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flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
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Jul 26 @ 7:07 PM ET
Every season as a Flyer will be.
- Flyskippy

I understand what you are getting at.

However if he has another season like the last, filled with inconsistency and unable to handle the distractions does the organization continue to roll the dice with him?
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Jul 26 @ 7:08 PM ET

- bodiva88

Well fixed.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jul 26 @ 7:08 PM ET
I will admit, with everything that happened, I am not really a fan of Bryzgalov.

Is this a make or break it season for him?

- flyer_nutter

its his fault you poop all over yourself the other day too.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Jul 26 @ 7:08 PM ET
I understand what you are getting at.

However if he has another season like the last, filled with inconsistency and unable to handle the distractions does the organization continue to roll the dice with him?

- flyer_nutter


Won't matter. Brad will take care of him, Jsaq-in-a-Comcast-van style.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Jul 26 @ 7:09 PM ET
its his fault you poop all over yourself the other day too.
- JoeRussomanno


Whoa...! I don't think we need to bring up that.

(I have no idea what this is in regards to)
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jul 26 @ 7:10 PM ET
I understand what you are getting at.

However if he has another season like the last, filled with inconsistency and unable to handle the distractions does the organization continue to roll the dice with him?

- flyer_nutter

he finished under his career gaa and close to his career save %. Considering this team wasn't able to post a shutout with a better defensive lineup the year before and he put up about 6 iirc, I'd say he was okay and not the sum of all fears.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jul 26 @ 7:10 PM ET
Whoa...! I don't think we need to bring up that.

(I have no idea what this is in regards to)

- Flyskippy

his words not mine
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Jul 26 @ 7:11 PM ET
Whoa...! I don't think we need to bring up that.

(I have no idea what this is in regards to)

- Flyskippy


From Monday's blog.

Off topic, big time. Also a little raunchy but since nobody here really knows me here it goes. MUST READ.

Have you ever had really bad food poisoning? Well this morning I got sent out to do a few lawns (work for Weedman), in a town roughly 40 minutes away. On the way my stomach started to get crazy pains, and I felt like throwing up but thought I would just get through it.

Within 5 minutes of town I knew there was danger. I sped toward the nearest gas station and ran inside, looking for the nearest bathroom. I spent 30 minutes in there, and waged a battle of epic proportions. Threw up once as well.

I figured it was all over, and while I felt weak decided to get started with my day. 5 minutes into the first customers house it happened again. However this time I had no muscle control and no time to even get to the truck. It just hit me. So in my haste, while trying to remove my belt there was mass leakage into my work pants, and furthermore on to the customers lawn.

The guy just happened to come home at that time, however I do not think he noticed or knew what had happened. I quickly told him I felt too sick, and was unable to do his lawn today.

A 40 minute drive back to Winnipeg sitting in my shame and fecal matter.

Happy Monday.
- flyer_nutter

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flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Jul 26 @ 7:12 PM ET
he finished under his career gaa and close to his career save %. Considering this team wasn't able to post a shutout with a better defensive lineup the year before and he put up about 6 iirc, I'd say he was okay and not the sum of all fears.
- JoeRussomanno


Way too many weak goals. I'm not going to go into how he played last season, its well known.

I am just curious though, if he has another inconsistent outing, and has trouble with the off-ice distractions does the organization just stick with their guy?
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jul 26 @ 7:14 PM ET
Way too many weak goals. I'm not going to go into how he played last season, its well known.

I am just curious though, if he has another inconsistent outing, and has trouble with the off-ice distractions does the organization just stick with their guy?

- flyer_nutter

I guess by this logic Ryan Miller is done in Buffalo.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Jul 26 @ 7:17 PM ET
I guess by this logic Ryan Miller is done in Buffalo.
- JoeRussomanno


Miller has proven himself more than Bryzgalov imo.

In the olympics, and has handled the market/fans of Buffalo. Has also been the guy to keep the Sabres afloat for periods at a time.

The only reason why Buffalo managed to stay in their last series against the Flyers was because of Miller.

Bryzgalov has done great things.. With Phoenix, and in a Phoenix market. I dont want to get into a bashing Bryz thing, I hope he does well. However if he has another similar season does the organization stick with him?
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 12.14.2011

Jul 26 @ 7:20 PM ET
Miller has proven himself more than Bryzgalov imo.

