Well, let's say he gets traded and retires. Then the new CBA has a salary and cap roll back. That cap hit won't roll back.
- Jsaquella

what exactly is this "salary and cap roll back"

I also wouldn't be surprised if there is a trade that some Flyers fans will be upset at the cost.


This is exactly what I think will happen.....I do think some over value some of our players....the deal probably gets done if Giroux.....and one of Schenn or Couturier remains in Philly.
The price is still going to be high. I mean even if it is Vorecek, Read, meszaros and picks....that's a huge price....

This is exactly what I think will happen.....I do think some over value some of our players....the deal probably gets done if Giroux.....and one of Schenn or Couturier remains in Philly.
The price is still going to be high. I mean even if it is Vorecek, Read, meszaros and picks....that's a huge price....
- landros 2

That is not a huge price for Shea Weber. With that siad, it is going to be much less than that. The offer sheet put the Flyers in the drivers seat and gave them the bargaining power.

I think Voracek is a slam dunk to be sent over cause they need to reach the cap floor and they can overpay a bit for Voracek to help get them there and stil have a great young talented player locked up for years. Beyond that, it's gonna be picks and maybe a guy like Mez.

If the Fly dont just call their bluff and not offer a side trade.

Imo Flyers have much more leverage than you think. Nashville must decide to either take on Weber's contract commitment in 3 days or to let him go for 4 1st round picks. There are no extensions. There are zero other teams but the flyers to deal with. Their options are very limited.... and time is ticking. If they deem they can't afford the contract the only way out is through the flyers. Meanwhile the flyers don't need weber (although they want him), and are putting on a show to let Poile know they have other options by courting doan. Flyers have all the power IF they are willing to let weber go to Nashville on a deal thats not on their terms. Good news for us... homer is the best at getting things done on his terms.
- moylander

Their options are limited to three. Match, dont match, or a trade of sorts. That has zero correlation with who has the power. They have all the power. They can lock up the best d man in the league for life. They can afford the contract. The issue is that they may not be able to sign Weber and build a complete team. Which is why I believe they are waiting for the best deal.

I just want it to end....really there hasnt been a peep in alittle over 3 days now....ugh

what a turn of events. all in the name of not looking bad. had they dealt with the truth at the time, none of this would be happening, some kids would have been spared, joepa is probably still alive, etc. instead by covering it up, they've made it infinitely worse. there's a serious lesson to be learned here.
- hammarby31

As Nixon said, the cover up can sometimes be worse than the crime. I don't think that's true in this case, but the repercussions certainly are worse for the school. As far as the future of the future of the football program, I feel bad for the kids and coaches who had nothing to do with this. But I also feel that universities need to stop giving the kind of power that existed at PSU to other football coaches and programs.

Imo Flyers have much more leverage than you think. Nashville must decide to either take on Weber's contract commitment in 3 days or to let him go for 4 1st round picks. There are no extensions. There are zero other teams but the flyers to deal with. Their options are very limited.... and time is ticking. If they deem they can't afford the contract the only way out is through the flyers. Meanwhile the flyers don't need weber (although they want him), and are putting on a show to let Poile know they have other options by courting doan. Flyers have all the power IF they are willing to let weber go to Nashville on a deal thats not on their terms. Good news for us... homer is the best at getting things done on his terms.
- moylander

Word up!

I guess no one did read or if its true.. that the one owner with all the loot upped his ownership from 5% to 12%

I won't be confident until I hear Poile announce the decision that the Predators have declined to match. I still see it as a 50-50 proposition, because most of the "news" has been speculation by media that didn't even understand the rules governing the offer sheet process fully.

I was guilty of the same thing on the first night. We all know the reported financials, the stories of the massive loans the team took out over the past few years, the difficulty Nashville faces to ice a competitive team while paying Weber and Rinne. But I wouldn't be surprised at any of the three scenarios we've been discussing happening.

I also wouldn't be surprised if there is a trade that some Flyers fans will be upset at the cost.
- Jsaquella

Well done sir!

Tomorrow two things will happen the NCAA will hand out the punishment(fact) and the Shea Weber Saga will end

what exactly is this "salary and cap roll back"
- Flyers2821

The NHL's original proposal would redefine "hockey revenues" and lower the cap to $50mm. When the current CBA was negotiated, the NHLPA agreed to cut all existing contracts by 24%. The possibility remains that a similar cut could happen.

