I would think the Flyers desire to get Bobby Ryan is real. They continue to have talks and try to see if they can acquire him. As far as the defenseman goes I'm not totally sure.
- stveshdy

I'm not that interested in him if the suggested asking price is 2+ players and draft picks.

Damn its...your internet is faster than mine lol
- Philly1980

I work for Comcast.

lol, Schenn, was # 6 on the leafs horrid Blue line last year...His ice time was around 15 mins or less most games....not too sure you should be slotting him into a #1 or 2 spot!.

His foot speed and first pass are horrific.....And while he was among the league leader for hits, most of the time he puts him self out of possition creating quality scoring chances for the opponent.

Schenn definitely has potential to become a steady stay at home defenseman, but right now he is no where close....this will be one trade the Flyers will regret making
- billyberg10

Its all about finding the correct players to compliment each other.

Schenn-Gervais would be a mistake.

Last year we had Bourdon playing with Matt Carle.. doesnt mean Bourdon is a #2. Schenn would benefit from playing with a guy like Timonen.

Why would we do this? Enough is enough in my opinion.

It seems we are still in this "must make a trade" mentality.

Any additions they make should be in FA or not at all. Bank the cap space, let these kids continue their development, and add a piece at the deadline if you need it.
- MBFlyerfan

Just a question on whether the Flyers would be okay to get rid of those 4 1st rounders for players. I'm not saying they should or have to do it. I was just asking if people thought that was an option.

I work for Comcast.
- Jsaquella

nice.....

I'm not that interested in him if the suggested asking price is 2+ players and draft picks.
- funmaster18

Apparently Paul Holmgren is very interested in Ryan. I'm not suggesting what exactly he will do but its obvious to me they like him alot.

dispite what you think or Holmgren says, the flyers clearly are not happy with the current group. They have thrown a lot of money around for a happy team
- Bieksa#3

Most teams wanting to win a cup bid for the top players available in free agency

dispite what you think or Holmgren says, the flyers clearly are not happy with the current group. They have thrown a lot of money around for a happy team
- Bieksa#3

There is a distinct difference with being happy with what you have, but still wanting to improve, and not being happy and needing to improve.

I think any logical fan would agree that improving your team is a good thing. Continuing with logical thought, just because you are trying to get a star player doesnt mean you are unhappy with your current group.

Apparently Paul Holmgren is very interested in Ryan. I'm not suggesting what exactly he will do but its obvious to me they like him alot.
- stveshdy

For the right price so am I. But I don't like the trade proposals I've seen so far.

so maybe...

I had a point when last yr at this time I was interested in pursuing a young dman w/ the kind of upside like bogo. pronger had come off of 3 surgeries, kimmo was coming off the usual late season fade and both carle and coby were going to be FAs.

we might have held on to the JVR asset to aim a little higher for a return...or having JVR we would feel more comfortable moving a guy like B schenn if need be to get the dman.

we might be a little hesitant to anoint plyrs outside of giroux as sacred cows that can't be moved, lest collective apoplexy ensues. if the flyers had potential top 4 dmen w/ the skill set that would complement what we have, it would be a different story, but they don't and it's been decades since they shown the propensity to successfully draft them.

maybe...
- isaiah520

The problem is you don't want to accept the potential as a player that Luke Schenn has. While he may not have the all around potential that a player like Bogoasian has. Luke Schenn has the potential to grow into a top pairing defensive physical defenseman. And that's a very important player to a team.

And I also don't know where your getting this idea that anyone has anointed any Flyers players as a "sacred cow"

Having JVR wouldn't in the least change what deal I would be willing to include B Schenn in.

Why would we do this? Enough is enough in my opinion.

It seems we are still in this "must make a trade" mentality.

Any additions they make should be in FA or not at all. Bank the cap space, let these kids continue their development, and add a piece at the deadline if you need it.
- MBFlyerfan

They made the offers for Weber, Parise & Suter because they are Elite or near elite level guys that could have been had for nothing off the roster.

If Holmgren was willing to trade Couturier, Schenn, Simmonds or Voracek, I'm sure that Bobby Ryan would be a Flyer now. Or that Shea Weber would be. But he wasn't.

I disagree. Read and 2 1st rd picks is too much for Ryan.
- jstross

wow.....ok. a guy who hasn't scored less than 30 goals every season in NHL vs. a rookie who scored 20 something.....with the potential to due that every year......come on.

