Jets will never trade bogo
- duckyjets

What about Enstrom?

Jets will never trade bogo
- duckyjets

Never say never. Another season limited by injuries to 65 games, another double-digit minus season, a disagreement over salary in next summer's RFA negotiations and that picture can change in a hurry. Bogo is still far from a sure thing to max out his potential.

Actually most contenders do minors weeks as they have their team already
- Bieksa#3

I agree definately.

While I do like the future of this team, if I will be completely honest with myself I cant see the Flyers winning without one or two more elite d-men.

Once Kimmo departs, it gets damn thin. So while letting the kids get ice time, and develop is a a must, a warhorse on the back end will eventually have to be there imo.

Through the draft, FA or a trade.

For the present time I would look at a guy like Mark Streit. For the future there are guys like Bogosian, OEL, Rundblad, Fowler, Shattenkirk, Hickey and Subban. How available they are is another question. At the same time so is the eventual career these guys will have.

I completely agree with you.

While elite defenders are tough to find, you can still put a very solid top 4 on the ice without a true, elite number one.

Finding that top line, elite center however, is another story.
You almost need to win the lottery and get a top 2-3 pick, or win the lottery by having a lesser draft pick's production explode to find that top line center.
- kingcong39

flyers got lucky...in 2 years they will have better versions of richards and carter...book it.

Jets will never trade bogo
- duckyjets

Never say never. Another season limited by injuries to 65 games, another double-digit minus season, a disagreement over salary in next summer's RFA negotiations and that picture can change in a hurry. Bogo is still far from a sure thing to max out his potential.

I think they are confident having Luke and Brayden play together will help them both flourish.
- funmaster18

Luke is still a kid and will learn to become a better pro.......I just don`t think you can teach Foot speed.

It will be interesting to watch how both JVR and Schenn Adjust to their new teams. I hope it works out for everyone. It was a good `hockey`trade

I saw a quote by him saying something like, "I know the flyers are looking to add a big name this offseason, but I'm going to take a roster spot this season"
- funmaster18

I like Gustafsson. I think he can be a decent 3rd pairing player. The big question can he be consistent enough over the course of an entire season?

What about Enstrom?
- stveshdy

I live in the city.

While as Bill says no player is untouchable there is a big catch. The Jets know they have to develop their team through the draft. Attracting free agents will be hard.

They will do their damn hardest to keep their talent. Even a guy like Enstrom. If the Flyers will want Bogosian they will have to overpay. Book on it.

Read, MAB/Gus, and a 1st is all I envision Homer offering for Ryan.

Jake isn't going anywhere and that makes me happy.

So...Voracek signs for 4 years at 4.25 per.

He will be traded by the time September gets here.

Luke is still a kid and will learn to become a better pro.......I just don`t think you can teach Foot speed.

It will be interesting to watch how both JVR and Schenn Adjust to their new teams. I hope it works out for everyone. It was a good `hockey`trade
- billyberg10

As a defenseman, he can certainly learn and be taught better footwork, positioning, and anticipation and reading of plays. Which sometimes all it takes is time and experience.

Read, MAB/Gus, and a 1st is all I envision Homer offering for Ryan.

Jake isn't going anywhere and that makes me happy.
- LordStanley88

As it stands, I would rather keep EVERY asset the Flyers have unless they are trading for promising young d-men or someone who is already established.

That includes any picks.

I live in the city.

While as Bill says no player is untouchable there is a big catch. The Jets know they have to develop their team through the draft. Attracting free agents will be hard.

They will do their damn hardest to keep their talent. Even a guy like Enstrom. If the Flyers will want Bogosian they will have to overpay. Book on it.
- flyer_nutter

Homer will make plenty of phone calls before the summer is over.

The problem is you don't want to accept the potential as a player that Luke Schenn has. While he may not have the all around potential that a player like Bogoasian has. Luke Schenn has the potential to grow into a top pairing defensive physical defenseman. And that's a very important player to a team.

And I also don't know where your getting this idea that anyone has anointed any Flyers players as a "sacred cow"

Having JVR wouldn't in the least change what deal I would be willing to include B Schenn in.
- MJL

lack of foresight was the take home message, not the shortcomings of L schenn. the fact that Bill is still posting about needing a dman after we made a significant move for one is telling enuf. the suggestion that we needed a guy before last yr and/or that we move a young forward named schenn has caught me a share of hell on this board.

that final comment makes zero sense...not in the least? you roll w/ that...

bottom line- I'd rather have JVR and bogo than the schenns

flyers need to stand pat......worse come to worse we get a higher draft pick next year

I live in the city.

