Anyone know how Pronger's contract will affect the Flyers cap long term if he doesn't recover? As an 35+ player his cap hit counts if he retires, but can they keep him on IR for five years?
- 1970vintage

He will stay on IR . this way he gets paid by insurance and does not count against cap.

What the flyers will do is bring Pronger in every year for a standard medical and if he fails the medical which he will then they can put him on the IR with no cap consequence. If he retires then his cap hit will be valid so no way he retires.

What the flyers will do is bring Pronger in every year for a standard medical and if he fails the medical which he will then they can put him on the IR with no cap consequence. If he retires then his cap hit will be valid so no way he retires.
- Bluechip23

Welcome to the thread Bluechip. The more the merrier.

Offersheets can be pointless and backfire on you. I'm all for a offer to a player like Weber who wants out of a city and is definitly an unique impact player. Most of the time it's not worth it. It backfired on Gillis because the offer was near market value. Gillis was concerned about losing the pics and over paying. In the end there was retalaition and the loss of a trade partner. Bernier was all of a sudden earning Backes $$. Teams can go over the cap by 10% There's no point at making an offer like that when the decision is easy to match.

I would make an offer to Benn. Again, relationships between the owners is cold and trades believed to be very unlikely in the near future...nothing to lose. Take a big shot at this player. He's very young and has a ton of upside yet... he's worth overpaying. There's no point in giving up so much for a Dman unless it is a ready to go elite #1. If Doan decides to sign elsewhere and Benn is still open to an offer sheet...go for it. We can dump Lu and Ballard if need be. Would you trade Lu and Ballard for Benn? Look at it that way.

There's a healthy relationship to lose by signing Kane. I'd love him here tho...

What the flyers will do is bring Pronger in every year for a standard medical and if he fails the medical which he will then they can put him on the IR with no cap consequence. If he retires then his cap hit will be valid so no way he retires.
- Bluechip23

Was just wondering if there were any restrictions on how long a player can stay on IR. I wonder if the NHL at some point would step in with an unbiased doctor. I mean seriously, if Pronger is not recovered from a concussion if five years that is messed up. Not that he could play again after so long off, but that was the risk they took when they signed him to that huge contract.

Offersheets can be pointless and backfire on you. I'm all for a offer to a player like Weber who wants out of a city and is definitly an unique impact player. Most of the time it's not worth it. It backfired on Gillis because the offer was near market value. Gillis was concerned about losing the pics and over paying. In the end there was retalaition and the loss of a trade partner. Bernier was all of a sudden earning Backes $$. Teams can go over the cap by 10% There's no point at making an offer like that when the decision is easy to match.

I would make an offer to Benn. Again, relationships between the owners is cold and trades believed to be very unlikely in the near future...nothing to lose. Take a big shot at this player. He's very young and has a ton of upside yet... he's worth overpaying. There's no point in giving up so much for a Dman unless it is a ready to go elite #1. If Doan decides to sign elsewhere and Benn is still open to an offer sheet...go for it. We can dump Lu and Ballard if need be. Would you trade Lu and Ballard for Benn? Look at it that way.

There's a healthy relationship to lose by signing Kane. I'd love him here tho...
- boonerbuck

Offer sheets aren't THAT bad...perhaps if the team didn't give the other team much time and made a ridiculous offer sheet... but its almost August... the team and that particular RFA obviously aren't coming to terms. I also believe a team should make a trade attempt first (such as the flyers with Weber was rumored to be) that way a team can try and put together a respectable deal.. if the team doesn't respond for a couple weeks I think an offer sheet is a reasonable course of action.

I understand there is sort of this unwritten rule when it comes to offer sheets... but teams can't wait forever... they have to make those moves at some point and prepare for the season.

Offersheets can be pointless and backfire on you. I'm all for a offer to a player like Weber who wants out of a city and is definitly an unique impact player. Most of the time it's not worth it. It backfired on Gillis because the offer was near market value. Gillis was concerned about losing the pics and over paying. In the end there was retalaition and the loss of a trade partner. Bernier was all of a sudden earning Backes $$. Teams can go over the cap by 10% There's no point at making an offer like that when the decision is easy to match.

