Sounds a bit like Carle. But in my opinion a much more skilled Carle. Yes it is a big cap hit, but I feel Flyers need anothe D-man, especially one who plays 25-30 minutes a game, as we have a few D-men who have had surgery
- flyhoc

He's not more skilled then Carle is. Carle is a better point producer on the back end. Bouwmeester is probably better defensively. Both players are durable and can play a lot of minutes.

all this conversation about potential trades and moves is wearing me the (frank) out. let's just get our own guys inked, settled, and roll. i wish pronger could play.
- hammarby31

Agreed I'm ready for the season to start

$6.68M cap hit for JayBo. Let that sink in for a minute.

By comparison, Shea Weber is getting a little over $1M more per season, and he's the best d-man in the league. JayBo is, well...not.

And for your $6.68M cap hit, all you get is about 6-8 goals a year, 20 or so assists, and a big body that plays softer than Matt Carle on his worst day.

No. Thank. You.
- BringBack25

You can get bogosian he had 10 lol

Two things. I don't view any player as expendable. No such thing. An asset is a an asset. Secondly, regardless of how young the Flyers are. Doesn't in any way lessen the value of draft picks. Especially first round draft picks.

I like Ryan. But I don't know if I would pay the price for him. And with the situation as it is. I think they start by asking for Schenn or Couturier. And that's a no go for me.
- MJL

I agree.

I think there is a sharp distinction here. I can understand people saying they would not give up Schenn or Couturier because they represent so much potential. That is a value judgement that you can respect even if you disagree.

But, the one I would disagree with are the guys who said no to including either Couturier or Schenn for Weber but would deal one of them for Ryan.

all this conversation about potential trades and moves is wearing me the (frank) out. let's just get our own guys inked, settled, and roll. i wish pronger could play.
- hammarby31

I agree with this.

Homer wouldn't trade them for weber...hes not trading them for anyone
- Philly1980

he wouldn't trade them for weber and that $$...homer has to know he will have limited opps and resources to obtain what we need. he may not be ready now or maybe he's in wait and see mode, but that's usually not his MO.

I agree.

I think there is a sharp distinction here. I can understand people saying they would not give up Schenn or Couturier because they represent so much potential. That is a value judgement that you can respect even if you disagree.

But, the one I would disagree with are the guys who said no to including either Couturier or Schenn for Weber but would deal one of them for Ryan.
- spatso

I wouldn't deal either for no one till I know what we have

I agree.

I think there is a sharp distinction here. I can understand people saying they would not give up Schenn or Couturier because they represent so much potential. That is a value judgement that you can respect even if you disagree.

But, the one I would disagree with are the guys who said no to including either Couturier or Schenn for Weber but would deal one of them for Ryan.
- spatso

mos def...those guys should only go for top d w/ commensurate value.

I wouldn't deal either for no one till I know what we have
- Philly1980

Agree

I agree.

I think there is a sharp distinction here. I can understand people saying they would not give up Schenn or Couturier because they represent so much potential. That is a value judgement that you can respect even if you disagree.

But, the one I would disagree with are the guys who said no to including either Couturier or Schenn for Weber but would deal one of them for Ryan.
- spatso

Bobby Ryan is a Helluva a player. He's a 30 goal winger with size and who can be a physical presence.

But he ain't Shea Weber

Let's say it like it is... Weber used us and tossed us away like a dirty rag... These kids will grow up here and (frank)ing bleed orange and black already. I don't want weber or Ryan if it means even one goes. Every team covets these 3 guys as good as weber is he's one guy who couldn't win a cup on a good team...

he wouldn't trade them for weber and that $$...homer has to know he will have limited opps and resources to obtain what we need. he may not be ready now or maybe he's in wait and see mode, but that's usually not his MO.
- isaiah520

We do not NEED Ryan. He'd be nice to have at the right price, but there is no pressing need there that should make us pay more than we want to pay. If the price is too high, walk away.

At this point I just want to sign Voracek and our other RFAs and start the season. Jake was coming on strong at the end of last season and I'd be willing to bet his total points will damn near equal Ryan's next season, although the goal/assist mix will likely be different given the way they play.

