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LordStanley88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.30.2012

Jul 26 @ 10:55 AM ET
This was posted on CSNPHilly.com. Anyone see what the problem with it is?


Jake Voracek will be a Flyer next season, and for three years beyond that.

The restricted free agent winger has signed a four-year deal, $17 million deal with the Flyers, a source confirmed. The story was first reported by the Czech outlet iSport.cz.

Voracek first arrived in Philadelphia from Columbus last summer as part of the Jeff Carter trade. In his first year as a Flyer, he scored 18 goals and recorded 31 assists for 49 point in 78 total games.

Given his now sizable cap hit -- $4.5 million annually -- it would appear as though the Flyers have big plans for the 22-year-old moving forward. Those plans could include a move to the top line, where Voracek could fill the spot vacated by Jaromir Jagr beside Claude Giroux and Scott Hartnell.

- MJL


4.25 mill is his hit.
OrangeBlack27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i do, mike, PA
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jul 26 @ 10:55 AM ET
This was posted on CSNPHilly.com. Anyone see what the problem with it is?


Jake Voracek will be a Flyer next season, and for three years beyond that.

The restricted free agent winger has signed a four-year deal, $17 million deal with the Flyers, a source confirmed. The story was first reported by the Czech outlet iSport.cz.

Voracek first arrived in Philadelphia from Columbus last summer as part of the Jeff Carter trade. In his first year as a Flyer, he scored 18 goals and recorded 31 assists for 49 point in 78 total games.

Given his now sizable cap hit -- $4.5 million annually -- it would appear as though the Flyers have big plans for the 22-year-old moving forward. Those plans could include a move to the top line, where Voracek could fill the spot vacated by Jaromir Jagr beside Claude Giroux and Scott Hartnell.

- MJL


4.5
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Jul 26 @ 10:55 AM ET
Problem is thre are just a handful of true #1's out there.
- LordStanley88


Doughty, Chara, Keith, Weber, Staal and Letang.

Throw in Seabrook, Suter, Edler, Boyle, Karlsson and Kimmo in as honorary mentions.

Young up and coming guys like Fowler, OEL, Rundblad, Myers, Subban, Adam Larsson, McDonaugh, MDZ, Yandle, Pietrangelo, Hedman, Carlson, Alzner and Bogosian all have potential to be top pairing guys.

(frank) I even left out some players. There are guys out there. So there is no need to settle for mediocrity imo.
bodiva88
Referee
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There aren't any answers. Only choices.
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jul 26 @ 10:55 AM ET
nice.....
- Philly1980

But no Flyers discounts.
OrangeBlack27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i do, mike, PA
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jul 26 @ 10:55 AM ET
Just read it. Not sure how he's trying to get a rise out of anyone. Seems like he painted an accurate picture.

"One need only look at Philadelphia. They are handing out blank checks to stars that don't want to play in their town. Large market team. Fat stacks of cheddar.

What's wrong with this picture?


Paul Holmgren, Ed Snider and the Flyers offered a combined $310 million to three monster players. Each time, the Flyers were told "thanks, but no thanks".

Holmgren offered stud UFAs Parise and Suter $200 million to play as a tandem in Philly. They opted for the pontoon boat captial of North America, in Minnesota.

Then, Homer signed the most dynamic young Dman in the game today, Shea Weber, to a 14 year. $110 million offer sheet. Swing and a miss. Strike three. To be fair, Weber wanted to play in Philly. He was forced to retreat back to Nashville when the Predators matched the $110 million offer sheet. Wouldn't surprise me if Weber demands a trade to Philly on July 1, 2013.

Holmgren was interested in trading for Rick Nash, however, a deal wasn't able to be completed.

To compound their troubles signing high profile players to mondo contracts, the Flyers are having retention issues with their own free agents. Jagr and Carle skated away from Philly for greener pastures earlier this month."

- PLindbergh31




if you are GARTH, the earth just made a little more sense today.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jul 26 @ 10:56 AM ET
This was posted on CSNPhilly.com. Anyone see what the problem with it is?


Jake Voracek will be a Flyer next season, and for three years beyond that.

The restricted free agent winger has signed a four-year deal, $17 million deal with the Flyers, a source confirmed. The story was first reported by the Czech outlet iSport.cz.

Voracek first arrived in Philadelphia from Columbus last summer as part of the Jeff Carter trade. In his first year as a Flyer, he scored 18 goals and recorded 31 assists for 49 point in 78 total games.

