Yes the Kings won a cup, but it wasn't only Richards who did it. Schenn is only 20. Richards was 26 or 27? The goal of that trade was to get Younger and cheaper.

Yes Weber is great, but do you really trade all your youth for one player? It's a tough decision, and honestly I think Holmgren made the right decision (greasy or not) to try and get The best all around defenseman for draft picks.
- Efs5030

he def. made the right decision especially because the rangers were about to acquire weber's rights via trade. that's apparently one of the main reasons holmgren did it...so NYR couldn't get his rights and can't get him for at least a year now so well played.

DUDE!!!! He was a RFA, meaning he had one more year to play with the Preds, if nothing happened he would have played this year and became a UFA. Which if he really didn't want to play in Nashville, he would have done. In RFA any team can throw an offer sheet at him, however we could match, and we did. What's so complicated about this?
- aeroagm

Have you ever heard of the term arbitration? He didn't have a contract he would have been arbitrated a 1 yeard deal then he'd become an UFA. Unless I am completely wrong that is how I understand the RFA thing.

How did Holmgren blow it? He tried to sign a player and was unsuccessful. HAppens all the time.
- snake17

Really? Offer sheets happen all the time?

I'm done with you.

My dog has more intelligence than you and the squirrels that eat the bird seed that drops from the birds outside have more common sense than you.

WTG! Nashville..........u owe Weber 26million for one yr........OUCH!!! now who the Flyers gonna go after??
- Canuckfan2006

Ek already changing his next "rumour"from Flyers getting Weber to..
Ryan to Flyers (E3)....a close source stated.....

DUDE!!!! He was a RFA, meaning he had one more year to play with the Preds, if nothing happened he would have played this year and became a UFA. Which if he really didn't want to play in Nashville, he would have done. In RFA any team can throw an offer sheet at him, however we could match, and we did. What's so complicated about this?
- aeroagm

DUDE!!!! You're wrong.

He had no contract. If he had a contract he wouldn't have been able to sign the Flyers offer sheet. Nashville controlled his rights as an RFA meaning they could match any offer sheet that he got, but he had no signed contract. Now he does because the contract he signed with the Flyers is valid with the Preds.

Evander Kane is an RFA as we speak. Tell me the terms of his contract for next year. How much will he make in salary?

Have you ever heard of the term arbitration? He didn't have a contract he would have been arbitrated a 1 yeard deal then he'd become an UFA. Unless I am completely wrong that is how I understand the RFA thing.
- Efs5030

Right, if no one made an offer sheet to him. That's wasn't the point though. The explanation was the difference between RFA and UFA.

DUDE!!!! You're wrong.

He had no contract. If he had a contract he wouldn't have been able to sign the Flyers offer sheet. Nashville controlled his rights as an RFA meaning they could match any offer sheet that he got, but he had no signed contract. Now he does because the contract he signed with the Flyers is valid with the Preds.

Evander Kane is an RFA as we speak. Tell me the terms of his contract for next year. How much will he make in salary?
- snake17

The arbitrator rules his salary for the next year you douche.

Really? Offer sheets happen all the time?

I'm done with you.

My dog has more intelligence than you and the squirrels that eat the bird seed that drops from the birds outside have more common sense than you.
- StayTunedMTC

You're the one saying a restricted free agent is not a free agent. I think you're already done with yourself.

Seems kind of stupid on Holmgren's part. If he could have worked Schenn into a deal somehow he would have ended up with the best all around defender in the game. Schenn wasn't untouchable to LA and they got a Cup out of the deal.

A young forward with a lot left to prove isn't worth a d man of Weber's quality? That's insanity. Philly already has a nice offensive group. Their D could use an upgrade. Holmgren just got KO'ed trying to flex too much muscle. If he wants to upgrade at this point it's still going to cost him and he won't be getting nearly the same quality in a trade. Weber was the best out there.
- Kent44

All honesty I belive homer tried to get the best dman in the league for no roster players and lost and also blew any chance of getting him with the contract which very cap friendly

You're the one saying a restricted free agent is not a free agent. I think you're already done with yourself.
- snake17

Nice comeback.

He is a free agent that is restricted, he is not completely free like you were trying to argue earlier.

The arbitrator rules his salary for the next year you douche.
- StayTunedMTC

No, the arbitrator makes a decision about what his compensation will be. He is under absolutely no obligation to sign the contract. If he decided to sit out he would have every right to.

DUDE!!!! You're wrong.

He had no contract. If he had a contract he wouldn't have been able to sign the Flyers offer sheet. Nashville controlled his rights as an RFA meaning they could match any offer sheet that he got, but he had no signed contract. Now he does because the contract he signed with the Flyers is valid with the Preds.

Evander Kane is an RFA as we speak. Tell me the terms of his contract for next year. How much will he make in salary?
- snake17

I'm not wrong... if no one made an offer he would have been re-signed to the Preds for an extra year. Your just using the term Free Agent a little loosely.

