What if the Flyers offered Read and 2 1st for Ryan? I'm not sure what exactly Anaheim is looking for in a deal besides a center thats been rumored.

Then offer MAB, prospect, and 2 1st for Bogo.
- stveshdy

If anaheim did that, the gm should be fired.

- jak521

I understood the premise of the trade. Trading from an area of strength and depth to improve an area of weakness. On the surface it makes plenty of sense.

giving up four firsts and 3 players for two players isnt a wise idea in my eyes.
- jak521

Thats understandable. The four 1st get you two players who are proven NHL players.

You would be losing Read and MAB plus four 1st.

The Flyers don't seem to be far offer. Just wondering if they be willing to risk it for the return of Ryan and Bogo.

What if the Flyers offered Read and 2 1st for Ryan? I'm not sure what exactly Anaheim is looking for in a deal besides a center thats been rumored.

Then offer MAB, prospect, and 2 1st for Bogo.
- stveshdy

Personally, I wouldn't offer that for Ryan. The Flyers might, but I wouldn't.

I don't see the 4 1st rounders suddenly being in play, either. For Weber, sure. But not for other deals.

If anaheim did that, the gm should be fired.
- flyersfan51

That doesn't have to be the exact trade but somewhere to start.

Personally, I wouldn't offer that for Ryan. The Flyers might, but I wouldn't.

I don't see the 4 1st rounders suddenly being in play, either. For Weber, sure. But not for other deals.
- Jsaquella

That was my question. I was wondering if they would be okay with giving up 4 1st to acquire a scoring winger and defenseman.

Would you trade Read and 1st for Bogo?
- stveshdy

Yes, I would consider Read, MAB and a 1st for Bogo and a WPG 2nd.

Personally, I wouldn't offer that for Ryan. The Flyers might, but I wouldn't.

I don't see the 4 1st rounders suddenly being in play, either. For Weber, sure. But not for other deals.
- Jsaquella

I agree. Weber is a special player. None of the others mentioned so far are close to his caliber. Keep the team together and evaluate down the road, unless the deal is too good to pass up, of course. And besides the weber OS, I haven't seen a proposal that's made me jump out of my chair yet.

That was my question. I was wondering if they would be okay with giving up 4 1st to acquire a scoring winger and defenseman.
- stveshdy

I think Weber was just a special circumstance, the opportunity to land an elite player without losing from the roster.

That was my question. I was wondering if they would be okay with giving up 4 1st to acquire a scoring winger and defenseman.
- stveshdy

Only if there is someone they truly desire. Don't pull out all the stops to acquire someone now just because they struck out 3 times so far. That's my stance right now.

Personally, I wouldn't offer that for Ryan. The Flyers might, but I wouldn't.

I don't see the 4 1st rounders suddenly being in play, either. For Weber, sure. But not for other deals.
- Jsaquella

Honestly, if it were me it would take a lot to trade next years 1st.

I think Weber was just a special circumstance, the opportunity to land an elite player without losing from the roster.
- Jsaquella

I think Homer would like to upgrade without giving up any big assets but inorder to do that they would have to offer up picks and prospects.

Only if there is someone they truly desire. Don't pull out all the stops to acquire someone now just because they struck out 3 times so far. That's my stance right now.
- funmaster18

I would think the Flyers desire to get Bobby Ryan is real. They continue to have talks and try to see if they can acquire him. As far as the defenseman goes I'm not totally sure.

Hey I got a question for you guys it might be a little stupid in some sense and might run on but was the offer sheet they gave to weber also crippling to the flyers ? I only ask because I wonder had they front loaded it just a bit more would nash have matched it or do you think it wouldnt have made a difference because i would say you guys came pretty close to getting him

Depends on how valuable you feel he is.

To me the group we have now is a very solid group.

Hartnell-Grioux-Voracek
Simmonds-Briere-Schenn
Read-Couturier-Wellwood
Rusty-Talbot-Rinaldo/Sestito

Timonen-Schenn
Coburn-Grossmann
Meszy-Gusty/Gervais
- jak521

lol, Schenn, was # 6 on the leafs horrid Blue line last year...His ice time was around 15 mins or less most games....not too sure you should be slotting him into a #1 or 2 spot!.

His foot speed and first pass are horrific.....And while he was among the league leader for hits, most of the time he puts him self out of possition creating quality scoring chances for the opponent.

