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TheGreat28
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chadds Ford, PA
Joined: 06.20.2010

Jul 22 @ 2:14 PM ET
Could you make that an actual link please. On my RAZR Max and memory is shot from drinking too much when younger
- Deasr1


Everything I just to make it a link, my message shows up empty. I've tried highlighting and pressing URL button; clicking URL, pasting the link, then clicking again.

What am I doing wrong?
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jul 22 @ 2:15 PM ET
Yea.

Whats better for Nashville? Keeping Weber, or getting a boatload of assets to shake things up. Picks plus maybe Voracek and Mez? Then they can trade some picks and get into the Bobby Ryan sweeps or perhaps JBO? All those options are possible

Voracek
Mez
Jbo
Ryan
picks

for Weber

I would hope these are things Poile is considering, pushing pride aside.

- aosplayo


Thats one aspect I think a lot of people are forgetting. He can takes those four firsts and immediately send them to other teams.

There's a lot more flexibility with those picks than there is with Homer I'm guessing.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 22 @ 2:15 PM ET
Well, the offer sheet certainly adds some leverage, but more importantly some closure. Also, it eliminates other teams from acquiring Weber at least for a year. I strongly believe the league is encouraging both sides to agree on a trade if the Preds feel it is not in their long-term financial interest to match the offer sheet.
- ravishingone


I strongly believe the same thing.
BaldRich
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Kutztown, PA
Joined: 12.16.2011

Jul 22 @ 2:16 PM ET
Simple , If Nashville takes the offer sheet nothing in Philly is harmed ..If they decline give them the picks why give them players who would help another club and hurt ours.. Homer wants the cup here and Landing Weber takes them a step closer .But giving lets say Mezzy ,Read and Jake only weakens the flyers....And If a trade does happen make sure Shelly and Walker are involved somehow
Flyers2821
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 01.16.2010

Jul 22 @ 2:18 PM ET
Thats one aspect I think a lot of people are forgetting. He can takes those four firsts and immediately send them to other teams.

There's a lot more flexibility with those picks than there is with Homer I'm guessing.

- hereticpride


Are you allowed to trade picks all the way out to 4 years from now? If so, how much value do they really have? If they were to acquire the 4 picks, they will only prolly be able to trade next years for a player. What team is gonna want a draft pick that is 2-4 years away for a roster player?
Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Jul 22 @ 2:19 PM ET
If Weber didn't want to play in Nashville anymore, why would he sign a deal where the result could be he is signed to play in Nashville for the next 14 years?
- MJL

Honestly?? Because in his heart of hearts he's hoping Nashville does the right thing by him and lets him go? Or because his agent and Homer assured them they couldn't or won't match? I have no idea, but Dreger can be quoted as saying that Weber wants out of Nashville and I think that is where in lies the no match by the Preds. I believe if he and his agent get wind of a match, they tell them don't bother while publicly not trying to completely embarrass the Preds organization.
Flyers2821
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 01.16.2010

Jul 22 @ 2:19 PM ET
Well, the offer sheet certainly adds some leverage, but more importantly some closure. Also, it eliminates other teams from acquiring Weber at least for a year. I strongly believe the league is encouraging both sides to agree on a trade if the Preds feel it is not in their long-term financial interest to match the offer sheet.
- ravishingone


I highly doubt the league is sticking their nose in this issue offering advice. League is doing nothing more than monitoring it.
Deasr1
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mays Landing, NJ
Joined: 06.21.2009

Jul 22 @ 2:19 PM ET
Everything I just to make it a link, my message shows up empty. I've tried highlighting and pressing URL button; clicking URL, pasting the link, then clicking again.

What am I doing wrong?

- TheGreat28

Yeah. That's how you do it. Stupid question, you are copying link after high lighting it? Then paste?
aosplayo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 01.14.2008

Jul 22 @ 2:20 PM ET
Are you allowed to trade picks all the way out to 4 years from now? If so, how much value do they really have? If they were to acquire the 4 picks, they will only prolly be able to trade next years for a player. What team is gonna want a draft pick that is 2-4 years away for a roster player?
- Flyers2821





I think youre right, but they would have a crapload of high picks for 2013 and 2014 that they can play with.......multiple firsts, seconds, thirds...i forget the exact number of picks but it was a lot
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jul 22 @ 2:22 PM ET
no i totally think Nashville might be compelled to change there stance now that the offer sheet is out there if it looks like they wouldnt be comfortable with matching... but its all about bluffing right now, imo. im not saying Homer should offer anything more than what he did before the offer sheet was signed. but i think he should be open to tweaking the offers, sure
- Crimsoninja



This is the guy who has quietly moved into the drivers seat in terms of calling the financial shots in Nashville. For Wilson, the Weber contract is merely a negotiable asset that he will sell for a fair return. If he does not get fair value the cost of bridging the Weber contract is a mere $300k., chicken feed for a guy like Wilson. If the Flyers get Weber it will be because it is a good hockey deal for both teams.