Nice comeback.

He is a free agent that is restricted, he is not completely free like you were trying to argue earlier.
- StayTunedMTC

I never said completely free. I said he was a free agent, as in a player with no valid contract.

I'm not wrong... if no one made an offer he would have been re-signed to the Preds for an extra year. Your just using the term Free Agent a little loosely.
- aeroagm

Why would he have re-signed? His contract had expired...he was under no obligation whatsoever to sign any contract. What rule says an RFA is forced against his will to re-sign with the team that holds his rights?

I find it curious that people with no background in finance were certain that the accelerated bonus was going to crash the Nashville budget. Nobody bothers to look at their salary base or budget and realize how simple and inexpensive it is to bridge the extra monies by an a created payout of 11 months through the first dour years of the contract. And, after the first four years the contract is very attractive.

The deal is done, let it go. People did not understand that once Poile decided to freeze Holmgren and not say anything that Nashville's deeper pockets had already set out the course of action.

I still believe a deal was possible. I know there would have been a final offer. But, both GMs are too professional to tell what it was. It was a good effort by Holmgren and an even better response by Poile.

Eklund: Preds Match
- Eklund

this was a complete no-brainer as i told you from the start. the predators were not losing suter and weber in the same off season. on a personal note, so glad the flyers can't buy their way to a cup. we've all had our fill of the flyers, rangers, penguins. and in the end, i'm sick of players abandoning their teams and trying to run to a "winner." i have no problem with ufa's deciiding where they want to play but players like weber, nash...etc. who opt to bail because they don't want to be a part of a "rebuild," eff them. be a part of the solution you overpaid wussies. or, go sell tires because aside from your God given talent, that's all you have the brains for.

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I find it curious that people with no background in finance were certain that the accelerated bonus was going to crash the Nashville budget. Nobody bothers to look at their salary base or budget and realize how simple and inexpensive it is to bridge the extra monies by an a created payout of 11 months through the first dour years of the contract. And, after the first four years the contract is very attractive.

The deal is done, let it go. People did not understand that once Poile decided to freeze Holmgren and not say anything that Nashville's deeper pockets had already set out the course of action.

I still believe a deal was possible. I know there would have been a final offer. But, both GMs are too professional to tell what it was. It was a good effort by Holmgren and an even better response by Poile.
- spatso

I'm not trying to argue with you, but in what situation is it "even better" to let another GM negotiate a contract with your player? Money aside, I just don't see how that is favorable.

this was a complete no-brainer as i told you from the start. the predators were not losing suter and weber in the same off season. on a personal note, so glad the flyers can't buy their way to a cup. we've all had our fill of the flyers, rangers, penguins. and in the end, i'm sick of players abandoning their teams and trying to run to a "winner." i have no problem with ufa's deciiding where they want to play but players like weber, nash...etc. who opt to bail because they don't want to be a part of a "rebuild," eff them. be a part of the solution you overpaid wussies. or, go sell tires because aside from your God given talent, that's all you have the brains for.
- rob121

Time for the LEVES TO MAKE IT TO CUP FINALS YESS?

Right, if no one made an offer sheet to him. That's wasn't the point though. The explanation was the difference between RFA and UFA.
- aeroagm

I've never once brought up UFA vs. RFA. The discussion was about a player being a free agent vs. a player having an active valid contract.

I've never once brought up UFA vs. RFA.
- snake17

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The arbitrator rules his salary for the next year you douche.
- StayTunedMTC

You may want to learn the game a little better before dismissing people as a douche when you are incorrect. But again, it's your dime.

this was a complete no-brainer as i told you from the start. the predators were not losing suter and weber in the same off season. on a personal note, so glad the flyers can't buy their way to a cup. we've all had our fill of the flyers, rangers, penguins. and in the end, i'm sick of players abandoning their teams and trying to run to a "winner." i have no problem with ufa's deciiding where they want to play but players like weber, nash...etc. who opt to bail because they don't want to be a part of a "rebuild," eff them. be a part of the solution you overpaid wussies. or, go sell tires because aside from your God given talent, that's all you have the brains for.
- rob121

You're faulting players for wanting to win?

I'm not wrong... if no one made an offer he would have been re-signed to the Preds for an extra year. Your just using the term Free Agent a little loosely.
- aeroagm

Umm very wrong an RFA can deside not to sign and sit out until he signs a contract he likes however if he doesn't since by December first of that year he sits out the rest of the year and if u think he was entitled to arbitration he wasn't first 5 years of NHL service a team can take him to arbitration after that none

I've never once brought up UFA vs. RFA. The discussion was about a player being a free agent vs. a player having an active valid contract.
- snake17

Ok. You're just trying to talk yourself out of looking like a dumbass, so just drop it.