AMEN

There are 30 teams in the NHL....The Flyers can't get everyone....They are always aggressive, which as a fan is appreciated....I like reading other teams blogs just to see whats going on ...I don't think Im a Troll ...

And obviously Weber signed a contract so....not sure where you are going.
But I digress....I enjoy heading to Buffalo every year for a couple of games...Great arena....great beer and wings up the road....Area a little sketchy.
- landros 2

area's getting better
In my mind I typically think that the FLyers get most of their players though trades. Than you have guys like Brz well look at who needed goalies and they were top of the list for a a cup contention so he went there. I dont think if Webber was a ufa hed have signed there but thats just me

Minnesota isn't a "destination" for players in this sense either. Parise grew up there, so he wanted to play there. Suter didn't grow up too far away in Wisconsin either, and decided to go there after conversations with Parise. Shane Doan seems to be giving Phoenix, also not a hockey "destination", every opportunity to get their ducks in a row, and I think he will stay there. Otherwise, he would have been signed by someone by now. We have no idea if Buffalo even thought of an offer sheet for Shea Weber (perhaps they tried to trade with Nashville, but not necessarily an offer sheet). The only one you can make this argument for really is Rick Nash with his list of teams. Bobby Ryan has no say in where he can go if he's traded, so he's irrelevant in this argument.

The Sabres have been successful in landing the likes of Ehrhoff, Regehr (getting him to waive his no trade clause), and even Ville Leino, though that signing looks like a tire-fire right now. When the Free Agent market is this thin, you're going to have a lot of players making decisions based on other factors. If you want to say that Buffalo has no sentimental value to these guys, then sure, argue away, but we already knew this. None of the FA crop grew up here, or lives here.
- buffalofan19

I only posted what I did from spectors site because Garth thinks the Flyers have a "recruiting problem" and they don't, I would think the Sabres do and have. Leino is a horrible mistake and will continue to be.

I only posted what I did from spectors site because Garth thinks the Flyers have a "recruiting problem" and they don't, I would think the Sabres do and have. Leino is a horrible mistake and will continue to be.
- SABRES 89

The problem lies in bringing in younger players good spot to end a career though.

Here once again...... why the hell would they pick the Sabres and stop saying the community. This team is far from the cup.
- SABRES 89

Ranger - Last cup 1994
Flyers - Last cup 1975
Wild - Last cup ....never

The argument of players wanting to go to a contender holds no water...

Ranger - Last cup 1994
Flyers - Last cup 1975
Wild - Last cup ....never

The argument of players wanting to go to a contender holds no water...
- LamontSanford

r u saying the flyers and rangers arent in contention for a cup? If not who is?

Ranger - Last cup 1994
Flyers - Last cup 1975
Wild - Last cup ....never

The argument of players wanting to go to a contender holds no water...
- LamontSanford

If that's true why not come to Buffalo? the money is there. They feel they can't win here and that's why they don't sign here so how can you say it doesn't hold water? Regardless of when there last cup was won or never won, they feel a better chane there then in Buffalo.

pretty sure it factored in for Suter and Parise.

A) Minnesota was already an up-and-coming team without those two (the Wild are stacked with prospects)
B) Parise and Suter know that their presence will improve the team dramatically
- DoubleDown

How many teams aren't "loaded with prospects"? Every GM thinks he has the next greatest thing since Gretzky.

Minnesota was no closer to a cup contender than the likes of Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, New Jersey, or Nashville before they came on board.

Ranger - Last cup 1994
Flyers - Last cup 1975
Wild - Last cup ....never

The argument of players wanting to go to a contender holds no water...
- LamontSanford

Good point Lamont

and $98m maybe
- b0s0o1

I left that part out because that aspect was an even playing field. All the other "serious" suitors for the two of them (Buffalo, Nashville, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh and even New Jersey eventually) were willing to match the offers Minnesota gave them.

If that's true why not come to Buffalo? the money is there. They feel they can't win here and that's why they don't sign here so how can you say it doesn't hold water? Regardless of when there last cup was won or never won, they feel a better chane there then in Buffalo.
- SABRES 89

i have to ask..... why are you a Sabres fan? I can't remember the last time you had something nice to say about them.

You can't say that suter and parise went to Minny because they felt they had a better chance at a cup there. Parise wanted to move back home and suter wanted to stay out west. If Suter really wanted to win he would have gone to detriot and taken over where lidstrom left off...

THE BUFFALO NEWS: Mike Harrington reports the Sabres remain interested in Doan and Anaheim Ducks right wing Bobby Ryan, but suggests the club has a “recruiting problem”, in that they’re not an attractive destination for players hoping to win the Stanley Cup.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: That’s an uncomfortable truth about the Sabres. It’s a good hockey town, but not a destination for players who want to play for a Cup contender. They’ll have to build themselves into contention, and show a commitment toward maintaining that status, to become more attractive to top stars. As for the Predators, retaining Shea Weber might help in their efforts to woo Doan, but they could be in the same situation as the Sabres.




- SABRES 89

"Attractive destination" = any town where player X gets paid the most that he can get.

I believe that applies to every sport as well.

i have to ask..... why are you a Sabres fan? I can't remember the last time you had something nice to say about them.

