of evidence.

He is so invested into his version of the facts, that he is unrelenting even the light of the evidence backed truth, facts and outright proof that dismisses his version the interview.
- Doppleganger

If he had said that Dan Cathy has singled out supporters of gay marriage, would you have agreed?

This is so funny.............You tell me "learn to read".

Did you read the post of mine that you quoted??? (Friday @ 8:21 PM ET)


It contains this line

.I'm just defending Dan Cathy's and the Gay community for that matter, right to free speech,


Learn to read.........ROTFLMAO
- Doppleganger

Yes, you said that. But it's pretty clear you're not. You're arguing that the gay community shouldn't exercise it's right to protest, while encouraging the use of hate speech against them.

Maybe you don't think you're homophobic, but subconsciously, you're definitely acting in that manner.

Yes, you said that. But it's pretty clear you're not. You're arguing that the gay community shouldn't exercise it's right to protest, while encouraging the use of hate speech against them.

Maybe you don't think you're homophobic, but subconsciously, you're definitely acting in that manner.
- Feeling Glucky?

I disagree with this...

All he is being is annoying, not homophobic.. He is focusing on semantics rather than discussing the issue. He is just using word-play to make it so he is technically right.. I find the tactic rather annoying

Yes, you said that. But it's pretty clear you're not. You're arguing that the gay community shouldn't exercise it's right to protest, while encouraging the use of hate speech against them.

Maybe you don't think you're homophobic, but subconsciously, you're definitely acting in that manner.
- Feeling Glucky?

I should interject here that the right to free speech is protected under the first amendment, the same amendment that grants the right to associate for whatever reason. I posted as such a couple of pages ago, but Dopps didn't get back to me.

Maybe the first amendment needs an amendment.

If this whole discussion were about whether it's reasonable for society to cast aspersions on a business, and effect legislative change against it, simply because of the views of its CEO, that would be a fruitful discussion.

To get the ball rolling, I'll play devil's advocate here: Isn't Dan Cathy bringing woe upon his own business by preaching his own ethic as a 'company ethic'. He posits Chik Fil A as a "family company" and if I understand it correctly, the family he's referring to is the 'biblical interpretation of the family unit'. What impact does it have on a person's right to protest a company for the acts of an individual if that individual insists that his personal ethics cannot be extricated from the business' stance?

Yes, you said that. But it's pretty clear you're not. You're arguing that the gay community shouldn't exercise it's right to protest, while encouraging the use of hate speech against them.

Maybe you don't think you're homophobic, but subconsciously, you're definitely acting in that manner.
- Feeling Glucky?

You are unbelievable. You are now putting words in my mouth. I have never said anything that you are suggesting.

Find the quote and prove that you are not the liar that you are.

When you can't, then I'll expect an apology.

You stuck you foot in your mouth when you claimed I never supported the gay community's right to free speech, when you actually quoted my post in which I actually did exactly that. In doing so you proved you did not even bother to read my post.

And now you have again resorted to insulting me as you have no other recourse, which is the typical progressive tactic when on the losing end of a discussion.


IN the meantime here's reading.

NORTHRIDGE, Calif. — The sandwich that may swing the U.S. presidency gives you 430 calories for $3.29. It’s a deep-fried chunk of bird breast on a bun, garnished with lettuce and creamy sauce, the signature of a chain of fast food restaurants that you can’t find in Canada that calls itself Chick-fil-A.

Vacationing on the far coast from Washington, and up before dawn as always, I am digging into my yogurt parfait with crunchy granola topping at 6:30 in the smoggy morning when a dozen star-spangled patriots from across the San Fernando Valley position themselves and their “Don’t Tread On Me” flags on the sidewalk outside my table and immediately are set upon by television and radio babes and babblers from KCBS, KNBC, KCAL, KNBA, KNX, and KTLA.

“Beep your horn for liberty!” one of the chicks in the phalanx cries.

Why are all of us here this morning when we could be at the beach? The answer entwines religion, politics, pride and poultry in a patently American way.

A few weeks ago, a radio interviewer asked the CEO of Chick-fil-A for his views on same-sex unions and he replied that he thought that “we are inviting God’s judgment on our nation when we shake our fist at Him and say, ‘We know better than You what constitutes a marriage.’”

This provoked a flame-broiled reaction from many gays and lesbians and from the professional Left, including the mayor of San Francisco, who noted happily that none of the chain’s franchises stands within 40 miles of Castro Street and who added, rather menacingly, “I strongly recommend that they not try to come any closer.”

A man in Washington summed up the whole tempest by standing near a mobile Chick-fil-A lunch wagon with a sign that said: “My boyfriend used to love your waffle fries.”

The Right-of-Romney crowd then declared the Aug. 1 to be National Chick-fil-A Appreciation day, to be followed by National Same-Sex Kiss-In Day in front of the same locations on Friday, to be followed by a presidential election on Nov. 6 in which the marital rights of homosexuals figures to be a major, and perhaps the deciding, issue.

“I do not want establishments in my city that hold such discriminatory views,” raged the married lesbian who is likely to be the next mayor of New York.

