If everyone likes Read so much then how about Voracek, MaB and a non 1st rd pick for Ryan?

If everyone likes Read so much then how about Voracek, MaB and a non 1st rd pick for Ryan?
- jstross

maybe MAB isn't enough with either forward, don't know, keep hearing it's close, but for what?

maybe MAB isn't enough with either forward, don't know, keep hearing it's close, but for what?
- puckhead17

I think Voracek is a much better forward than Read, but he costs more and in 3 years he'll cost as much as Ryan.

We will make it like the SC
- Daman

Here is a newsflash. Flyers will offer Read, MAB or Gus, and a pick for Ryan.
Maybe a prospect such as Cousins.


And Anaheim will take it.


And then I will nominate myself for HB poster of the year.
- Daman

Funny. I said last Thursday no weber. Doan stays out west. And we would get Ryan

I think he'd be ahead of everyone but Timonen and maybe Coburn.

Bouwmeester is a solid player. He's just never been as good a player as the sum of his parts would suggest he can be.

He's big but not physical. He's got a good shot, but doesn't score much anymore.
- Jsaquella

The numbers, at least last season's, say Meszaros is at least just as good, and when you factor in the physical side of Meszy's game, I think it tips the scales in his favor. And Meszaros got his points without the benefit of being on the top PP all year long. The only thing I you can say JayBo may be "better" than Meszaros at is durability.

Age:
Meszaros: 26
JayBo: 28

Cap Hit:
Meszaros: $4M
JayBo: $6.68M

Points & GP:
Meszaros: 7G, 18A in 62 games
JayBo: 5G, 24A in 82 games

+/-
Meszaros: +6
JayBo: -21

Number of people that have called them soft and easy to play against:
Meszaros: Nobody
JayBo: Everybody

pretty amazing stuff
- Don'tForgetTocchet

You gotta admit though, he was spot on about how the Sabres acquired "established difference maker" Ville Leino from the western conference.

Then again, maybe by difference maker he means "makes a huge difference in their available salary cap dollars".

Can you site a source that shows the Preds LOST money? I'm interested.

I'm not aware of the code of conduct. If you point me in the direction of where I might find it, I will certainly read it and abide by it. You have to admit my comments are far more tame, relevant, and intelligent than many other posts seen here. I'll also mention that I received a couple of nasty e-mails from angry Philly fans. I'll point them in the direction of the code of conduct.

If readers holding you accountable for your writing makes you feel uncomfortable, then you can ban me. However, if you write to discern truth from just talk, then I'd think you'd continue to be interested in my feedback. It's the readers who hold writers accountable. If that doesn't work for you, then find a different occupation.
- TerryB

There's a link to the code of conduct at the bottom of every page on this site. It's the one that reads "Code of Conduct".

Can you site a source that shows the Preds LOST money? I'm interested.

- TerryB

http://www.forbes.com/nhl-valuations/
If you scout around on that site, you will see Operating Income is essentially hockey revenues less hockey costs for each year, aka profits/losses. Earlier years on Forbes had a more annotated breakdown. Nashville is 7th from bottom.

Ok I am outta here. Far too much posting for me for the off season. This Weber shindig was one of the oddest things I have seen in contractual issues in sports for a long time, since the TO dispute for sure.

As the link in PT21's post shows, Nashville is in fact losing money.

Additionally, as Bill also correctly pointed out in his blog, Nashville is receiving revenue sharing money from the other teams in the league. The current CBA requires the top ten money-making teams to contribute to a pool to be distributed among the bottom 15 teams. Therefore, since NSH is in the bottom 15 in operating income, they receive money from this revenue sharing pool.

If we bring in J-Bow's contract I might have to kill myself. Dear god I hope Homer is not that stupid...

DOnt get me wrong, J Bow is a solid dman, but he's the #4 dman on this team behind Kimmo, Burn and Mezzy. Hell I might even take Grossmann over him if he played like he did last year with us.

I DO NOT want that contract. If he was making 4-4.5M, i'd take him. But that cap hit is retarded.

Funny. I said last Thursday no weber. Doan stays out west. And we would get Ryan
- Deasr1

I am not so sure that package gets it done for Ryan.

The more I think about it the more I like a read+ deal for Ryan.

Danny is getting older and he could drop to 3rd line wing so he can save some reg season wear and tear with lower minutes. We have him signed for 3 more seasons , might as well try to pace him. Plus fedotenko and couts can help cover his defensive liability. Then move Simmonds up to be the 2nd lines hartsy. That's 2 big, skilled, and fast top lines.....