In the olympics, and has handled the market/fans of Buffalo. Has also been the guy to keep the Sabres afloat for periods at a time.

The only reason why Buffalo managed to stay in their last series against the Flyers was because of Miller.

Bryzgalov has done great things.. With Phoenix, and in a Phoenix market. I dont want to get into a bashing Bryz thing, I hope he does well. However if he has another similar season does the organization stick with him?

- flyer_nutter

who gives a (frank) about the olympics.

Bryzgalov also gave the Flyers a chance to beat New Jersey in their series.

So now we can arbitrarily assign praise and indictments based on the market of a club? Oh btw Bryzgalov was named player of the month in the most important month of the NHL regular season while playing in Philadelphia but that doesn;t matter, because it would totally undermine all his critics.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jul 26 @ 7:22 PM ET
he finished under his career gaa and close to his career save %. Considering this team wasn't able to post a shutout with a better defensive lineup the year before and he put up about 6 iirc, I'd say he was okay and not the sum of all fears.
- JoeRussomanno

he didn't meet homers expectation, so I'll roll w/ that.

that you would give briere the leeway you give bryz
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Jul 26 @ 7:22 PM ET
Way too many weak goals. I'm not going to go into how he played last season, its well known.

I am just curious though, if he has another inconsistent outing, and has trouble with the off-ice distractions does the organization just stick with their guy?

- flyer_nutter


He played well from January until he broke his foot. I'm not faulting just him for their playoffs ouster. They did win a round, after all, against the heavily-favored (by everyone not in Philadelphia) Penguins.

He knows he needs to play better than he did, but when he was healthy and settled in (January - March), he was on.

I'm not afraid of the goaltending this season. I'm concerned about the forwards leaving the D high and dry like they did versus NJ in the playoffs.

I find it hilarious that everyone's glooming and dooming the Flyers when the Devils and Penguins took hits to their rosters and the Rangers added an offensive guy only to have him play under defensive-minded Tortorella. I don't think that will reap the immediate results everyone thinks - and I don't mean just in October.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 10.16.2008

Jul 26 @ 7:24 PM ET
who gives a (frank) about the olympics.
Bryzgalov also gave the Flyers a chance to beat New Jersey in their series.

So now we can arbitrarily assign praise and indictments based on the market of a club? Oh btw Bryzgalov was named player of the month in the most important month of the NHL regular season while playing in Philadelphia but that doesn;t matter, because it would totally undermine all his critics.

- JoeRussomanno


Actually most people outside of the USA do...

I'm not getting into bashing Bryzgalov. Ill ask you specifically though. If Bryzgalov repeats his performance last season, of being largely inconsistent for the most part and allowing far too many weak goals. Does the organization simply continue to stick with their man? Or to phrase it better, would you?
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Jul 26 @ 7:24 PM ET
I guess by this logic Ryan Miller is done in Buffalo.
- JoeRussomanno


The following is brought to you by Ryan Miller:

Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jul 26 @ 7:25 PM ET
I guess by this logic Ryan Miller is done in Buffalo.
- JoeRussomanno

JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 12.14.2011

Jul 26 @ 7:25 PM ET
he didn't meet homers expectation, so I'll roll w/ that.

that you would give briere the leeway you give bryz

- isaiah520

He still finished under his carerr gaa so I don't know what exactly was homer expecting.

Briere and Bryzgalov don't play the same position. however like I criticize briere for his contributions to the other team's point total I do criticize Bryzgalov for getting out of focus. I think he needs to work on that and will. IF not then he will receive criticism from for it. I'm not going to hold him all that accountable when players like Stamkos and staal are left all alone to his blindside to slam home a pass either.

edit: I would like to also point out that the last I had discussed briere was I feel the coach needs to utilize him in a manner that minimizes his weakness while still capitalizing on his strengths. His plus/minus has been awful under lavy, and I like lavy.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Jul 26 @ 7:26 PM ET
he didn't meet homers expectation, so I'll roll w/ that.

that you would give briere the leeway you give bryz

- isaiah520


Amen. The Flyers are my team. As long as the guys are wearing the flying P, they're on MY team. It's been awfully rare I was unhappy with a guy on my team, but I still want him to do well (until he is unloaded for picks).
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Jul 26 @ 7:29 PM ET
Amen. The Flyers are my team. As long as the guys are wearing the flying P, they're on MY team. It's been awfully rare I was unhappy with a guy on my team, but I still want him to do well (until he is unloaded for picks).
- Flyskippy


I have to admit, I dont know what it is but for the past few seasons its been hard for me to get into them as much as I did in the past or to not criticize.