“I urge you to back out of your plans to locate in Boston,” fumed the mayor of Beantown.

“Chick-fil-A’s values are not Chicago values,” ranted Rahm Emanuel, the Windy City’s new boss.

“Help us to fight for traditional values and eat chicken at the same time,” countered Rick Santorum, the charismatic conservative who nearly claimed the Republican nomination.

All of which explains why a man named Richard McEnroe — no relation to the famous tennis crybaby and commentator — is standing in the sunrise outside the Northridge chicken shack and telling me, “As long as they leave the chicken cutlet alone, they can kiss whatever they want.”

“It’s not about gays per se,” McEnroe declares. “It’s about bullying.”

“How would liberals feel if mayors outlawed Ben and Jerry’s because of THEIR political positions?” demanded another voice in the throng.

Indeed, the Vermont ice creamers once named a flavour “Hubby Hubby” and put a cartoon of two married dudes right on the carton.

In Northridge, the appreciators stand in the haze and wiggle their signs and munch on chicken and biscuits. I move on to another location in the town of Redlands and find the franchise overloaded with eager diners of all races and colours an hour before noon.

Inside are posters extolling the company’s commitment to “casting a deeper vision for marriage” and providing “stable, loving homes to hundreds of foster children,” a donation box for the Children’s Hunger Fund, and a quotation from the founder (and father of the current, controversial CEO): “Food Is Essential To Life; Therefore, Make It Good.”

Outside, I speak with a half-dozen customers. All of them aver that they have chosen Chick-fil-A for today’s lunch not from an anti-gay bias, but to demonstrate their bedrock commitment to freedom of speech. One is a woman named Jennifer Miller, a claims officer for an insurance company from the mellifluous suburb of Rancho Cucamonga.

“I support them because I support their right to choose what they support,” Miller says. “But I also believe in gay marriage. Everybody’s looking for a scapegoat. Chick-fil-A has always been open about their Christian beliefs. The executives all talk about how they are still married to their first wives and all. But I do wish they were open on Sunday.”

She quotes her first, current, and only husband: “You can’t change a Christian’s belief, any more than you can make a gay person straight.”

“Are YOU a Christian?” I ask her.

“I’m not anything,” Miller replies. “I have my own beliefs, just like Chick-fil-A does.”

She tells me that she is a “strong conservative,” and that she is eager to vote in November for “anyone but Obama.” But this does not mean that every American has to swallow the Bible on a bun.

“So many children are abused by so-called ‘traditional’ parents,” Miller says. “But then you see gay couples raising good kids, or Sandra Bullock adopting a child on her own. For me, it all boils down to one thing. It all boils down to love.”

Read more: http://www.ottawacitizen..../story.html#ixzz22ghCCl99

If he had said that Dan Cathy has singled out supporters of gay marriage, would you have agreed?
- mfreedman

But Dan Cathy did not say what the poster claimed, and I corrected him on that................but he'll have no part of the truth.

If and when me does that, I'll let you know then, as I don't care to comment on hypothetical scenarios.

And that is part of the point. People would be commenting of the actual words he said, instead of commenting on what they THINK he meant.

I'm sure he choose his word carefully as to NOT offend any one group of people. But there are "activists" out there for any number of special interest groups that scour the media looking for something that they can twist around the words, and give it their "spin" to further their cause.

You see this in politics all the time. And same sex marriage is no different of a political issue that any other. There will always be two sides to this issue for the foreseeable future.

I disagree with this...

All he is being is annoying, not homophobic.. He is focusing on semantics rather than discussing the issue. He is just using word-play to make it so he is technically right.. I find the tactic rather annoying
- mfreedman

Speaking only of the facts, and the actual words that came out of Dan Cathy's mouth, is NOT "word play or focusing on semantics ".

I should interject here that the right to free speech is protected under the first amendment, the same amendment that grants the right to associate for whatever reason. I posted as such a couple of pages ago, but Dopps didn't get back to me.

Maybe the first amendment needs an amendment.
- Morris

Perhaps is does................but until it is, each side of any given issue share the right to their opinions.

Perhaps is does................but until it is, each side of any given issue share the right to their opinions.
- Doppleganger

Absolutely. I have seen no one violating anyone else's first amendment rights, which is what I've been saying all along.

And I'm Canadian, but it seems to me the bill of rights is fine the way it is.

If this whole discussion were about whether it's reasonable for society to cast aspersions on a business, and effect legislative change against it, simply because of the views of its CEO, that would be a fruitful discussion.

To get the ball rolling, I'll play devil's advocate here: Isn't Dan Cathy bringing woe upon his own business by preaching his own ethic as a 'company ethic'. He posits Chik Fil A as a "family company" and if I understand it correctly, the family he's referring to is the 'biblical interpretation of the family unit'. What impact does it have on a person's right to protest a company for the acts of an individual if that individual insists that his personal ethics cannot be extricated from the business' stance?
- Morris

It is my understanding that Dan Cathy's view on any subject is his and his alone. Yes he does shutdown Chick fil a restaurants on Sundays, but the corporate policy is separate from his personal religious views. The restaurants serve and hire everyone and anyone equally..... as far as I know.