Hartnell-Giroux-Ryan
Voracek-Schenn-Simmonds
Fedotenko-Couts-Briere

Just thinking out loud here....

Can you site a source that shows the Preds LOST money? I'm interested.

I'm not aware of the code of conduct. If you point me in the direction of where I might find it, I will certainly read it and abide by it. You have to admit my comments are far more tame, relevant, and intelligent than many other posts seen here. I'll also mention that I received a couple of nasty e-mails from angry Philly fans. I'll point them in the direction of the code of conduct.

If readers holding you accountable for your writing makes you feel uncomfortable, then you can ban me. However, if you write to discern truth from just talk, then I'd think you'd continue to be interested in my feedback. It's the readers who hold writers accountable. If that doesn't work for you, then find a different occupation.
- TerryB

Do you think it wise on your part to keep this going? Meltzer has been very objective in his reporting of the entire Weber story. I do understand that some commentators and posters may have been disrespectful of the Predator's ability to provide for themselves. Generally, however, I can say that there has been no web site that has been more supportive of the Preds than HB over the last five years. It is now time to stand down. Whatever your frustration it is badly targeted.

Because you are giving so much power to your frustration, I would ask that you go back and read each of Meltzer's blogs starting with the first one when the offer sheet came down. I think you may be surprised and impressed how objective and consistent his commentary has been right from the opening moment.

I'm sure he'll enjoy his ban. Man, these preds fans get angry easily.
- Hextall271

Actually there is a model called the Karpman triangle that explains the phenomena. In a hostage crisis or domestic violence situation you usually have a victim, the hostage taker and the rescuer. It is not uncommon that as the tension of the hostage taking increases roles get reversed. The victim develops sympathy for the plight of the hostage taker, begins to think of the hostage taker (abuser) as the victim and they begin to attack the rescuer. The attacks on Meltzer and even Garth's bitter ramblings are part of the collateral emotional explosions of the past week.

In hockey terms this last week has been our Stockholm syndrome for tension. Probably will go down as the Stanley Cup of UFA tension. Lots of people have frayed nerves. Some are over reacting to what is essentially a sports story that is pretty mild to some other stuff going on in the world. Although, it is ironic, it is also predictable that Meltzer who has probably been the most objective voice through the entire proceeding gets attacked for being something opposite to his clearly stated intention.

Note: Wikipedia has a good explanation of Karpman that will enable you to better understand the hostility of some bloggers and posters in the aftermath of last week.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...ki/Karpman_drama_triangle

As the link in PT21's post shows, Nashville is in fact losing money.

Additionally, as Bill also correctly pointed out in his blog, Nashville is receiving revenue sharing money from the other teams in the league. The current CBA requires the top ten money-making teams to contribute to a pool to be distributed among the bottom 15 teams. Therefore, since NSH is in the bottom 15 in operating income, they receive money from this revenue sharing pool.
- BringBack25

Let's get one thing straight. That is an estimation by Forbes. Not a fact. The Predators do not make their financial ledger open to the public. And there are only 30 teams in the League. So half the teams in the League are in that bottom 15.

I think Dubinsky is better than that, he's a top 6 forward in my opinion, the way that crazy ass coach is, someone was destined for the doghouse.
He's not great at one thing, but can be like a Steve Ott type, with more offensive talent.
He may just need maturing & the right team/role
- puckhead17

Dubinsky was given every opportunity to succeed last season.

He started off the season on the #1 line and had only one goal still on December 22nd.

what was the "crazy ass coach" supposed to do? keep playing him 25 minutes a night when he completely lost his ability to finish?

oh, that's right, he coached them to the best record in the Eastern Conference, the crazy bastard.

Can you site a source that shows the Preds LOST money? I'm interested.

I'm not aware of the code of conduct. If you point me in the direction of where I might find it, I will certainly read it and abide by it. You have to admit my comments are far more tame, relevant, and intelligent than many other posts seen here. I'll also mention that I received a couple of nasty e-mails from angry Philly fans. I'll point them in the direction of the code of conduct.

If readers holding you accountable for your writing makes you feel uncomfortable, then you can ban me. However, if you write to discern truth from just talk, then I'd think you'd continue to be interested in my feedback. It's the readers who hold writers accountable. If that doesn't work for you, then find a different occupation.
- TerryB

If you actually read what Meltzer wrote over the course of the offer sheet process, he always said he felt Nashville would match unless there was a trade for the picks gained by the Predators or player assets.

He never felt that that Predators would decline to match and simply accept the 4 first rounders in return for Weber.