Schenn definitely has potential to become a steady stay at home defenseman, but right now he is no where close....this will be one trade the Flyers will regret making

Bill,
You obviously didn't watch a lot of Jet games this past year. Bogo was argueably our best all around defenseman. He had limited PP time and was very snake-bitten with goal posts/crossbars. I can remember at least 10 times he rung the iron this past year. If even half of those go in, his numbers look way better. People in the Peg' know his real value and he is the one untouchable in our ranks. I predict him to have a real breakout year offensively. Huddy has been gold with this kid. The previous defensive coach in Atlanta, (can't remember name), had a personality conflict with Bogo and it really translated to his play. Comparing his development curve and play to Schenn is simply wrong.
- Icebergs

1) Schenn and Bogo are different styled defensemen. The latter is more offensive-minded, while Schenn is pretty strictly stay-at-home.

2) I saw enough of Winnipeg games to see that Bogo's learning curve is still ongoing and he still gets out of position fairly frequently through errors of over-aggression (which I prefer to errors of indecision and passivity).

3) The blog said he showed signs of turning the corner. He's right about where Coburn was at the end of the 2006-07 season -- you expect next year to be the breakthrough year, but it's still a projection.

4) Bogosian is not untouchable. Very few players truly are. Now, he may be CLOSE, but untouchable means that he's so valuable there's no conceivable trade in which he'd be available.

5) Bogo is being used as an example of the type of player I think the Flyers should target -- clear-cut upside, youth but inconsistency. Right now, Pietrangelo, Doughty and Karlsson are a big jump up from Bogo's current level of play.... just a fact. THOSE guys are untouchable.

David Strehle ‏@David_Strehle

Agent Petr Svoboda has confirmed to me via email that RFA winger Jakub Voracek has indeed signed a new contract with the #Flyers.

What if the Flyers offered Read and 2 1st for Ryan? I'm not sure what exactly Anaheim is looking for in a deal besides a center thats been rumored.

Then offer MAB, prospect, and 2 1st for Bogo.
- stveshdy

Why would we do this? Enough is enough in my opinion.

It seems we are still in this "must make a trade" mentality.

Any additions they make should be in FA or not at all. Bank the cap space, let these kids continue their development, and add a piece at the deadline if you need it.

Hey I got a question for you guys it might be a little stupid in some sense and might run on but was the offer sheet they gave to weber also crippling to the flyers ? I only ask because I wonder had they front loaded it just a bit more would nash have matched it or do you think it wouldnt have made a difference because i would say you guys came pretty close to getting him
- blizzzard

The Flyers are not only a very profitable team-they made over $70mm just in ticket revenue last year-but are also owned by a massive corporation that has never balked at their spending.

lol, Schenn, was # 6 on the leafs horrid Blue line last year...His ice time was around 15 mins or less most games....not too sure you should be slotting him into a #1 or 2 spot!.

His foot speed and first pass are horrific.....And while he was among the league leader for hits, most of the time he puts him self out of possition creating quality scoring chances for the opponent.

Schenn definitely has potential to become a steady stay at home defenseman, but right now he is no where close....this will be one trade the Flyers will regret making
- billyberg10

that's the only spot for him -- you don't want to put him with Meszaros on the third pair. You need to put him with a talented/experience defensemen.

David Strehle ‏@David_Strehle
Agent Petr Svoboda has confirmed to me via email that RFA winger Jakub Voracek has indeed signed a new contract with the #Flyers.
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David Strehle ‏@David_Strehle

Agent Petr Svoboda has confirmed to me via email that RFA winger Jakub Voracek has indeed signed a new contract with the #Flyers.
- Jsaquella

Damn its...your internet is faster than mine lol

If anaheim did that, the gm should be fired.
- flyersfan51

I disagree. Read and 2 1st rd picks is too much for Ryan.

Depends on how valuable you feel he is.

To me the group we have now is a very solid group.

Hartnell-Grioux-Voracek
Simmonds-Briere-Schenn
Read-Couturier-Wellwood
Rusty-Talbot-Rinaldo/Sestito

Timonen-Schenn
Coburn-Grossmann
Meszy-Gusty/Gervais
- jak521

dispite what you think or Holmgren says, the flyers clearly are not happy with the current group. They have thrown a lot of money around for a happy team

I think Holmgren sold low on JVR, that said I'm willing to give Luke Schenn a chance. If both players reach their potential it will be a good trade for both teams.
- PLindbergh31

we hope so, but my point is that we are still looking for a certain type of dman after using an significant asset, so...