I would make an offer to Benn. Again, relationships between the owners is cold and trades believed to be very unlikely in the near future...nothing to lose. Take a big shot at this player. He's very young and has a ton of upside yet... he's worth overpaying. There's no point in giving up so much for a Dman unless it is a ready to go elite #1. If Doan decides to sign elsewhere and Benn is still open to an offer sheet...go for it. We can dump Lu and Ballard if need be. Would you trade Lu and Ballard for Benn? Look at it that way.

There's a healthy relationship to lose by signing Kane. I'd love him here tho...
- boonerbuck

With Kane being "disgruntled", I think a blockbuster trade is possible & a better route than an offer sheet. I still think the time to trade Edler is now if Gillis isn't getting anywhere with an affordable extension.

To WPG: Edler, Booth, Raymond
To VAN: Kane, Byfuglien (both supposedly unhappy in WPG)

With Kane being "disgruntled", I think a blockbuster trade is possible & a better route than an offer sheet. I still think the time to trade Edler is now if Gillis isn't getting anywhere with an affordable extension.

To WPG: Edler, Booth, Raymond
To VAN: Kane, Byfuglien (both supposedly unhappy in WPG)
- GhostOfDCT

Affirmative action?

Offer sheets aren't THAT bad...perhaps if the team didn't give the other team much time and made a ridiculous offer sheet... but its almost August... the team and that particular RFA obviously aren't coming to terms. I also believe a team should make a trade attempt first (such as the flyers with Weber was rumored to be) that way a team can try and put together a respectable deal.. if the team doesn't respond for a couple weeks I think an offer sheet is a reasonable course of action.

I understand there is sort of this unwritten rule when it comes to offer sheets... but teams can't wait forever... they have to make those moves at some point and prepare for the season.
- kneughter

July 1 was only 3 weeks ago. The beginning of the season is no further than the SCF was... it's early still...not even Aug yet. Arbritration hearing are only going on now... it's not late in the off season at all. Many UFA's are still unsigned and many teams don't have a clue what kind of money they can spend on their players that are protected yet. It's *poaching* time plain and simple. Time to *force* decisions.

Offer sheets may not seem that bad to you but it is to the GM trying to perform a balancing act while not losing his future stars.

July 1 was only 3 weeks ago. The beginning of the season is no further than the SCF was... it's early still...not even Aug yet. Arbritration hearing are only going on now... it's not late in the off season at all. Many UFA's are still unsigned and many teams don't have a clue what kind of money they can spend on their players that are protected yet. It's *poaching* time plain and simple. Time to *force* decisins.

Offer sheets may not seem that bad to you but to the GM trying to perform a balancing act while not losing his future stars it is.
- boonerbuck

I understand with most RFAs... but "star" RFA's should be top priority. And there seems to be an abundance of them right now.. perhaps it has something to do with the CBA trying to be dealt with. But as it stands now.. offer sheets are perfectly legal and is certainly an option for a team who has had no luck via trades. Is a GM really burning bridges?... there really only seems to be a handful of teams that Gillis deals with... what would happen exactly if Canucks made an offer sheet to Kane? I'd rather go for Benn personally... I'm not saying teams should be throwing out a bunch of offer sheets each year (not like you can).. but if there is a player you really want and trading doesn't seem to be an option.. then go for it.

BTW.. you can extend RFA's anytime... you don't have to wait until July 1st. It just seems that more teams/players nowadays are opting for arbitration.

With Kane being "disgruntled", I think a blockbuster trade is possible & a better route than an offer sheet. I still think the time to trade Edler is now if Gillis isn't getting anywhere with an affordable extension.

To WPG: Edler, Booth, Raymond
To VAN: Kane, Byfuglien (both supposedly unhappy in WPG)
- GhostOfDCT

I like your thinking. I don't think Gillis gives Edler more than Bieksa and I don't think the Edler camp will take less than 6 as a pending UFA.