It seems Weber will be in Nashville for life..

No matter what the Flyers do, I cant see them finding a #1 d-man this season or the next.

Guys like Bogosian will need to take time to grow into that role, and its just as likely they wont reach that upper ceiling. Its a huge risk as it is. Even a guy like Enstrom for example.

I'm glad I am not Holmgren. #1 elite d-men are hard to find.

Great deal Jake!

The Flyers are not only a very profitable team-they made over $70mm just in ticket revenue last year-but are also owned by a massive corporation that has never balked at their spending.
- Jsaquella

Well that is what I thought so i was wondering why did they not front load it a bit more or a lot more as a fan I would be a little frustrated especially since alot of the flyers fans where pretty pumped with good reason about it I mean had they made it 30 mil in the first year or whatever you feel would get it done why not do that or is that as far as they could take it without getting into some sort of trouble with the league or is that more then the flyers wanted to pay for one year now im rambling lol

Apparently Paul Holmgren is very interested in Ryan. I'm not suggesting what exactly he will do but its obvious to me they like him alot.
- stveshdy

Sure he's interested. He knows the kid's dad and probably the player himself very well. He's also a big, physical winger that can score a lot of goals.

But he's also not going to cut off his nose to spite his face in landing Ryan.

For the right price so am I. But I don't like the trade proposals I've seen so far.
- funmaster18

I think the Flyers agree with you or Ryan would be here already. I still think Homer tries to work out a deal for him before the summer is out.

lol, Schenn, was # 6 on the leafs horrid Blue line last year...His ice time was around 15 mins or less most games....not too sure you should be slotting him into a #1 or 2 spot!.

His foot speed and first pass are horrific.....And while he was among the league leader for hits, most of the time he puts him self out of possition creating quality scoring chances for the opponent.

Schenn definitely has potential to become a steady stay at home defenseman, but right now he is no where close....this will be one trade the Flyers will regret making
- billyberg10

so which of Franson and Komi are ahead of Schenn? I mean I notice schenn has way more games played then both

Well that is what I thought so i was wondering why did they not front load it a bit more or a lot more as a fan I would be a little frustrated especially since alot of the flyers fans where pretty pumped with good reason about it I mean had they made it 30 mil in the first year or whatever you feel would get it done why not do that or is that as far as they could take it without getting into some sort of trouble with the league or is that more then the flyers wanted to pay for one year now im rambling lol
- blizzzard

The absolute most they could have front loaded it is $14.4mm a year under the current CBA. They offered a deal paying $14mm. I doubt that $400K would have been the tipping point.

Sure he's interested. He knows the kid's dad and probably the player himself very well. He's also a big, physical winger that can score a lot of goals.

But he's also not going to cut off his nose to spite his face in landing Ryan.
- Jsaquella

Never said he would. I just suggested that they Flyers like him. The Flyers probably have made an offer for Ryan but obvisouly he's not here so that would suggest he isn't going to overpay.

Most teams wanting to win a cup bid for the top players available in free agency
- funmaster18

Actually most contenders do minors weeks as they have their team already

They made the offers for Weber, Parise & Suter because they are Elite or near elite level guys that could have been had for nothing off the roster.

If Holmgren was willing to trade Couturier, Schenn, Simmonds or Voracek, I'm sure that Bobby Ryan would be a Flyer now. Or that Shea Weber would be. But he wasn't.
- Jsaquella

Its all for naught.

But I was one of the minority that would have been willing to deal Schenn and Cooties together if absolutely need be for Weber. If Nashville was truly able to match but at least willing to listen to a trade I would have made the move. Hindsight is a curse obviously.

Although I think we see even more now that how hard it is to find elite d-men. Harder to find than players like Schenn or Cooties, while I do like them.

The absolute most they could have front loaded it is $14.4mm a year under the current CBA. They offered a deal paying $14mm. I doubt that $400K would have been the tipping point.
- Jsaquella

Ahh see I did not know that

Never said he would. I just suggested that they Flyers like him. The Flyers probably have made an offer for Ryan but obvisouly he's not here so that would suggest he isn't going to overpay.
- stveshdy

Well, they offered Read, Meszaros and picks for Weber, so I'm guessing it would be Read and a pick for Ryan, despite the admiration

dispite what you think or Holmgren says, the flyers clearly are not happy with the current group. They have thrown a lot of money around for a happy team
- Bieksa#3

So A GM that is happy with his team, stops trying to improve his team?