looooooooooooool

the reason it's so greasy is that same reason you guys are saying the sakic offer sheet was greasy.

both offer sheets were structured for the exact same reason yet the NYR one is greasy but PHI one isn't?
- rangerdanger94

I never once said the Sakic offer sheet was greasy. He was an RFA. The Rangers tried to sign him to a contract that would have made him a Ranger. That's the point, no?

Say this with me...Restricted FREE AGENT. As in NO CONTRACT. Nashville having the right to match in no way changes the fact that he was a free agent.
- snake17

You said free agent.

He has no contract... so what, he plays the last year for free?

Are you being serious right now? Or is this all a troll game.

It's not supposed to effect you really.

I just thought pictures may help you understand a little better because you clearly have a low IQ.

- StayTunedMTC

I have the low IQ but you claim that a restricted free agent is not a free agent. Gotcha.

Holmgren can't possibly be stupid enough to let Giroux get to RFA status. He has to sign him to a long term deal. Maybe not 14 years but 6 years.
- Efs5030

It's not a question of if he will or won't.

My question to him was:
If Giroux was offer sheeted, will he feel it was greasy.

looooooooooooool

the reason it's so greasy is that same reason you guys are saying the sakic offer sheet was greasy.

both offer sheets were structured for the exact same reason yet the NYR one is greasy but PHI one isn't?
- rangerdanger94

I never said the Sakic one was greasy... I don't think either one is greasy. I think they are a part of the game like it or not.

Say this with me...Restricted FREE AGENT. As in NO CONTRACT. Nashville having the right to match in no way changes the fact that he was a free agent.
- snake17

nobody is disputing the fact that you had the right to do it. in fact, i think the majority of people are praising you guys for giving this a shot. it was a very smart move and a move i wish sather attempted.

at the same time, it's a great move because it's greasy. it's a great move because it was designed to bankrupt the predators so they couldn't match. it backfired.

your GM is the new Sather handing out the worst contracts in the NHL. how many lifetime contracts is that now in the past 2 or 3 years? bryz, carter, richards, pronger, weber.

I have the low IQ but you claim that a restricted free agent is not a free agent. Gotcha.
- snake17

A free agent is FREE.
a restricted free agent is RESTRICTED FREE.

meaning, he's not FREE.

DURRRR

You said free agent.

He has no contract... so what, he plays the last year for free?

Are you being serious right now? Or is this all a troll game.
- StayTunedMTC

Are you for real? Weber had a contact that expired at the conclusion of last season, making him a restricted free agent.

How could the Flyers sign him to an offer sheet if he already had a contract?

It's not a question of if he will or won't.

My question to him was:
If Giroux was offer sheeted, will he feel it was greasy.
- StayTunedMTC

Not unless he has the ego of one of the Jersey Shore guys or Eric Cartman.

It's not a question of if he will or won't.

My question to him was:
If Giroux was offer sheeted, will he feel it was greasy.
- StayTunedMTC

correction: if the flyers only had $5 million in cap space available and someone offer sheeted giroux to a deal with a $12 million cap hit...would it feel greasy?

Are you for real? Weber had a contact that expired at the conclusion of last season, making him a restricted free agent.

How could the Flyers sign him to an offer sheet if he already had a contract?
- snake17

You can't, but RFA works differently.

A free agent is FREE.
a restricted free agent is RESTRICTED FREE.

meaning, he's not FREE.

DURRRR
- StayTunedMTC

So you're saying he wasn't free to sign an offer sheet with any NHL team?

WHat is greasy about signing a player that is a free agent? Even if Nashville had the right to match HE HAD NO CONTRACT...what is greasy about that?
- snake17

It's not greasy at all it's a very little used tactic in the Cba but holmgren did blow it how would u feel about negotiating a contract that turns out to be for another team

couts and schenn are untouchable, wouldnt trade them straight up for the best defender in the game


so he has missed out on suter, weber, parise........let carle, jagr go
- dmarsden2988

Seems kind of stupid on Holmgren's part. If he could have worked Schenn into a deal somehow he would have ended up with the best all around defender in the game. Schenn wasn't untouchable to LA and they got a Cup out of the deal.

A young forward with a lot left to prove isn't worth a d man of Weber's quality? That's insanity. Philly already has a nice offensive group. Their D could use an upgrade. Holmgren just got KO'ed trying to flex too much muscle. If he wants to upgrade at this point it's still going to cost him and he won't be getting nearly the same quality in a trade. Weber was the best out there.

Are you for real? Weber had a contact that expired at the conclusion of last season, making him a restricted free agent.

How could the Flyers sign him to an offer sheet if he already had a contract?
- snake17

I get what your saying.

I'm just saying he wasnt a free agent, he was an RFA. There's a difference.

If there wasn't, none of this would be an issue right now.

correction: if the flyers only had $5 million in cap space available and someone offer sheeted giroux to a deal with a $12 million cap hit...would it feel greasy?
- rangerdanger94

No, not at all. If the Flyers managed their way into a situation that another team could exploit, how is that not TOTALLY the Flyers fault?

correction: if the flyers only had $5 million in cap space available and someone offer sheeted giroux to a deal with a $12 million cap hit...would it feel greasy?
- rangerdanger94

That is a bad example as the Predators had enough cap space obviously. Maybe if they had 8 million of space and was offered 7 that would be a good example.

A free agent is FREE.
a restricted free agent is RESTRICTED FREE.

meaning, he's not FREE.

DURRRR
- StayTunedMTC

This debate is reminiscent of the Frost/Nixon interview of 1977.

comon man Luongo is one greasy mother(frank)er, Brylcreem is not his friend.
- shinebox

(frank) off

I get what your saying.

I'm just saying he wasnt a free agent, he was an RFA. There's a difference.
- StayTunedMTC

There is no difference. A player either has a contract or he doesn't. He is a free agent whether he is restricted or not.

So you're saying he wasn't free to sign an offer sheet with any NHL team?
- snake17

DUDE!!!! He was a RFA, meaning he had one more year to play with the Preds, if nothing happened he would have played this year and became a UFA. Which if he really didn't want to play in Nashville, he would have done. In RFA any team can throw an offer sheet at him, however we could match, and we did. What's so complicated about this?

Seems kind of stupid on Holmgren's part. If he could have worked Schenn into a deal somehow he would have ended up with the best all around defender in the game. Schenn wasn't untouchable to LA and they got a Cup out of the deal.

- Kent44

Yes the Kings won a cup, but it wasn't only Richards who did it. Schenn is only 20. Richards was 26 or 27? The goal of that trade was to get Younger and cheaper.

Yes Weber is great, but do you really trade all your youth for one player? It's a tough decision, and honestly I think Holmgren made the right decision (greasy or not) to try and get The best all around defenseman for draft picks.

There is no difference. A player either has a contract or he doesn't. He is a free agent whether he is restricted or not.
- snake17

No, he is not a free agent if he is restricted.

Do you know what restricted means?

It means you're not completely free, something is holding you back or in place.

Nashville still had rights to him, even w/o a contract. Philly tried, Nashville answered.

That doesn't sound too free does it?

If he was a free agent, he could have signed with Philly and Nashville could have done anything.

How this is hard for you to grasp is beyond me. Do I need to resort to pictures again?

It's not greasy at all it's a very little used tactic in the Cba but holmgren did blow it how would u feel about negotiating a contract that turns out to be for another team
- arnpriorguy

How did Holmgren blow it? He tried to sign a player and was unsuccessful. HAppens all the time.

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