"Wilson graduated from the University of Saskatchewan with a Bachelor of Science in Civil Engineering and worked for Imperial Oil for three plus years in the oilfields of Western Canada. He then graduated from the University of Calgary’s MBA program - the first person to graduate with a specialization in entrepreneurship - in 1985, and began work as an investment banker with McLeod Young Weir Limited (now ScotiaMcLeod or Scotia Capital). Wilson co-founded an investment banking advisory firm, Wilson Mackie & Co., in 1991 - a firm that enjoyed considerable success brokering oil and gas companies and properties.
In 1993, with Rick Grafton, Jim Davidson and N. Murray Edwards, he co-founded FirstEnergy Capital Corp., now a leading Canadian stock brokerage firm that provides investment-banking services to global participants in the energy sector - via offices in Calgary, AB and London, England. The firm is now 20% owned by Societe Generale out of France. Wilson retired from active duty at FirstEnergy in July 2007 but retained his role as Chairman of the company until December 2008. His primary holding company, Prairie Merchant Corporation, is the vehicle from which he makes most of his investments in the energy, agriculture, real estate, sports, and entertainment industries.
In October 2008 Wilson became a leading investor in Derby County F.C.. Derby are currently playing in the Npower Championship,[2] the highest division of The Football League and second-highest division overall in the English football league system after the Premier League.
In 2010, Wilson became chairman of Canoe Financial, a privately owned investment management firm with well over $2.0 billion in assets focused on providing investors with unique opportunities to profit from Canada’s increasing prominence on the global "resource" stage.[3]
After announcing his departure from Dragons' Den in early 2011, he participated in his own entrepreneurship-themed series, Risky Business, which aired on Slice in the fall of 2011.[4] He has a regular column in the National Post featuring reports on his Dragons' Den investments.
In November 2011, Wilson purchased a 5% interest in the Nashville Predators of the NHL.[5] He has subsequently increased that investment to about 12% of the Preds."
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 22 @ 2:23 PM ET
Simple , If Nashville takes the offer sheet nothing in Philly is harmed ..If they decline give them the picks why give them players who would help another club and hurt ours.. Homer wants the cup here and Landing Weber takes them a step closer .But giving lets say Mezzy ,Read and Jake only weakens the flyers....And If a trade does happen make sure Shelly and Walker are involved somehow
- BaldRich


Good luck getting Shelley and Walker involved. A deal that can be worked out that get's the Flyers Weber, and gives Nashville some good players in return. Is the best outcome for all parties involved.
TheGreat28
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chadds Ford, PA
Joined: 06.20.2010

Jul 22 @ 2:24 PM ET
Yeah. That's how you do it. Stupid question, you are copying link after high lighting it? Then paste?
- Deasr1


Yeah. The html is pasting in. But no matter what I do to turn it into a link, my entire post disappears. In the preview and when submitted, it is gone.

I think it is a problem in how they have their pages coded for searches, etc. I just tried two other links and they worked perfectly.

Sorry!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 22 @ 2:25 PM ET
Honestly?? Because in his heart of hearts he's hoping Nashville does the right thing by him and lets him go? Or because his agent and Homer assured them they couldn't or won't match? I have no idea, but Dreger can be quoted as saying that Weber wants out of Nashville and I think that is where in lies the no match by the Preds. I believe if he and his agent get wind of a match, they tell them don't bother while publicly not trying to completely embarrass the Preds organization.
- Flyers1218


Yes, honestly. If I'm Nashville and I intend to match, and Weber and his Agent tell me don't bother. I'd laugh at them and tell them see you at training camp.
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jul 22 @ 2:25 PM ET
I strongly believe the same thing.
- MJL


The league understands the offer sheet is legal in context to the current CBA. Obviously, Poile knew Weber was visiting other clubs during the free agency period. Certainly he understood an offer sheet could be offered. I do believe maybe the Preds organization under estimated how "carefully" the offer sheet could be crafted to discourage them from matching.
Richieattack18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Girouxsalem
Joined: 07.13.2010

Jul 22 @ 2:25 PM ET
What upper hand? Nashville will match, end of story.

http://www.tennessean.com...Shea-Weber?nclick_check=1

Time to get back to reality for some of you.

