Answer me this. were would you see JayBo in the pecking order on the Flyers D this year and next year assumming no other DMan is acquired?
- jstross

Below Coburn and Timonen, and equal with Meszaros.

Yep. He does a lot of things well, but nothing stands out. He's a really solid defenseman. He should be more physical than he is. He should score more points than he does. But he doesn't. He's not a guy that finds that extra gear to step up his game an be elite or use the skills he has to make the overall package an elite one.
- Jsaquella

seems to be a part of his game that disappeared since his Florida days

the only thing that's a + about jBo is that he only has 2 yrs more on the deal and he'd have a carle-like impact...could buy us time.

not a good value all things considered
- isaiah520

If they could nab him for a couple of second rounders, sure. See what shakes out. Maybe Winnipeg gets off to a horrid start and Enstrom is available, or even Bogo.

I wouldn't want to wait to the TDL, but by US Thanksgiving, you'll have the infor you need on Gervais, MAB & Gus

the smoke has cleared, and im thinking luke schenn could be the next best dman...hes got the size and nasyiness to be like weber in 2-3 years putting him at the 25-26 year old "prime".
- mydoglicks

If your saying that Schenn has the potential to be like Weber. That's not likely.

Answer me this. were would you see JayBo in the pecking order on the Flyers D this year and next year assumming no other DMan is acquired?
- jstross

I agree he is not a #1 guy, but looking at need, I think the Flyers still need to upgrade the defense. He certainly is in the top 3-4 if he came here, may even lead the team in minutes by a D-man

the smoke has cleared, and im thinking luke schenn could be the next best dman...hes got the size and nasyiness to be like weber in 2-3 years putting him at the 25-26 year old "prime".
- mydoglicks

He'll likely never have Weber's offensive game or puck moving abilities.

I'd be ecstatic if he reaches Adam Foote like level of play

If your saying that Schenn has the potential to be like Weber. That's not likely.
- MJL

maybe Phaneuf?

maybe

I think looking at a players past 5-6 years is a pretty valid picture of the player.
- flyhoc

I think looking at the player currently is the most valid picture of the player.

Below Coburn and Timonen, and equal with Meszaros.
- MJL

he could benefit playing with a guy like Schenn

Kimmo Coburn
Jbo Schenn
Mez Grossman

that's not bad. obviously Jbo is no Weber, but few are.

maybe Phaneuf?

maybe
- puckhead17

No, he isn't going to be a big offensive point producer

It's similar compensation that the Rangers traded for Nash since the Rangers got back a 3rd and another player.
- jstross

I'd be happy with that... get Ryan sign Jake.

Hartnell-Giroux-Ryan
Schenn-Briere-Voracek
Fedotenko-Couts-Simmonds
Wellwood-Talbot-Rinaldo
Sestito

Kimmo-Coby
Mez-Schenn
Grossmann-Gervais
Lilja

Bryz
Leights

I agree he is not a #1 guy, but looking at need, I think the Flyers still need to upgrade the defense. He certainly is in the top 3-4 if he came here, may even lead the team in minutes by a D-man
- flyhoc

There is no doubt that Bouwmeester could help this team. But it's about the cost. Both in acquiring him, and his Cap hit.

the smoke has cleared, and im thinking luke schenn could be the next best dman...hes got the size and nasyiness to be like weber in 2-3 years putting him at the 25-26 year old "prime".
- mydoglicks

none of the offensive potential and a fraction of the puck moving ability...puck-as-grenade syndrome (PAGS)

prob mature into a 4-5 complement to an offensive partner once he gets over the jitters.

I'd be happy with that... get Ryan sign Jake.

Hartnell-Giroux-Ryan
Schenn-Briere-Voracek
Fedotenko-Couts-Simmonds
Wellwood-Talbot-Rinaldo
Sestito

Kimmo-Coby
Mez-Schenn
Grossmann-Gervais
Lilja

Bryz
Leights
- moylander

what's the rumor of possible package for Ryan, if any?
Ek just posted that it's not going to die, and that other bloggers are mentioning us as front runners for him.

If they could nab him for a couple of second rounders, sure. See what shakes out. Maybe Winnipeg gets off to a horrid start and Enstrom is available, or even Bogo.

I wouldn't want to wait to the TDL, but by US Thanksgiving, you'll have the infor you need on Gervais, MAB & Gus
- Jsaquella

let's put the maloikes on them then

There is no doubt that Bouwmeester could help this team. But it's about the cost. Both in acquiring him, and his Cap hit.
- MJL

voracek and 4th. nothing more from the flyers end.

what's the rumor of possible package for Ryan, if any?
Ek just posted that it's not going to die, and that other bloggers are mentioning us as front runners for him.
- puckhead17

I was replying to Read, MAB, + our 1st in 2013.

I think looking at the player currently is the most valid picture of the player.
- MJL

Perhaps, a player is injured, is played with weaker players etc, can certainly change how he is viewed in the short term. I dont theink Weber got his 14 year deal based on this season alone, it is based on his overall history. Way to easy to fall in and out of love with a player when you view a short picture. That is all my opinion of course, and I am not a GM

none of the offensive potential and a fraction of the puck moving ability...puck-as-grenade syndrome (PAGS)

prob mature into a 4-5 complement to an offensive partner once he gets over the jitters.
- isaiah520

I think his upside is higher then that. He could definitely develop into a top pairing compliment to a true #1.

voracek and 4th.
- tomburton99

for Bou?

that weakens our forward ranks

let's put the maloikes on them then
- isaiah520

Below Coburn and Timonen, and equal with Meszaros.
- MJL

So woulld this be fair to say(Pretty good top 6, but it is very pricey):
Timo-Coburn
JayBo-Schenn
Mez-Grossman
Gervais

2014
JayBo-Coburn
Mez-Schenn
Grossman-Gervais
GUS

none of the offensive potential and a fraction of the puck moving ability...puck-as-grenade syndrome (PAGS)

prob mature into a 4-5 complement to an offensive partner once he gets over the jitters.
- isaiah520

Id say 2 is the top.. If he's skating improves he will be a beast.....he'll even hartnell got better...as for puck moving he's pretty decent he had a poop year last year but their still is potential there... Not as bad as everryones making him

I'm referring to trading for a dman, not Ryan...reset
- isaiah520

Sorry, although honestly I feel the same way about the D. Would it have been nice to get Weber? Absolutely. Are we in some sort of desperate situation now because NSH matched? I don't think so.

Biggest concern I have with the current mix of D is injuries. With both Kimmo and Meszy coming off surgery, I'm a little worried. But not so much that I'd take on an albatross like JayBo's contract just to have a guy whose best trait is that he's "durable".

Perhaps, a player is injured, is played with weaker players etc, can certainly change how he is viewed in the short term. I dont theink Weber got his 14 year deal based on this season alone, it is based on his overall history. Way to easy to fall in and out of love with a player when you view a short picture. That is all my opinion of course, and I am not a GM
- flyhoc

I think it's obvious how parts of Bouwmeester's game fell off the in the last 2-3 years, that it's not an injury or due to who he is playing with. Weber is a generational talent and arguably the best D man in the game. Not a great comparison.