problem is, whoever enters, is entering a losing culture. all you need is luongo and you guys are done. roberto "i've never won anything" is just the goalie the cubs...i mean, the leafs need.
- rob121

Takes one to know one! AHAHAHAHAHA!

PLay nice guys, I'm bored.

Yeah last year was year 5 after that weber can say no to an arbitrator leaving him and the team to work ok the contract I bet if Philly had not put out on offer sheet he would have sat and waited for the right contract which is his right as RFA in his final year of RFA status
- arnpriorguy

He wouldn't have necessarily decided to sit out.... let's get real for a second and quit this, he could have done this or that, bs. With the upcoming CBA changes he wasn't going to sit around and wait for a new CBA to put a limit on salaries.

Also on your point about: "Poile had over a year to get a contract done with Weber and he didn't do it. When you let another GM negotiate your players contracts you get what you get."

I don't want you leaving this forum honestly believing that Poile didn't already try to sign, his captain and one of the best D-man, long term. Shea just wanted to get to RFA and, I think just wanted to see what Suter was going to do once he got to UFA, hence the extended one year contract last year.
- aeroagm

That's fine and I don't disagree with you. Poile is a hell of a good GM. What I'm saying is that there is a big difference between TRYING to sign your best player and ACTUALLY signing your best player. Poile tried to sign him, Holmgren actually signed him. Big difference.

He probably would have, but various people have indicated that he would have been forced to which is not the case.
- snake17

Look it up in the cba a player after 5 full seasons in the NHL can legally refuse arbitration so that option wasn't on the table at all

Again, you're the one that said a restricted free agent was not a free agent. I'm not sure I can do worse than that. I'm not ignorant, I'm not stupid, and I'm not a douche. And I've offered no half-truths or broken arguments.

You don't understand how free-agency works in the NHL, but that's cool. Get educated about it; it makes for better discussion.

And I would say signing players to contracts has EVERYTHING to do with the product on the ice.
- snake17

Ok, let me dumb it down as best I can.

You implied from the beginning he was an UFA who was free to sign anywhere.

I said Nashville has his right still and can match anyone's offer, and if no one offers, then he goes to arbitration.

You said all RFA's have no contract for the next year.

I said an arbitrator determines their contract for the next year.

You said he isn't forced to play the next season based off the arbitrator's ruling.

I said no one is forced to play out their contract. They either do or they don't.

You also said players get offer sheeted all the time.

I said name them that happen all the time. You still haven't.

Onto contracts, I don't remember mentioning quality of play. I said contracts have nothing to do with the game of hockey, meaning hockey is still played 5 on 5 with a goalie on each end. Hockey will continue to be played that way regardless of a player not having a contract. There is always someone else.

PLay nice guys, I'm bored.
- braidan

Then don't beat around the chicken worth 2 in the hand!

That's fine and I don't disagree with you. Poile is a hell of a good GM. What I'm saying is that there is a big difference between TRYING to sign your best player and ACTUALLY signing your best player. Poile tried to sign him, Holmgren actually signed him. Big difference.
- snake17

Ok, point taken.

Then don't beat around the chicken worth 2 in the hand!
- weirdoh

LOL did u really just try to rationalize the greasy offer with grand theft auto...which is a felony?

well poile now has weber under contract for the rest of his life at a fair cap hit thanks to other GMs negotiating weber's contract

that sakic offer sheet was greasy as hell. difference is i'll admit it and you won't.
- rangerdanger94

It was also one of the very first offer sheets sent out, Wasn't mismanagement at all IMO just offer sheet inexperience.

Moreso, you just don't know who/when it can happen to you.....cant lock up everyone on your team longterm/

If offersheets become popular this year boston better use the greatest negotiator in the world and lock up their crop before next year, they cant match em all for seguin, lucic, rask.

PLay nice guys, I'm bored.
- braidan

Play with me cutie pie.

Then don't beat around the chicken worth 2 in the hand!
- weirdoh

But my pork smells like asparagus.

He wouldn't have necessarily decided to sit out.... let's get real for a second and quit this, he could have done this or that, bs. With the upcoming CBA changes he wasn't going to sit around and wait for a new CBA to put a limit on salaries.
- aeroagm

The new cba coming in is only reason he signed that deal other wise he would have sat b/c I doubt Nashville would offer him that deal in the first place

But my pork smells like asparagus.
- braidan

You know what they say? In for a dime more often before the egg.

But my pork smells like asparagus.
- braidan

WTF are you feeding that pig?

You know what they say? In for a dime more often before the egg.
- weirdoh

Uh.. the early bird gets the worm?

You know what they say? In for a dime more often before the egg.
- weirdoh

Ken's " Rickyisms".

You know what they say? In for a dime more often before the egg.
- weirdoh

I agree sometimes Captain Crunch is the better part of horseradish.

Ok, let me dumb it down as best I can.

You implied from the beginning he was an UFA who was free to sign anywhere.

I said Nashville has his right still and can match anyone's offer.

You said all RFA's have no contract for the next year.

I said an arbitrator determines their contract for the next year.

Onto contracts, I don't remember mentioning quality of play. I said contracts have nothing to do with the game of hockey, meaning hockey is still played 5 on 5 with a goalie on each end. Hockey will continue to be played that way regardless of a player not having a contract. There is always someone else.


- StayTunedMTC

I never implied he was a UFA because he never was. I said he was a free agent. You said he wasn't, and then you said he was restricted free. Either way he was a free agent.

RFAs do not have contracts. That's why they are free agents. Restricted vs. Unrestricted has nothing to do with a player having a contract or not; they don't have a contract in either case until they decide to sign one. If they don't have a valid contract they don't play.

An arbitrator rules on compensation but has nothing to do with signing a contract. To say an arbitrator determines a player's contract is incorrect; they only determine the terms. The player is under no obligation to sign a contract for those terms.

There is always someone else, you're right. But it may not be who a team wants.

If you want to quit then quit.

How about that MAJOR rumor blog Ek?

The new cba coming in is only reason he signed that deal other wise he would have sat b/c I doubt Nashville would offer him that deal in the first place
- arnpriorguy

I guess we'll never know now... However the fact is Weber is ours and that's all that matters at this point. Everyone told Poile/owners to put their money where their mouth is, and so they did. We just happened to be pushed a little.

How about that MAJOR rumor blog Ek?
- Doogs

The server dropped it and we are now slowly reassembling it piece by piece thank you for your patience.

I guess we'll never know now... However the fact is Weber is ours and that's all that matters at this point. Everyone told Poile/owners to put their money where their mouth is, and so they did. We just happened to be pushed a little.
- aeroagm

I'm just happy he isn't in the east the guy is a beast on the blue line

I guess we'll never know now... However the fact is Weber is ours and that's all that matters at this point. Everyone told Poile/owners to put their money where their mouth is, and so they did. We just happened to be pushed a little.
- aeroagm

As much as I wanted him to be a Flyer I'm glad for their franchise that they matched. I admire them for running their team the way they want to and being successful at it. I just hope it doesn't ruin them financially, and I guess only time will tell.

Uh.. the early bird gets the worm?
- StayTunedMTC

What are you talking about? Make some sense next time or don't say anything at all.