- Habs Rule

First of all, the writer of this article doesnt even have the right information. They have until 11:30 PM Wednsday, but they said 11:59. Not a big deal but still. And the reasons for Nashville keeping Weber are beyond weak and don't even mention a trade. (Tennessee doesn't know poop about hockey)
Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Jul 22 @ 2:25 PM ET
they cant come this close and then just not get him. they need to figure something out, imo
- Crimsoninja

I hear you, but keep your poker face. Make Nashville think the Flyers are ok with just moving on.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 22 @ 2:26 PM ET
Yeah. The html is pasting in. But no matter what I do to turn it into a link, my entire post disappears. In the preview and when submitted, it is gone.

I think it is a problem in how they have their pages coded for searches, etc. I just tried two other links and they worked perfectly.

Sorry!

- TheGreat28


That was a very good article. Especially the part about the winner, losing in the deal.
Slammed81
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gwynedd, PA
Joined: 06.04.2011

Jul 22 @ 2:26 PM ET
Exactly! RT @JohnnyLawRWB: @ctherien6 You hear anything about a conference call with Poile and Homer today? Eskin re-tweeted a sketchy sourse on it...just wondering
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jul 22 @ 2:26 PM ET
Good luck getting Shelley and Walker involved. A deal that can be worked out that get's the Flyers Weber, and gives Nashville some good players in the return. Is the best outcome for all parties involved.
- MJL

Its not like those guys are signed long term. If anything it helps them reach the cap floor this late in the UFA game.
Slammed81
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gwynedd, PA
Joined: 06.04.2011

Jul 22 @ 2:27 PM ET
This is the guy who has quietly moved into the drivers seat in terms of calling the financial shots in Nashville. For Wilson, the Weber contract is merely a negotiable asset that he will sell for a fair return. If he does not get fair value the cost of bridging the Weber contract is a mere $300k., chicken feed for a guy like Wilson. If the Flyers get Weber it will be because it is a good hockey deal for both teams.

"Wilson graduated from the University of Saskatchewan with a Bachelor of Science in Civil Engineering and worked for Imperial Oil for three plus years in the oilfields of Western Canada. He then graduated from the University of Calgary’s MBA program - the first person to graduate with a specialization in entrepreneurship - in 1985, and began work as an investment banker with McLeod Young Weir Limited (now ScotiaMcLeod or Scotia Capital). Wilson co-founded an investment banking advisory firm, Wilson Mackie & Co., in 1991 - a firm that enjoyed considerable success brokering oil and gas companies and properties.
In 1993, with Rick Grafton, Jim Davidson and N. Murray Edwards, he co-founded FirstEnergy Capital Corp., now a leading Canadian stock brokerage firm that provides investment-banking services to global participants in the energy sector - via offices in Calgary, AB and London, England. The firm is now 20% owned by Societe Generale out of France. Wilson retired from active duty at FirstEnergy in July 2007 but retained his role as Chairman of the company until December 2008. His primary holding company, Prairie Merchant Corporation, is the vehicle from which he makes most of his investments in the energy, agriculture, real estate, sports, and entertainment industries.
In October 2008 Wilson became a leading investor in Derby County F.C.. Derby are currently playing in the Npower Championship,

- spatso[2] the highest division of The Football League and second-highest division overall in the English football league system after the Premier League.
In 2010, Wilson became chairman of Canoe Financial, a privately owned investment management firm with well over $2.0 billion in assets focused on providing investors with unique opportunities to profit from Canada’s increasing prominence on the global "resource" stage.[3]
After announcing his departure from Dragons' Den in early 2011, he participated in his own entrepreneurship-themed series, Risky Business, which aired on Slice in the fall of 2011.[4] He has a regular column in the National Post featuring reports on his Dragons' Den investments.
In November 2011, Wilson purchased a 5% interest in the Nashville Predators of the NHL.[5] He has subsequently increased that investment to about 12% of the Preds."


wikipedia ....the most accurate source on the web
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Jul 22 @ 2:27 PM ET
This is the guy who has quietly moved into the drivers seat in terms of calling the financial shots in Nashville. For Wilson, the Weber contract is merely a negotiable asset that he will sell for a fair return. If he does not get fair value the cost of bridging the Weber contract is a mere $300k., chicken feed for a guy like Wilson. If the Flyers get Weber it will be because it is a good hockey deal for both teams.