While as Bill says no player is untouchable there is a big catch. The Jets know they have to develop their team through the draft. Attracting free agents will be hard.

They will do their damn hardest to keep their talent. Even a guy like Enstrom. If the Flyers will want Bogosian they will have to overpay. Book on it.
- flyer_nutter

Bogosian isn't going to be traded, Bill.

Getting him is a pipe dream, and he will soon be an all-star d-man IMO.

I agree that we should target guys like him, but I don't think he's a realistic target by any stretch of the imagination.

If I were Homer, I'd check the asking price on Seabrook. Chicago is craving offensive depth.

lack of foresight was the take home message, not the shortcomings of L schenn. the fact that Bill is still posting about needing a dman after we made a significant move for one is telling enuf. the suggestion that we needed a guy before last yr and/or that we move a young forward named schenn has caught me a share of hell on this board.

that final comment makes zero sense...not in the least? you roll w/ that...

bottom line- I'd rather have JVR and bogo than the schenns
- isaiah520

Sorry in my eyes B schenn > JVR... Ask any toronto fan who they would rather have. Bogo and L schenn thats tough they both have their issues.

As it stands, I would rather keep EVERY asset the Flyers have unless they are trading for promising young d-men or someone who is already established.

That includes any picks.
- flyer_nutter

Well, I would do that for Ryan but no more.

Sorry in my eyes B schenn > JVR... Ask any toronto fan who they would rather have.
- Philly1980

But Bogo > Luke by a pretty good margin IMO in terms of value right now.

Luke is still a kid and will learn to become a better pro.......I just don`t think you can teach Foot speed.

It will be interesting to watch how both JVR and Schenn Adjust to their new teams. I hope it works out for everyone. It was a good `hockey`trade
- billyberg10

Me too. I'd like to see JVR become who he was projected to be. Same with Schenn. It would really benefit both teams and fill holes they had. Unfortunately both are incomplete at this time, but sometimes all it takes is a change of scenery to get you going.

As it stands, I would rather keep EVERY asset the Flyers have unless they are trading for promising young d-men or someone who is already established.

That includes any picks.
- flyer_nutter

Agreed. Weber was an exception as he is the best defenseman in the world and worth almost anything.

As for Suter and Parise, I was very happy to see those two black hole contracts weren't coming our way.

The Flyers best bet is to let the kids grow together, and hand out a bunch of above average contracts to good players instead of paying 2 or 3 guys max hits and gutting the rest of the roster.

We don't need Ryan. He is a lateral move in many of the deals being thrown out there.

Keep the picks. Keep the talented young kids. Draft better defensemen, keep the pipeline going.

As a defenseman, he can certainly learn and be taught better footwork, positioning, and anticipation and reading of plays. Which sometimes all it takes is time and experience.
- MJL

Agreed. It's not as if Weber is a great skater.

1) Schenn and Bogo are different styled defensemen. The latter is more offensive-minded, while Schenn is pretty strictly stay-at-home.

2) I saw enough of Winnipeg games to see that Bogo's learning curve is still ongoing and he still gets out of position fairly frequently through errors of over-aggression (which I prefer to errors of indecision and passivity).

3) The blog said he showed signs of turning the corner. He's right about where Coburn was at the end of the 2006-07 season -- you expect next year to be the breakthrough year, but it's still a projection.

4) Bogosian is not untouchable. Very few players truly are. Now, he may be CLOSE, but untouchable means that he's so valuable there's no conceivable trade in which he'd be available.

5) Bogo is being used as an example of the type of player I think the Flyers should target -- clear-cut upside, youth but inconsistency. Right now, Pietrangelo, Doughty and Karlsson are a big jump up from Bogo's current level of play.... just a fact. THOSE guys are untouchable.
- bmeltzer

Superb breakdown of the differences. Myers with a good year could jump into that top group. How can you tell their pedigree? Look at the length and dollars of contracts they got as 21 year olds. Hard to believe that LA and Ottawa gave contracts to their top Dmen that are nearly double the contract given Giroux by the Flyers. It supports the value that both Holgren and Poile placed on Weber.

But Bogo > Luke by a pretty good margin IMO in terms of value right now.
- LordStanley88

His offense is better but his defense is worse than L schenn.

Mark Giordano is a guy I would love to add to this group... Signed for four more year at 4 mil. Does everything well..