I don't know if they would touch Booth or Raymond in a Kane deal but we could always hope. They may want Jensen instead of one of those two. A bonified NHL prospect seems like the usual desire when losing one of your young future stars. The Jets still risk not getting Edler re-signed as well.

I understand with most RFAs... but "star" RFA's should be top priority. And there seems to be an abundance of them right now.. perhaps it has something to do with the CBA trying to be dealt with. But as it stands now.. offer sheets are perfectly legal and is certainly an option for a team who has had no luck via trades. Is a GM really burning bridges?... there really only seems to be a handful of teams that Gillis deals with... what would happen exactly if Canucks made an offer sheet to Kane? I'd rather go for Benn personally... I'm not saying teams should be throwing out a bunch of offer sheets each year (not like you can).. but if there is a player you really want and trading doesn't seem to be an option.. then go for it.

BTW.. you can extend RFA's anytime... you don't have to wait until July 1st. It just seems that more teams/players nowadays are opting for arbitration.
- kneughter

I know they can sign bfore July 1st. You missed the point, teams have holes to fill. They have to balance a budget. July is not late in the offseason. If the RFA won't sign, how does it come down to the GM not getting it done? It's not as simple as that.

If you think it's no big deal then why is it not done often? You and the GM's are of different opinions obviously.

Affirmative action?
- bloatedmosquito

Again a response to a post on the previous blog.

Fair point, although I can't see how you discern that I'm a troll as I have yet to troll anyone in any sense. I could likely use a more 'productive' avatar, but what's your avatar a picture of? Edwards Scissorhands

I'm glad we won the FHFF, can you imagine the riot had we not gotten the record?!?

It's you're not your.
- Scooby_Doo

Nice catch. I have to say that the grammar on your suicide rants after the SCF loss was exquisite.

Gino Odjick‏@ginodjick

@HockeyyInsiderr @d_leed B Who U R Mystery Hockey Man The Lack Of Authenticity In The World Is Painful.There Is Enough Parity In This World!

Again a response to a post on the previous blog.

Fair point, although I can't see how you discern that I'm a troll as I have yet to troll anyone in any sense. I could likely use a more 'productive' avatar, but what's your avatar a picture of? Edwards Scissorhands
- MaximumBone

If Minny was really trying to get rid of Heatley would Vancouver fans consider a mutual salary dump of Ballard Raymond and a 2 nd for him. Raymond has 1 year and Ballard has 3 more remaining . So they would save 1 mil this year and 3 mil the following year. If they didn't like Ballard they could buy him out on the last year or trade him.

We get a top 6 RW who is sometimes lazy but can still get you 30 to 40 goals a year.

If Minny was really trying to get rid of Heatley would Vancouver fans consider a mutual salary dump of Ballard Raymond and a 2 nd for him. Raymond has 1 year and Ballard has 3 more remaining . So they would save 1 mil this year and 3 mil the following year. If they didn't like Ballard they could buy him out on the last year or trade him.

We get a top 6 RW who is sometimes lazy but can still get you 30 to 40 goals a year.
- VANTEL

He killed someone.


They say Semin is a coach killer. We could sign him...

He killed someone.


They say Semin is a coach killer. We could sign him...
- boonerbuck

Well thats pretty irrelevant...

He killed someone.
- boonerbuck

Classy

He killed someone.


They say Semin is a coach killer. We could sign him...
- boonerbuck

Semin we would have to aquire via UFA. Heatley is a salary dump we get rid of two contracts .

Michael Olsen‏@NHLInsiderOlsen

Multiple sources telling me the #Preds have decided to match Weber's offer sheet. Stay tuned as I search for confirmation.

Minny will not get rid of heatley anytime soon. They just spent a fortune on upgrading their roster so the reality is they will want to keep as much talent as possible. I know heatley as seen better days but he is still a top 4 talent on that minny team. Raymond and ballard are terrible no one wants them or their contracts.

Michael Olsen‏@NHLInsiderOlsen

Multiple sources telling me the #Preds have decided to match Weber's offer sheet. Stay tuned as I search for confirmation.
- VANTEL

Yep.
http://www.rds.ca/hockey/chroniques/344422.html

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