"Wilson graduated from the University of Saskatchewan with a Bachelor of Science in Civil Engineering and worked for Imperial Oil for three plus years in the oilfields of Western Canada. He then graduated from the University of Calgary’s MBA program - the first person to graduate with a specialization in entrepreneurship - in 1985, and began work as an investment banker with McLeod Young Weir Limited (now ScotiaMcLeod or Scotia Capital). Wilson co-founded an investment banking advisory firm, Wilson Mackie & Co., in 1991 - a firm that enjoyed considerable success brokering oil and gas companies and properties.
In 1993, with Rick Grafton, Jim Davidson and N. Murray Edwards, he co-founded FirstEnergy Capital Corp., now a leading Canadian stock brokerage firm that provides investment-banking services to global participants in the energy sector - via offices in Calgary, AB and London, England. The firm is now 20% owned by Societe Generale out of France. Wilson retired from active duty at FirstEnergy in July 2007 but retained his role as Chairman of the company until December 2008. His primary holding company, Prairie Merchant Corporation, is the vehicle from which he makes most of his investments in the energy, agriculture, real estate, sports, and entertainment industries.
In October 2008 Wilson became a leading investor in Derby County F.C.. Derby are currently playing in the Npower Championship,

- spatso[2] the highest division of The Football League and second-highest division overall in the English football league system after the Premier League.
In 2010, Wilson became chairman of Canoe Financial, a privately owned investment management firm with well over $2.0 billion in assets focused on providing investors with unique opportunities to profit from Canada’s increasing prominence on the global "resource" stage.[3]
After announcing his departure from Dragons' Den in early 2011, he participated in his own entrepreneurship-themed series, Risky Business, which aired on Slice in the fall of 2011.[4] He has a regular column in the National Post featuring reports on his Dragons' Den investments.
In November 2011, Wilson purchased a 5% interest in the Nashville Predators of the NHL.[5] He has subsequently increased that investment to about 12% of the Preds."
What if there is no season or weber gets injured?
aosplayo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 01.14.2008

Jul 22 @ 2:28 PM ET
I don't think Poile has a problem making tough hockey decisions. He knew Suter would be a UFA, but he kept him at the deadline because he thought his team could make a serious run, which they did. He risked getting nothing for him and ended up going further in the playoffs against the vaunted Red Wings. Hindsight yea it sucks to lose him for nothing, but he did what he thought best for the team, and hes doing that now....
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 22 @ 2:28 PM ET
Its not like those guys are signed long term. If anything it helps them reach the cap floor this late in the UFA game.
- hereticpride


I would think that Nashville would rather pay out money to reach the Cap floor to players that have a future with the team.

I'm sure the Preds fanbase would be really excited by part of the return for Weber being Walker and Shelley.
TheGreat28
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chadds Ford, PA
Joined: 06.20.2010

Jul 22 @ 2:29 PM ET
That was a very good article. Especially the part about the winner, losing in the deal.
- MJL


Yeah, that was one of the parts that I found interesting. I generally agree, and it is a very psychological thing. It's exactly what we were all debating the last two days.

Also, the part about Poile deeply regretting to this day not matching on Stevens. That's a big ominous for us.
nonpoint22
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 02.16.2011

Jul 22 @ 2:32 PM ET
Honestly?? Because in his heart of hearts he's hoping Nashville does the right thing by him and lets him go? Or because his agent and Homer assured them they couldn't or won't match? I have no idea, but Dreger can be quoted as saying that Weber wants out of Nashville and I think that is where in lies the no match by the Preds. I believe if he and his agent get wind of a match, they tell them don't bother while publicly not trying to completely embarrass the Preds organization.
- Flyers1218



Yes that is the part of the puzzle people seem to be forgetting.Everybody is talking about if they can afford it but do you want to put your finances in a guy who doesn't want to be there cause then your going to have a Columbus situation with a guy that makes alot more in bonuses in bet
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