That absolutely is the best case scenario, and while I agree it is possible, I think that a Gratton situation is the most likely outcome.

Nashville can get more for the picks they receive from the Flyers, because in that trade the Flyers are trading them for a guarantee that the Preds won't match the offer sheet. That's why I still see that as the most likely outcome. I can see the Preds matching, but have no idea how the ice a competitive team with the money due to Weber and Rinne.
- Jsaquella

I agree. The reality is that 1st round picks 2,3,4 years out, particularly what are likely to be low-round picks, are heavily discounted in the minds of NHL GM's who are trying to win today. No guarantee you even have a job with that team in a couple of years. And then consider the players are at least 2-4 years away from the time you pick them.

That is probably the other slightly hidden reason offer sheets are never done for the superstar players. Unless the offer is completely unviable for the current team to absorb, there is almost no benefit to not matching.

The Rangers could also move for Nash. It's not Ryan or bust for them.
- Jsaquella

i think nash is who they want anyway. i also don't see nashville dragging this out for 7 days. not saying their decision has been made yet, but it won't go the distance. the longer it goes, the worse i feel. i want weber badly.

Bryzgalov has a lot of prime years left. Goaltenders frequently play, and play well, into their late 30's.
- MJL

They can, but there are no guarantees. I think everyone would agree that getting something done if the first 4 years of Bryzgalov's deal is where you want to get something done.

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- MJL

and you eliminated Prongers cap hit why? He counts in the offseason. As you have been harping all offseason

without a doubt. the collateral damage is enormous, and i dont' know if the punishment fits the crime.
- hammarby31

It certainly is a travesty to the players, students, and the Coaches and Administrators who had no part in this. But it has to be done. And those responsible need to get what's due to them. If Spanier and the rest of them don't go to jail. And other's that were involved in the cover up. I'll be pissed. With the price that some are going to have to pay that don't deserve it. And Paterno's family needs to start getting a grip on reality and realize what he did.

and you eliminated Prongers cap hit why? He counts in the offseason. As you have been harping all offseason
- Flyers2821

I've eliminated Pronger's Cap hit because he goes on LTIR when the Season starts. I'll be glad to to add Pronger to the list, and raise the Flyers Upper Limit. The results will be the same.

A rookie that scored 25 goals, and can play in all situations. Has speed and is a solid 2 way player. For a 900K Cap hit. He's not drastically overrating him at all.
- MJL

They can, but there are no guarantees. I think everyone would agree that getting something done if the first 4 years of Bryzgalov's deal is where you want to get something done.
- PLindbergh31

There's no guarantee for any player. I see no reason to place any kind of limit on when something needs to be done. He's here for the duration. And no reason why he can't remain a top goaltender for the duration.

I've eliminated Pronger's Cap hit because he goes on LTIR when the Season starts. I'll be glad to to add Pronger to the list, and raise the Flyers Upper Limit. The results will be the same.
- MJL

Funny, you are now making the argument you were adamantly arguing against for so long.

We will probably have to wait until Wednesday evening to find out. I'm not thrilled with trading a fairly large package because I'm not sure how those holes will be filled. If Nashville is willing to match, I would prefer they do so, and the Flyers to re-sign Jake and get Doan. That would still be a very solid team.
- PLindbergh31

I believe the deadline is earlier in the day.

We will probably have to wait until Wednesday evening to find out. I'm not thrilled with trading a fairly large package because I'm not sure how those holes will be filled. If Nashville is willing to match, I would prefer they do so, and the Flyers to re-sign Jake and get Doan. That would still be a very solid team.
- PLindbergh31

I'm OK with trading a fairly large package, nowhere near thrilled with it. And honestly, I'm OK with it if they don't end up with Weber. Not the end of the world at all. They have a good solid foundation in place and room to add other pieces.

Sure it'd be a bit disappointing to not land Weber, but ultimately it's not a killer.

The one thing I am against is an overpayment for Weber. Given his stature in the game, age and ability he has a ton of value.

There's no guarantee for any player. I see no reason to place any kind of limit on when something needs to be done. He's here for the duration. And no reason why he can't remain a top goaltender for the duration.
- MJL

One would hope so. Year 1 wasn't a good one. I think Bryzgalov will be better in year 2. My point was to expect Bryzgalov to play at the same level when he is 37-39 as opposed to the beginning of the contract isn't very realistic.

Funny, you are now making the argument you were adamantly arguing against for so long.
- Flyers2821

Funny? More like your making an argument and placing words in my mouth. Go ahead and crunch the numbers. And present the Flyers Off Season Cap figures. Anytime you want to talk CBA and the Salary Cap, I'm available.

I'm OK with trading a fairly large package, nowhere near thrilled with it. And honestly, I'm OK with it if they don't end up with Weber. Not the end of the world at all. They have a good solid foundation in place and room to add other pieces.

Sure it'd be a bit disappointing to not land Weber, but ultimately it's not a killer.

The one thing I am against is an overpayment for Weber. Given his stature in the game, age and ability he has a ton of value.
- Jsaquella

Just imagine if they don't get anyone else this offseason... would this be the biggest offseason tease in the history of sports? hahahaha

Weber, Suter, Parise, Doan, Ryan, Nash... nothing.