As Nixon said, the cover up can sometimes be worse than the crime. I don't think that's true in this case, but the repercussions certainly are worse for the school. As far as the future of the future of the football program, I feel bad for the kids and coaches who had nothing to do with this. But I also feel that universities need to stop giving the kind of power that existed at PSU to other football coaches and programs.
- Jsaquella

The issue is, football teams are more important than the school itself. There is a major issue at hand if the result of shutting down a football program is that the university will suffer tremendously.

I understand that is just how things are these days with the magnitude of college sports, but it certainly is part of the problem.

I guess no one did read or if its true.. that the one owner with all the loot upped his ownership from 5% to 12%
- Slammed81

yep and he is Canadian.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._Brett_Wilson

The best part about this Penn St. situation is all the businesses in Happy Valley that would go bankrupt. Businesses that depend on the six Saturdays of Penn St. football to stay afloat.

I love seeing innocent people getting crushed in collateral damage. It really puts a pep in my step.

and maybe PSU football

http://www.cbsnews.com/83...lties-against-penn-state/

CBS News has learned that the NCAA will announce what a high-ranking association source called "unprecedented" penalties against both the Penn State University football team and the school.

"I've never seen anything like it," the source told correspondent Armen Keteyian
- Jsaquella

sandusky gets the death penalty

I guess no one did read or if its true.. that the one owner with all the loot upped his ownership from 5% to 12%
- Slammed81

How does this matter?

Tomorrow two things will happen the NCAA will hand out the punishment(fact) and the Shea Weber Saga will end
- Slammed81

I don't think the Weber thing ends until Wednesday.

As Nixon said, the cover up can sometimes be worse than the crime. I don't think that's true in this case, but the repercussions certainly are worse for the school. As far as the future of the future of the football program, I feel bad for the kids and coaches who had nothing to do with this. But I also feel that universities need to stop giving the kind of power that existed at PSU to other football coaches and programs.
- Jsaquella

I also think they should go the whole way with it. Give back all the money he ever donated and knock down the buildings too. Taking down statue but not the name on library? Sounds like PSU is picking an choosing things.

Tomorrow two things will happen the NCAA will hand out the punishment(fact) and the Shea Weber Saga will end
- Slammed81

Tomorrow could be doubley as sucky, atleast give me Weber

yep and he is Canadian.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._Brett_Wilson
- BingoLady

ok so it did happen? and how did the flyers brass in here not pick it up or mention it....and what does him being a canadian have to do with anything??

The issue is, football teams are more important than the school itself. There is a major issue at hand if the result of shutting down a football program is that the university will suffer tremendously.

I understand that is just how things are these days with the magnitude of college sports, but it certainly is part of the problem.
- Flyers2821

Exactly my point. The primary goal of these schools should be to turn out well educated men and women that can go on to lead successful and meaningful lives.

My wife and I had this discussion this morning. She noted that professional sports make all this money and players get paid, and she understood what I meant when I said that pro sports exist solely for the sport and to make money. Places like Penn State have a higher obligation.

Their options are limited to three. Match, dont match, or a trade of sorts. That has zero correlation with who has the power. They have all the power. They can lock up the best d man in the league for life. They can afford the contract. The issue is that they may not be able to sign Weber and build a complete team. Which is why I believe they are waiting for the best deal.
- Daman

The contract was intentionally structured to harm the nashville franchise.... so your oversimplification of the issue is not accurate.

The options imo are:

swallow the poison pill to lock up weber for life.
Trade with the flyers... only the flyers
Accept the 4 picks for weber.

And decide by Wednesday.

Who put them in this spot.... the team with the power did. If the OS was such a great thing for Nashville they would have already said hell yeah flyers... keep your damn picks!!!

I guess no one did read or if its true.. that the one owner with all the loot upped his ownership from 5% to 12%
- Slammed81

It's immaterial, unless he ends up a majority owner and the one that drives the decision.

How does this matter?
- Flyers2821

i think its interesting dont you? 5% to 12% isnt much really but its interesting

That is not a huge price for Shea Weber. With that siad, it is going to be much less than that. The offer sheet put the Flyers in the drivers seat and gave them the bargaining power.

I think Voracek is a slam dunk to be sent over cause they need to reach the cap floor and they can overpay a bit for Voracek to help get them there and stil have a great young talented player locked up for years. Beyond that, it's gonna be picks and maybe a guy like Mez.

If the Fly dont just call their bluff and not offer a side trade.
- Flyers2821

Are you kidding me? A young kid that is ready to be moved into a top line roll, a top 4 defenseman with a nice little shot from the point, Read with his cap hit that is worth his weight in gold, and on top of that picks? Each of those three players could net you a first if you traded them right now. That also leaves big holes on the wings, and us down two top 4 denfeseman next year when Kimmo is done. Weber is a great player but he's not a magician.