Maybe its just me but they are insanely frustrating at times. Crazy highs and crazy lows. The possible lockout doesn't help.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jul 26 @ 7:30 PM ET
Actually most people outside of the USA do...

I'm not getting into bashing Bryzgalov. Ill ask you specifically though. If Bryzgalov repeats his performance last season, of being largely inconsistent for the most part and allowing far too many weak goals. Does the organization simply continue to stick with their man? Or to phrase it better, would you?

- flyer_nutter

Well hate to break it to you, but Philadelphia is in the USA so end of discussion.

Oh no you're just sitting here arbitrarily pointing out his negatives and giving no thought to his positives, that's not bashing at all. Largely inconsistent for most of the season? Well let's see if that were true which it wasn't, because it's been illustrated ad nauseaum how he was one of the better goaltenders in the second half, then maybe that'd be a legitimate question. however I'll entertain your question, I expect him to post equal or better numbers going forward, however we need to see how this team plays as well.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jul 26 @ 7:34 PM ET
He still finished under his carerr gaa so I don't know what exactly was homer expecting.

Briere and Bryzgalov don't play the same position. however like I criticize briere for his contributions to the other team's point total I do criticize Bryzgalov for getting out of focus. I think he needs to work on that and will. IF not then he will receive criticism from for it. I'm not going to hold him all that accountable when players like Stamkos and staal are left all alone to his blindside to slam home a pass either.

- JoeRussomanno

homer was expecting the .920 sv % that bryz played up to 3 out of 4 yrs in PHO...that and much better consistency.

I like his chances to bounce back this yr, but I won't judge w/ bryz colored glasses.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Jul 26 @ 7:34 PM ET
who gives a (frank) about the olympics.

Bryzgalov also gave the Flyers a chance to beat New Jersey in their series.

So now we can arbitrarily assign praise and indictments based on the market of a club? Oh btw Bryzgalov was named player of the month in the most important month of the NHL regular season while playing in Philadelphia but that doesn;t matter, because it would totally undermine all his critics.

- JoeRussomanno


One thing alot of people forget about Bryz is that he also has won a cup with Anaheim. Giguere took that playoff run home, butwhen Giguere's son was sick, Bryz took the reigns in the second round and beat Edmonton as I remember, and played really well. Mark my words, there will be little fanfare around Bryz this season, and he will be more comfortable with the team etc... He will play well, and people will still complain everytime he gives up a goal...
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Jul 26 @ 7:37 PM ET
Well hate to break it to you, but Philadelphia is in the USA so end of discussion.
Oh no you're just sitting here arbitrarily pointing out his negatives and giving no thought to his positives, that's not bashing at all. Largely inconsistent for most of the season? Well let's see if that were true which it wasn't, because it's been illustrated ad nauseaum how he was one of the better goaltenders in the second half, then maybe that'd be a legitimate question. however I'll entertain your question, I expect him to post equal or better numbers going forward, however we need to see how this team plays as well.

- JoeRussomanno


There is a large amount of Flyer fans that are outside of the USA, so I am going to ignore that comment . I could care less if those fans in Philadelphia do not take anything that happens in international hockey seriously. This is the same country where there is a huge rise in people buying guns for "protection" after the theatre shootings. So you will excuse me in not basing my posts purely on the norms of the USA.

Like you, I truly hope he does well. If not him then Leighton or whoever is between the pipes. My question was purely speculative, if he doesn't do well, and is as inconsistent as he was last season does the organization continue to stick with him.

It is true I only pointed out his negatives. I'm not going to sing kum-bah-yah after every negative thing said. Or give a positive after every negative. Too much political correctness bs in the world and not enough people being blunt.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 12.14.2011

Jul 26 @ 7:40 PM ET
homer was expecting the .920 sv % that bryz played up to 3 out of 4 yrs in PHO...that and much better consistency.

I like his chances to bounce back this yr, but I won't judge w/ bryz colored glasses.

- isaiah520

I don't know how I have bryz colored glasses. Homer never said as far as I know what exactly he expected. .909 isn't that far off from .920 it's a hundredth of a decimal. His save % wasn't great but it wasn't terrible either.
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