I'd move Jake, Meszy, Read, and picks too. For the record.

i think nash is who they want anyway. i also don't see nashville dragging this out for 7 days. not saying their decision has been made yet, but it won't go the distance. the longer it goes, the worse i feel. i want weber badly.
- hammarby31

The weird thing is, if they match they have to file paperwork with the NHL and Weber's agents. If they decline, they don't have to do anything except let the deadline pass. There's nothing in the rules that say that they can't say they're passing tomorrow, and then turn around and match Wednesday

Just imagine if they don't get anyone else this offseason... would this be the biggest offseason tease in the history of sports? hahahaha

Weber, Suter, Parise, Doan, Ryan, Nash... nothing.
- Flyers2821

Sure it's a tease, but the bottom line is that they'd still have a competitive team.

Funny? More like your making an argument and placing words in my mouth. Go ahead and crunch the numbers. And present the Flyers Off Season Cap figures. Anytime you want to talk CBA and the Salary Cap, I'm available.
- MJL

Dude I have used that argument so many times for removing Pronger from the cap situation when talking about the offseason and you have come in EVERY SINGLE TIME and argued against it.

And FYI, it is impossible to get the actual offseason cap numbers without knowing the exact amount of days the two-way players were on the roster last season. So your figures are not accurate by any means. As you said repeatedly to any other cap numbers that were posted in here in the past.

And yes, it is funny because you have done a complete 180 when it comes to using CapGeek to get the actual offseason numbers.

One would hope so. Year 1 wasn't a good one. I think Bryzgalov will be better in year 2. My point was to expect Bryzgalov to play at the same level when he is 37-39 as opposed to the beginning of the contract isn't very realistic.
- PLindbergh31

And my point is that we see many examples of it. And I think he can play at the same level at a later age. Barring any serious health issues of course.

Just imagine if they don't get anyone else this offseason... would this be the biggest offseason tease in the history of sports? hahahaha

Weber, Suter, Parise, Doan, Ryan, Nash... nothing.
- Flyers2821

And no Cup in 2013 either.

I'm OK with trading a fairly large package, nowhere near thrilled with it. And honestly, I'm OK with it if they don't end up with Weber. Not the end of the world at all. They have a good solid foundation in place and room to add other pieces.

Sure it'd be a bit disappointing to not land Weber, but ultimately it's not a killer.

The one thing I am against is an overpayment for Weber. Given his stature in the game, age and ability he has a ton of value.
- Jsaquella

Agreed. If Holmgren and the Flyers realistically think Nashville cannot match, I don't see any reason for a trade to be made that includes roster players. But who knows what goes on behind the scenes. I'm sure there is some dialogue between Poile and Holmgren.

The thinking amongst many fans is Weber will be had for 4 "lottery tickets" is what has a lot of people excited. If the Flyers have to trade Schenn, or Couturier that excitement will be tempered.

nothing to do with frank, but the frivolity irked me, as i have been thinking a lot about the incident in aurora. usually these kinds of things roll off my back a bit, but this one is really bothering me and i'm quite sad. thinking about it a lot. i think seeing so many tweets about it over the last couple of days is part of that, and to see something like what frank posted just annoyed the hell out of me. again, nothing against him personally. i also realize people need to go on with their lives, certainly those who were unaffected.
- hammarby31

what did he post?

Dude I have used that argument so many times for removing Pronger from the cap situation when talking about the offseason and you have come in EVERY SINGLE TIME and argued against it.

And FYI, it is impossible to get the actual offseason cap numbers without knowing the exact amount of days the two-way players were on the roster last season. So your figures are not accurate by any means. As you said repeatedly to any other cap numbers that were posted in here in the past.

And yes, it is funny because you have done a complete 180 when it comes to using CapGeek to get the actual offseason numbers.



- Flyers2821

FYI, it's not impossible. All of the information including the number of days the two way players spent on the roster, is available at Capgeek.

And your incorrect in what I argued against. I know the exact rules, for who counts when, and how. And your also incorrect that I've repeatedly said that any other Cap numbers posted were not accurate because you can't get the numbers. I post it's inaccurate when it simply is. For various reasons due to the rules of the CBA. Which I am well versed in.

And I've done a 180 to using Capgeek? Incredibly incorrect. I've always used Capgeek. since it's inception. And I've used it for both the in Season and Off Season Cap numbers. All of which I've posted on here numerous times.

I'd move Jake, Meszy, Read, and picks too. For the record.
- LordStanley88

Read and Jake go to Nashville... So that puts the Flyers down Jagr, Jake, Read, and JVR from last years forward depth.

What do you have Shelley playing on the second line this year?

FYI, it's not impossible. All of the information including the number of days the two way players spent on the roster, is available at Capgeek.

And your incorrect in what I argued against. I know the exact rules, for who counts when, and how. And your also incorrect that I've repeatedly said that any other Cap numbers posted were not accurate because you can't get the numbers. I post it's inaccurate when it simply is. For various reasons due to the rules of the CBA. Which I am well versed in.
- MJL

You are completely full of poop. Not even worth arguing with cause everything you just posted here is a complete fabrication.