As for Nashville losing money:

http://www.tennessean.com...-ice-success-public-money

http://www.forbes.com/teams/nashville-predators/

Darren Dreger reported that the Predators ticket revenue was around $26mm last year. Weber is due to be paid $27mm in the first 12 months of his new contract.

As for your comments, they were dead wrong. You attributed comments to Meltzer that he simply didn't write. He never said that the Preds could not match, but wondered how they could manage to pay both Weber and Rinne and ice a competitive team based on the reported revenue.

A cursory glance at the list of Preds ownership and a google search shows that they personally can afford to match the offer sheet, but that team revenues would not support it. There are sports team owners that own teams to win and are not obsessed with the team turning a profit. But there's very few owners that want a sports team to bleed their personal wealth out.

You want to rip people? Then rip the people that actually wrote something that was factually incorrect or whose positions changed. Meltzer did neither during the course of the offer sheet process. You want to hold a writer accountable? Then get your facts straight before accusing others of not doing the same.

If you actually read what Meltzer wrote over the course of the offer sheet process, he always said he felt Nashville would match unless there was a trade for the picks gained by the Predators or player assets.

He never felt that that Predators would decline to match and simply accept the 4 first rounders in return for Weber.

As for Nashville losing money:

http://www.tennessean.com...-ice-success-public-money

http://www.forbes.com/teams/nashville-predators/

Darren Dreger reported that the Predators ticket revenue was around $26mm last year. Weber is due to be paid $27mm in the first 12 months of his new contract.

As for your comments, they were dead wrong. You attributed comments to Meltzer that he simply didn't write. He never said that the Preds could not match, but wondered how they could manage to pay both Weber and Rinne and ice a competitive team based on the reported revenue.

A cursory glance at the list of Preds ownership and a google search shows that they personally can afford to match the offer sheet, but that team revenues would not support it. There are sports team owners that own teams to win and are not obsessed with the team turning a profit. But there's very few owners that want a sports team to bleed their personal wealth out.

You want to rip people? Then rip the people that actually wrote something that was factually incorrect or whose positions changed. Meltzer did neither during the course of the offer sheet process. You want to hold a writer accountable? Then get your facts straight before accusing others of not doing the same.
- Jsaquella

The numbers, at least last season's, say Meszaros is at least just as good, and when you factor in the physical side of Meszy's game, I think it tips the scales in his favor. And Meszaros got his points without the benefit of being on the top PP all year long. The only thing I you can say JayBo may be "better" than Meszaros at is durability.

Age:
Meszaros: 26
JayBo: 28

Cap Hit:
Meszaros: $4M
JayBo: $6.68M

Points & GP:
Meszaros: 7G, 18A in 62 games
JayBo: 5G, 24A in 82 games

+/-
Meszaros: +6
JayBo: -21

Number of people that have called them soft and easy to play against:
Meszaros: Nobody
JayBo: Everybody
- BringBack25

I feel if you put Bouwmeester in the Flyers system, he'd match or surpass Meszaros' performance.

should have stopped while you were ahead
- puckhead17

BUMP

I feel if you put Bouwmeester in the Flyers system, he'd match or surpass Meszaros' performance.
- Jsaquella

I don't doubt that. But the question for me is does he do it to the level of justifying his 6.68M cap hit? I have my doubts about that.

Can you site a source that shows the Preds LOST money? I'm interested.

I'm not aware of the code of conduct. If you point me in the direction of where I might find it, I will certainly read it and abide by it. You have to admit my comments are far more tame, relevant, and intelligent than many other posts seen here. I'll also mention that I received a couple of nasty e-mails from angry Philly fans. I'll point them in the direction of the code of conduct.

If readers holding you accountable for your writing makes you feel uncomfortable, then you can ban me. However, if you write to discern truth from just talk, then I'd think you'd continue to be interested in my feedback. It's the readers who hold writers accountable. If that doesn't work for you, then find a different occupation.
- TerryB

Interesting, you had to agree to it to join the site. You can refresh your memory by clicking on the link to it at the bottom of any page. It is perfectly ok to disagree with a blogger. However, you are expected to be respectful of both bloggers and other posters. I suspect you realize if you read your last paragraph from the offending post that you'll know what you did wrong. If not, perhaps a bit of navel gazing will turn that around.

For anyone who PMed (because really, who has your email address) you, I will remind them that the code of conduct applies to posts, PMs, screen names, and locations. Please remind yourselves of the code and abide by it.

Bill Meltzer ‏@billmeltzer

Czech press reporting a 4-year, $17 million contract for Voracek

Bill Meltzer ‏@billmeltzer

Czech press reporting a 4-year, $17 million contract for Voracek
- bradleyc4