well, I saw them win 2 and they never were the better team when they lost in the SCF.
- isaiah520

Does the better team always win? Was the 1980 Olympic Hockey team better than the Russians?

Yes and with what Webers agent said in Interview should give Nashville reason to consider the risk of matching and having a disgruntled player. But until his agent comes out with a firm statement that Weber does not want to be in Nashville there is no absolute proof to support that argument.
- Baxter27

So the agent saying " to clarify Shea wants to play in Philly" and it is a " destination Place" and " when Suter left it certainly changed things for Shea" doesn't to you sound at all like a player who has moved on...It does to me

The Flyers have a very good team. They put up over 100 points without Shea Weber. They are very young and will continue to grow. Not getting Weber doesnt end there chances at winning a cup. Hes ONE player and it takes a team to win. How many championships did Weber bring Nashville?
- stveshdy

If they trade Voracek and Mezy and you add Weber, this is one hell of a dangerous team. Doan may think to sign with the Flyers as well. Cant say that Doan and Weber would not make this team a cup contender. That will put them over the top, BEUM

I think that is the place for serious debate. If the Flyers do not get Weber they have some serious deficiencies in their own end, in goal and on the power play. The idea that this is just another trade is too simplistic. Weber puts the Flyers in line for a serious run at the Cup. Without Weber, you might see too mant losing streaks, bad goals against and maybe a hard fight to make the playoffs.

The Flyers have to get this deal done. And, other than Giroux, no player should be off kimits in terms of getting a final deal done.
- spatso

while you have some points, this is greatly exaggerated

they may not be a cup favorite without weber, but they are a pretty damn good team. they are a young team, no doubt. but they were pretty good last year, no reason to think they won't be in a similar position this year

I think that a trade will allow Nashville to take the loss of Weber better. If you think the Flyers are not gonna send some players Nashvilles way, you are mistaken. I really think that players will be traded to get Weber.
- bigmookalookie

Never said he wasnt going to send players there way. I said dont expect him to offer better than he previously had.

Does the better team always win? Was the 1980 Olympic Hockey team better than the Russians?
- PLindbergh31

They were all roided up, arguement invalid BEUM

Never said he wasnt going to send players there way. I said dont expect him to offer better than he previously had.
- stveshdy

Which I think is a top 6 (Voracek) and a Dman (Mezy). That would be a better pill to swallow. The origanal offer was Couts and Schenn plus, Homer must of told Polie to get the (frank) outta here and OS Weber

I think that is the place for serious debate. If the Flyers do not get Weber they have some serious deficiencies in their own end, in goal and on the power play. The idea that this is just another trade is too simplistic. Weber puts the Flyers in line for a serious run at the Cup. Without Weber, you might see too mant losing streaks, bad goals against and maybe a hard fight to make the playoffs.

The Flyers have to get this deal done. And, other than Giroux, no player should be off kimits in terms of getting a final deal done.
- spatso

Without Weber, the Flyers still have one of the better defense cores in the League. And they have a proven netminder, despite the struggles in his first year here. With loss comes opportunities for other players. The loss of Carle opens up an opportunity for a player like Meszaros. Who has the skill set to play on the PP.

If they trade Voracek and Mezy and you add Weber, this is one hell of a dangerous team. Doan may think to sign with the Flyers as well. Cant say that Doan and Weber would not make this team a cup contender. That will put them over the top, BEUM
- bigmookalookie

Thats an option. Would Nashville accept that deal or say "No, will match the offer sheet"?

Does the better team always win? Was the 1980 Olympic Hockey team better than the Russians?
- PLindbergh31

no, but my point is that there's some consolation that your team was defeated by a better team.

The Flyers have a very good team. They put up over 100 points without Shea Weber. They are very young and will continue to grow. Not getting Weber doesnt end there chances at winning a cup. Hes ONE player and it takes a team to win. How many championships did Weber bring Nashville?
- stveshdy[/quote

Yeah but that was off the back of some career years and and rookies playing over there heads. One good season a star player make...Is Hartnell the goal machine we saw this year? Will Vorachek continue to develop? Will Read put up 20 goals a year? How will the lose of Jagr affect the PP and G? How many games can Kimmo play? I dont know the answers to these questions and neither does anyone else, all you can do is make your team as good as possible going in to it and Weber is a huge part to some stability in the backend

no, but my point is that there's some consolation that your team was defeated by a better team.
- isaiah520

Nah... Not for me it's not consolation. No such thing as moral victories.

I think that a trade will allow Nashville to take the loss of Weber better. If you think the Flyers are not gonna send some players Nashvilles way, you are mistaken. I really think that players will be traded to get Weber.
- bigmookalookie

If I'm the Flyers I do not over reach to use the offer sheet as leverage. In my oppinion Homer should willing to deal the same players he was willing to deal before the offer sheet was submitted.