He's not more skilled then Carle is. Carle is a better point producer on the back end. Bouwmeester is probably better defensively. Both players are durable and can play a lot of minutes.
- MJL

Honestly, Bouwmeester is probably a more offensively gifted version of Coburn. Big guy, good skater, could be more physical.

We do not NEED Ryan. He'd be nice to have at the right price, but there is no pressing need there that should make us pay more than we want to pay. If the price is too high, walk away.

At this point I just want to sign Voracek and our other RFAs and start the season. Jake was coming on strong at the end of last season and I'd be willing to bet his total points will damn near equal Ryan's next season, although the goal/assist mix will likely be different given the way they play.
- BringBack25

I was just going to post along the same lines. I feel that Voracek, Couturier, and Schenn all have the potential to be as good if not better then Ryan. And I laugh every time I read that he grew up in Cherry Hill, and his family knows Bob Clarke, as reasons for trading for him, because he wants to play here. Irrelevant.

We do not NEED Ryan. He'd be nice to have at the right price, but there is no pressing need there that should make us pay more than we want to pay. If the price is too high, walk away.

At this point I just want to sign Voracek and our other RFAs and start the season. Jake was coming on strong at the end of last season and I'd be willing to bet his total points will damn near equal Ryan's next season, although the goal/assist mix will likely be different given the way they play.
- BringBack25

I'm referring to trading for a dman, not Ryan...reset

He's not more skilled then Carle is. Carle is a better point producer on the back end. Bouwmeester is probably better defensively. Both players are durable and can play a lot of minutes.
- MJL

I totally diagree on the offensive side, Carle has never scored as many goals as JayBo, JayBo 14, 15, 15 3 years running with Florida, max Carle ever had was 11 with SanJose. JayBo offense with Calgary has gone down, now closer to Carle numbers

We do not NEED Ryan. He'd be nice to have at the right price, but there is no pressing need there that should make us pay more than we want to pay. If the price is too high, walk away.

At this point I just want to sign Voracek and our other RFAs and start the season. Jake was coming on strong at the end of last season and I'd be willing to bet his total points will damn near equal Ryan's next season, although the goal/assist mix will likely be different given the way they play.
- BringBack25

I agree, I have no issue kicking tires on FA's or players that make sense. No big moves just for the sake of a big move

I'm referring to trading for a dman, not Ryan...reset
- isaiah520

Bogosian

Honestly, Bouwmeester is probably a more offensively gifted version of Coburn. Big guy, good skater, could be more physical.
- Jsaquella

When I look at Bouwmeester and his 6.68 Cap hit. I ask myself in what category is he among the best in the League? And my answer is none.

Unless you want to count durability and playing high minutes.

I totally diagree on the offensive side, Carle has never scored as many goals as JayBo, JayBo 14, 15, 15 3 years running with Florida, max Carle ever had was 11 with SanJose. JayBo offense with Calgary has gone down, now closer to Carle numbers
- flyhoc

Those goal totals are in the past. I assumed we were talking about now, not 3-4 years ago.

When I look at Bouwmeester and his 6.68 Cap hit. I ask myself in what category is he among the best in the League? And my answer is none.

Unless you want to count durability and playing high minutes.
- MJL

Yep. He does a lot of things well, but nothing stands out. He's a really solid defenseman. He should be more physical than he is. He should score more points than he does. But he doesn't. He's not a guy that finds that extra gear to step up his game an be elite or use the skills he has to make the overall package an elite one.

When I look at Bouwmeester and his 6.68 Cap hit. I ask myself in what category is he among the best in the League? And my answer is none.

Unless you want to count durability and playing high minutes.
- MJL

Answer me this. were would you see JayBo in the pecking order on the Flyers D this year and next year assumming no other DMan is acquired?

Honestly, Bouwmeester is probably a more offensively gifted version of Coburn. Big guy, good skater, could be more physical.
- Jsaquella

the only thing that's a + about jBo is that he only has 2 yrs more on the deal and he'd have a carle-like impact...could buy us time.

not a good value all things considered

Those goal totals are in the past. I assumed we were talking about now, not 3-4 years ago.
- MJL

I think looking at a players past 5-6 years is a pretty valid picture of the player.

the smoke has cleared, and im thinking luke schenn could be the next best dman...hes got the size and nasyiness to be like weber in 2-3 years putting him at the 25-26 year old "prime".