Given his now sizable cap hit -- $4.5 million annually -- it would appear as though the Flyers have big plans for the 22-year-old moving forward. Those plans could include a move to the top line, where Voracek could fill the spot vacated by Jaromir Jagr beside Claude Giroux and Scott Hartnell.

- MJL


That the cap hit is 4.25 not 4.5?


edit: Laught.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 26 @ 10:56 AM ET
4.25 mill is his hit.
- LordStanley88



Amazing isn't it?
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jul 26 @ 10:56 AM ET
Because he is insinuating that Philly isn't a place where players want to play at.
- MJL


It's his opinion. Everyone doesn't have to agree with it.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Jul 26 @ 10:56 AM ET
Just read it. Not sure how he's trying to get a rise out of anyone. Seems like he painted an accurate picture.

"One need only look at Philadelphia. They are handing out blank checks to stars that don't want to play in their town. Large market team. Fat stacks of cheddar.

What's wrong with this picture?


Paul Holmgren, Ed Snider and the Flyers offered a combined $310 million to three monster players. Each time, the Flyers were told "thanks, but no thanks".

Holmgren offered stud UFAs Parise and Suter $200 million to play as a tandem in Philly. They opted for the pontoon boat captial of North America, in Minnesota.

Then, Homer signed the most dynamic young Dman in the game today, Shea Weber, to a 14 year. $110 million offer sheet. Swing and a miss. Strike three. To be fair, Weber wanted to play in Philly. He was forced to retreat back to Nashville when the Predators matched the $110 million offer sheet. Wouldn't surprise me if Weber demands a trade to Philly on July 1, 2013.

Holmgren was interested in trading for Rick Nash, however, a deal wasn't able to be completed.

To compound their troubles signing high profile players to mondo contracts, the Flyers are having retention issues with their own free agents. Jagr and Carle skated away from Philly for greener pastures earlier this month."

- PLindbergh31


Maybe we read different blogs...
LordStanley88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.30.2012

Jul 26 @ 10:57 AM ET
Doughty, Chara, Keith, Weber, Staal and Letang.

Throw in Seabrook, Suter, Edler, Boyle, Karlsson and Kimmo in as honorary mentions.

Young up and coming guys like Fowler, OEL, Rundblad, Myers, Subban, Adam Larsson, McDonaugh, MDZ, Yandle, Pietrangelo, Hedman, Carlson, Alzner and Bogosian all have potential to be top pairing guys.

(frank) I even left out some players. There are guys out there. So there is no need to settle for mediocrity imo.

- flyer_nutter


Take Staal and Letang out of that group. Neither are #1's by your previously stated definition.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jul 26 @ 10:57 AM ET
Because Weber accepted our contract offer, and we were one of 20 teams that missed out on Suter and Parise.
- LordStanley88


he stated "to be fair Weber wanted to play in Philly."
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 26 @ 10:57 AM ET
It's his opinion. Everyone doesn't have to agree with it.
- PLindbergh31



No they don't. But the picture he is trying to paint, simply isn't accurate.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Jul 26 @ 10:58 AM ET
It's his opinion. Everyone doesn't have to agree with it.
- PLindbergh31


He has a track record of anti flyers blogs that most of the time are not based in reality.
LordStanley88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.30.2012

Jul 26 @ 10:58 AM ET
It's his opinion. Everyone doesn't have to agree with it.
- PLindbergh31


His "opinion" is wrong.
flyersfan51
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, NJ
Joined: 10.04.2006

Jul 26 @ 10:58 AM ET
This was posted on CSNPhilly.com. Anyone see what the problem with it is?


Jake Voracek will be a Flyer next season, and for three years beyond that.

The restricted free agent winger has signed a four-year deal, $17 million deal with the Flyers, a source confirmed. The story was first reported by the Czech outlet iSport.cz.

Voracek first arrived in Philadelphia from Columbus last summer as part of the Jeff Carter trade. In his first year as a Flyer, he scored 18 goals and recorded 31 assists for 49 point in 78 total games.

Given his now sizable cap hit -- $4.5 million annually -- it would appear as though the Flyers have big plans for the 22-year-old moving forward. Those plans could include a move to the top line, where Voracek could fill the spot vacated by Jaromir Jagr beside Claude Giroux and Scott Hartnell.