I think the most fair deal for both sides would be the Schenn Brothers plus 2 first round picks. Gives the predators a solid deal from a hockey and Marketing standpoint. Would I like to keep the Schenn brothers? Of course, but realistically good hockey trades contain quality for quality. I don't see why a good hockey deal cannot be reached just because home submitted an offer sheet.

Without Weber, the Flyers still have one of the better defense cores in the League. And they have a proven netminder, despite the struggles in his first year here. With loss comes opportunities for other players. The loss of Carle opens up an opportunity for a player like Meszaros. Who has the skill set to play on the PP.
- MJL

Glad to see someone has thrown in the towel on Bryz after one bad season

Thats an option. Would Nashville accept that deal or say "No, will match the offer sheet"?
- stveshdy

Dunno, we will all find out Wednsday lol

If I'm the Flyers I do not over reach to use the offer sheet as leverage. In my oppinion Homer should willing to deal the same players he was willing to deal before the offer sheet was submitted.

I think the most fair deal for both sides would be the Schenn Brothers plus 2 first round picks. Gives the predators a solid deal from a hockey and Marketing standpoint. Would I like to keep the Schenn brothers? Of course, but realistically good hockey trades contain quality for quality. I don't see why a good hockey deal cannot be reached just because home submitted an offer sheet.
- Baxter27

I absolutely would not trade Brayden Schenn in this deal. I don't think a fair deal should be the goal here. Nashville in a poor spot. I would trade Voracek and Luke Schenn. But I'm not including B Schenn or Couturier.

Dunno, we will all find out Wednsday lol
- bigmookalookie

Hopefully before that b/c this poop needs to end.

Hopefully before that b/c this poop needs to end.
- stveshdy

It will probably be drawn out until Wednesday evening.

If I'm the Flyers I do not over reach to use the offer sheet as leverage. In my oppinion Homer should willing to deal the same players he was willing to deal before the offer sheet was submitted.

I think the most fair deal for both sides would be the Schenn Brothers plus 2 first round picks. Gives the predators a solid deal from a hockey and Marketing standpoint. Would I like to keep the Schenn brothers? Of course, but realistically good hockey trades contain quality for quality. I don't see why a good hockey deal cannot be reached just because home submitted an offer sheet.
- Baxter27

If Schenn were to be moved Homer would of done it by now. Honestly Wednesday will be the day something happens, good or bad, at least this will come to a close for a bit. I also think that if Nash matches, Weber will be a pred for life, no way you pay a player 27 mil in season one and trade him, it is not going to happen

If I'm the Flyers I do not over reach to use the offer sheet as leverage. In my oppinion Homer should willing to deal the same players he was willing to deal before the offer sheet was submitted.

I think the most fair deal for both sides would be the Schenn Brothers plus 2 first round picks. Gives the predators a solid deal from a hockey and Marketing standpoint. Would I like to keep the Schenn brothers? Of course, but realistically good hockey trades contain quality for quality. I don't see why a good hockey deal cannot be reached just because home submitted an offer sheet.
- Baxter27

I agree I just don't know why if Homer wasn't willing to trade B Schenn before the OS. Why would he change mind now?

So the agent saying " to clarify Shea wants to play in Philly" and it is a " destination Place" and " when Suter left it certainly changed things for Shea" doesn't to you sound at all like a player who has moved on...It does to me
- nonpoint22

Of course the statements can be interpreted as such but they are also very vague statements about Webers position with staying with the Nashville franchise. Nothing to specifically say Weber signed the deal because he wants out. I agree with your interpretation but I can't say its absolute proof until Weber or his agent make a firm statement about wanting out of Nashville.

Hopefully before that b/c this poop needs to end.
- stveshdy

I hope so as well, as we all know Wednesday evening (as PLindy stated) there will be a conclusion

It will probably be drawn out until Wednesday evening.
- PLindbergh31

I honestly can't take anymore of this back and forth over Weber. Either get the guy or don't at this point. Being a fan its hard to have patience but if I was actually in Homer's spot and knew whats going on I could wait.

I honestly can't take anymore of this back and forth over Weber. Either get the guy or don't at this point. Being a fan its hard to have patience but if I was actually in Homer's spot and knew whats going on I could wait.
- stveshdy

We've got possibly 3 more days to discuss and hash it out. It's going to be fun!

I honestly can't take anymore of this back and forth over Weber. Either get the guy or don't at this point. Being a fan its hard to have patience but if I was actually in Homer's spot and knew whats going on I could wait.
- stveshdy

Nothing can be done until the deadline which is Wednesday at 11:30PM. Still have about 80 hours to wait.