Fitting him in is definately one thing but being able to make any other moves to improve the club is another. Will see what happens but if Nashville can fit him in and still be productive down the road they should match this offer already, IMO.
- stveshdy

No question. And I'm sure looking at all of that is part of the process Nashville has been going through.

i love the broad brush comments from guys like cox that say "can't sustain" if the preds don't match. of course they can. will they be as good? of course not. but to suggest it means imminent disintegration because they lost 2 good players is silly. what would the perception be if suter and weber were lost in an accident of some kind. would people be saying the blanket statements about the franchise they're saying now if they don't match the offer? i doubt it. what's far more serious is the potential financial burden of fielding a competitive team around them, let alone staving off bankruptcy.

the fact that the nhl has rebuffed a hearing based on cap circumvention grounds and said their coffers aren't open also suggests this is far from an automatic decision for the owners.
- hammarby31

If you want to check out a much better article from Nashville side, look at this one..

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20120722/SPORTS02/307220052/Clock-ticking-Will-Weber-stay-go-?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|FRONTPAGE|p

I'm think they've had a enough time to look at all the projections, and know what each option will do for them. They can fit him in. There's no question about that in my mind. As I've said repeatedly, it's about which approach makes the most sense to them.
- MJL

I can't figure with all the numbers I have been hearing being thrown around the thought that they could fit him in to there finances long term with Rinne contract would be the right option..

I didn't say that.
- MJL

so you feel there have been no possible trades discussed since the offer sheet that werent discussed prior?

just trying to figure out your stance that nothing has changed since the offer sheet was signed

No question. And I'm sure looking at all of that is part of the process Nashville has been going through.
- MJL

This is why I'm leaning more towards Weber not being in Nashville. If they truely believed they had the money for short-term and long-term (and still be competitive) you match that offer sheet by now when its your franchise defenseman on the line. Thats just my opinion of course.

I'll welcome you with open arms. Nice credentials. With training like that you'd think you'd be above petty insults involving literacy, but no. I'm sure your co-workers love you.
- hereticpride

Actually, I lol at teenagers like you that can't accept truth and facts and prefer living in their made up fantasy world. Yes, nashville will only accept your lousy late first round picks for weber

If you want to check out a much better article from Nashville side, look at this one..

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20120722/SPORTS02/307220052/Clock-ticking-Will-Weber-stay-go-?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|FRONTPAGE|p
- TheGreat28

Could you make that an actual link please. On my RAZR Max and memory is shot from drinking too much when younger

This is why I'm leaning more towards Weber not being in Nashville. If they truely believed they had the money for short-term and long-term (and still be competitive) you match that offer sheet by now when its your franchise defenseman on the line. Thats just my opinion of course.
- stveshdy

i refuse to believe that Weber's desire - or lack thereof - to play there doesnt factor into all of this at least somewhat. i wonder if they've been in contact with him during the last few days at all

With how this is all playing out if I'm a Nashville fan theres no way I want Weber back. Not anything against him, but if management is having that hard of a time matching the offer sheet right up front when they are already so far low below the cap then how can I believe the team will ever be able to afford to add more significant pieces???

They are in a situation both from a hockey and financial standpoint that screams rebuild imo.

Soo no conference call? I guess that was made up

This is why I'm leaning more towards Weber not being in Nashville. If they truely believed they had the money for short-term and long-term (and still be competitive) you match that offer sheet by now when its your franchise defenseman on the line. Thats just my opinion of course.
- stveshdy

I believe the viability long-term is truly the bigger question. Guys on the current roster will need raises over the next 3 years and the ability to add pieces to the roster. Certainly changes in the CBA can help small market teams, but it won't be a cure all.

Actually, I lol at teenagers like you that can't accept truth and facts and prefer living in their made up fantasy world. Yes, nashville will only accept your lousy late first round picks for weber
- Habs Rule

Why the insults? I never insulted you to begin with. I'm done with it. Move on man.

i refuse to believe that Weber's desire - or lack thereof - to play there doesnt factor into all of this at least somewhat. i wonder if they've been in contact with him during the last few days at all
- Crimsoninja

I'm sure the agent for Weber has told him to lay low and wait. The agent has probably spoken to both sides (I would assume).

so you feel there have been no possible trades discussed since the offer sheet that werent discussed prior?

just trying to figure out your stance that nothing has changed since the offer sheet was signed
- Crimsoninja

One, I didn't say that. Two, I'm sure there has been some discussion. But in talking previously, I would think that both sides made their position known. And that a lack of being able to come to a compromise, led to the Flyers going the OS route. Dreger even tweeted that Holmgren was frustrated with trade talks. If you were Holmgren would you now make an offer that you weren't prepared to make before the OS was given? I wouldn't. My final offer that I made before, would still be my final offer. I don't doubt that if internally, Nashville decided to take the approach of trying to make a deal, rather then matching. That they again contacted the Flyers and said, if you give us what we were asking for, we'll agree to not match. I'm just speculating like anyone else is. But that's how I see it. And I could certainly be wrong about that, and the Flyers may be willing to sweeten the pot further. But I wouldn't if I was them.