- MJL



the cap hit is 4.25

WAY LATE
LordStanley88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.30.2012

Jul 26 @ 10:59 AM ET
he stated "to be fair Weber wanted to play in Philly."
- PLindbergh31


Still a ridiculous and pointless write-up for a Sabres blogger.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Jul 26 @ 10:59 AM ET
Take Staal and Letang out of that group. Neither are #1's by your previously stated definition.
- LordStanley88


Letang is a #1 in this league for sure.

Staal is as well imo.
bodiva88
Referee
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There aren't any answers. Only choices.
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jul 26 @ 10:59 AM ET
Just read it. Not sure how he's trying to get a rise out of anyone. Seems like he painted an accurate picture.

"One need only look at Philadelphia. They are handing out blank checks to stars that don't want to play in their town. Large market team. Fat stacks of cheddar.

What's wrong with this column?



- PLindbergh31

Carle and Jagr were both offered more cheddar to play elsewhere by a long shot.

Weber signed with the Flyers.

Nothing says anywhere that Flyers were close to a deal for Nash but "kicked the tires" which Homer always says he's doing. And considering it was a trade no one knows whether Nash was willing or not.

And unless we can move the Flyers to Minnesota so Suter can play at home and was willing to sign BOTH of him and Parise? (And although there were Flyers offers out to both of them, I think most of us figured if one said yes, the other offer would be pulled.)

Well, there just seems to be some lack of knowledge/logic there. But it's Garth.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Jul 26 @ 11:00 AM ET
he stated "to be fair Weber wanted to play in Philly."
- PLindbergh31


He clearly had a hit-driven agenda as he typically does. He starts out saying no one really had a chance at Suter and Parise other than minny because of their desire to play together, then claims the flyers aren't a desirable places to play and they struck out on 3 players.
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Jul 26 @ 11:00 AM ET
This was posted on CSNPhilly.com. Anyone see what the problem with it is?


Jake Voracek will be a Flyer next season, and for three years beyond that.

The restricted free agent winger has signed a four-year deal, $17 million deal with the Flyers, a source confirmed. The story was first reported by the Czech outlet iSport.cz.

Voracek first arrived in Philadelphia from Columbus last summer as part of the Jeff Carter trade. In his first year as a Flyer, he scored 18 goals and recorded 31 assists for 49 point in 78 total games.

Given his now sizable cap hit -- $4.5 million annually -- it would appear as though the Flyers have big plans for the 22-year-old moving forward. Those plans could include a move to the top line, where Voracek could fill the spot vacated by Jaromir Jagr beside Claude Giroux and Scott Hartnell.

- MJL


Having three gingers on one line
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jul 26 @ 11:00 AM ET
This was posted on CSNPhilly.com. Anyone see what the problem with it is?


Jake Voracek will be a Flyer next season, and for three years beyond that.

The restricted free agent winger has signed a four-year deal, $17 million deal with the Flyers, a source confirmed. The story was first reported by the Czech outlet iSport.cz.

Voracek first arrived in Philadelphia from Columbus last summer as part of the Jeff Carter trade. In his first year as a Flyer, he scored 18 goals and recorded 31 assists for 49 point in 78 total games.

Given his now sizable cap hit -- $4.5 million annually -- it would appear as though the Flyers have big plans for the 22-year-old moving forward. Those plans could include a move to the top line, where Voracek could fill the spot vacated by Jaromir Jagr beside Claude Giroux and Scott Hartnell.

- MJL


?
bodiva88
Referee
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There aren't any answers. Only choices.
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jul 26 @ 11:01 AM ET
Having three gingers on one line
- bradleyc4

The Gingerbeard Boys!
LordStanley88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.30.2012

Jul 26 @ 11:01 AM ET
Letang is a #1 in this league for sure.

Staal is as well imo.

- flyer_nutter


Not a chance.

Staal had a HORRIBLE season. He wasn't even one of the Rangers best 4 d-man last year. He's never been on the top PP unit either and doesn't have much offensive potential.

Letang is mediocre defensively, which is why I say he's not a true #1 by your definition.

Chara, Doughty, Weber, and Keith are though for sure IMO.
bodiva88
Referee
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There aren't any answers. Only choices.
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jul 26 @ 11:01 AM ET
the cap hit is 4.25

WAY LATE

- flyersfan51

No calculator on their cell phones?
flyersfan51
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, NJ
Joined: 10.04.2006

Jul 26 @ 11:02 AM ET
The Gingerbeard Boys!
- bodiva88


Is our third line wingers really going to be Read and Fedotenko?
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