You can't say that suter and parise went to Minny because they felt they had a better chance at a cup there. Parise wanted to move back home and suter wanted to stay out west. If Suter really wanted to win he would have gone to detriot and taken over where lidstrom left off...
- SabresFaninIndiana

Both of them went there because it brought them closer to home. I don't know how anyone can say that they chose to go there because Minnesota is a contender. They finished lower in the standings than Buffalo did.

So did I actually miss anything useful in this thread?? Anything from Twitter or leads?

Or just Flyers fans pissing and moaning all night?

- jochfr

Really?

- sambarugh

So did I actually miss anything useful in this thread?? Anything from Twitter or leads?

Or just Flyers fans pissing and moaning all night?
- JVince11

Nothing of substance.

So does the Voracek signing affect the Flyers push for Ryan? He always seemed to be in trade scenarios with ANA. Not that they don't have other pieces but they have a solid top 6 under contract now.

You really have to question the motives and integrity of a writer who has so many biased and incaccurate statements in one short blog.

Weber SIGNED the offer sheet and his agent talked of his preference to play in Philly.

Suter and Parise were probably never going anywhere but Minn. because they wanted to play together and that's Parise's home.

The Flyers didn't think Carle was worth his asking price after the market for Dmen jumped. They thought it was worth the risk losing him to pursue Weber, who was their true target all along.

Jagr faded towards the end of the year and they Flyers were only going to bring him back on their terms.

Bobby Ryan is practically begging Anaheim to trade him to Philly.

Branding issues??? The Flyers have been one of the most successful frachises in hockey (financially and on the ice) for the last 40 years. Watch a Flyers game in any NHL city and you'll see orange and black jerseys in the crowd.

8 trips to the finals
2nd highest winning pct behind Montreal
2nd most playoff series wins behind Montreal

get a life Garth.

Nothing of substance.

So does the Voracek signing affect the Flyers push for Ryan? He always seemed to be in trade scenarios with ANA. Not that they don't have other pieces but they have a solid top 6 under contract now.
- sambarugh

Just because they signed him doesn't mean they can't move him still. I would think Anaheim would be more willing to take him if he has a contract.

You really have to question the motives and integrity of a writer who has so many biased and incaccurate statements in one short blog.

Weber SIGNED the offer sheet and his agent talked of his preference to play in Philly.

Suter and Parise were probably never going anywhere but Minn. because they wanted to play together and that's Parise's home.

The Flyers didn't think Carle was worth his asking price after the market for Dmen jumped. They thought it was worth the risk losing him to pursue Weber, who was their true target all along.

Jagr faded towards the end of the year and they Flyers were only going to bring him back on their terms.

Bobby Ryan is practically begging Anaheim to trade him to Philly.

Branding issues??? The Flyers have been one of the most successful frachises in hockey (financially and on the ice) for the last 40 years. Watch a Flyers game in any NHL city and you'll see orange and black jerseys in the crowd.

8 trips to the finals
2nd highest winning pct behind Montreal
2nd most playoff series wins behind Montreal

get a life Garth.
- furioso

He's not a real writer....

Nothing of substance.

So does the Voracek signing affect the Flyers push for Ryan? He always seemed to be in trade scenarios with ANA. Not that they don't have other pieces but they have a solid top 6 under contract now.
- sambarugh

I think that Voracek played strong for Philly last year.. but his stats were almost the same as to when he was in CLB except now he is playing with MUCH MUCH better talent around him. It was his playoff performance that earned him a pay raise.

But sitll 4.25M for the same kind of numbers he put up while in CLB.

Just because they signed him doesn't mean they can't move him still. I would think Anaheim would be more willing to take him if he has a contract.
- HonkFortheGoose

I know they could still flip him, you just see that done often. It's definitely an interesting move based on how they are supposedly in 'reactionary' mode.

integrity writer blog.
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- furioso

not sure these three words should be used in one sentence without a negative.

I know they could still flip him, you just see that done often. It's definitely an interesting move based on how they are supposedly in 'reactionary' mode.
- sambarugh

That's the problem. Holmgren is too quick to make reactionary moves. I'm not saying he's a bad GM, but I don't know that I would want to have him as my GM either. I feel like you need someone who is a a mix of Regier and Holmgren.

New blog

IMO its far more likely weber signed the offer sheet in hopes of "forcing" nashvilles hand. He was probably tired of getting low balled or fed some crap about how he should take a pay cut for the team.

Philly was probably an attractive destination, but signing an offer sheet is a pretty bad way of getting onto a team considering a vast majority are matched, and Nashville said explicitly they would match any offer.

It gave weber a convenient way of getting the money he wanted and allowed him to stay in Nashville.

If he wanted to be a flyer he would be a flyer, simple as that. He would either have pushed harder for a trade, or not signed a 14 year contract that would most likely keep him away from philadelphia. All the evidence pointed to Nashville matching the offer.

I still wouldn't say they have recruiting issues, but I also wouldn't say weber signed the offer sheet because the flyers were his number one choice. Nashville was probably always his number one choice. flyers were most likely a potential number two, they just happened to have the balls to toss out an offer sheet.