So from my perspective, I don't feel that much of anything in terms of the options of the Predators, has changed, in the last 4 days.

Hockeyy Insiderr ‏@HockeyyInsiderr
MAJOR BREAKING NEWS alert: Poile and Holmgren to have conference call in the afternoon. #CONFIRMED by #Preds and #Flyers sources. #StayTuned

Hockeyy Insiderr ‏@HockeyyInsiderr
1 of my sources will attent the actual conference call #Preds #Flyers (Should be around 1PM ET) >UPDATE as soon as I get the news #StayTuned

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Don't know exact reason of the conference call, will update as soon as I get the info. All I know it was requested by Poile. #Preds #Flyers
- Flyers2821

He is the biggest fraud on twitter. He has got NOTHING correct and he has threaten to post incriminating pictures of guys like Dreger. He has been bashed by so many professionals. He said at the deadline last year the Flyers had a deal for Nash. He then said last month that Nash vetoed a Flyers trade. He was late on the Weber news and then tried to make it his own. Nothing he says is factual and WIP is retarded.

I believe the viability long-term is truly the bigger question. Guys on the current roster will need raises over the next 3 years and the ability to add pieces to the roster. Certainly changes in the CBA can help small market teams, but it won't be a cure all.
- ravishingone

Anyway you look at it that offer sheet is a monster. Thats a lot of guarantee money for any team and with the uncertainty of there being a season can also play a HUGE role in this decision. How do they come up with the money if theres a lockout? That ticket revenue money wont be there.

He is the biggest fraud on twitter. He has got NOTHING correct and he has threaten to post incriminating pictures of guys like Dreger. He has been bashed by so many professionals. He said at the deadline last year the Flyers had a deal for Nash. He then said last month that Nash vetoed a Flyers trade. He was late on the Weber news and then tried to make it his own. Nothing he says is factual and WIP is retarded.
- Flyers1218

Why would anyone believe two GMs would have anyone else on a conference call?

One, I didn't say that. Two, I'm sure there has been some discussion. But in talking previously, I would think that both sides made their position known. And that a lack of being able to come to a compromise, led to the Flyers going the OS route. Dreger even tweeted that Holmgren was frustrated with trade talks. If you were Holmgren would you now make an offer that you weren't prepared to make before the OS was given? I wouldn't. My final offer that I made before, would still be my final offer. I don't doubt that if internally, Nashville decided to take the approach of trying to make a deal, rather then matching. That they again contacted the Flyers and said, if you give us what we were asking for, we'll agree to not match. I'm just speculating like anyone else is. But that's how I see it. And I could certainly be wrong about that, and the Flyers may be willing to sweeten the pot further. But I wouldn't if I was them.
- MJL

no i totally think Nashville might be compelled to change there stance now that the offer sheet is out there if it looks like they wouldnt be comfortable with matching... but its all about bluffing right now, imo. im not saying Homer should offer anything more than what he did before the offer sheet was signed. but i think he should be open to tweaking the offers, sure

One, I didn't say that. Two, I'm sure there has been some discussion. But in talking previously, I would think that both sides made their position known. And that a lack of being able to come to a compromise, led to the Flyers going the OS route. Dreger even tweeted that Holmgren was frustrated with trade talks. If you were Holmgren would you now make an offer that you weren't prepared to make before the OS was given? I wouldn't. My final offer that I made before, would still be my final offer. I don't doubt that if internally, Nashville decided to take the approach of trying to make a deal, rather then matching. That they again contacted the Flyers and said, if you give us what we were asking for, we'll agree to not match. I'm just speculating like anyone else is. But that's how I see it. And I could certainly be wrong about that, and the Flyers may be willing to sweeten the pot further. But I wouldn't if I was them.
- MJL

I do believe Homer has drawn a line in the sand on what players he willing trade. The possible wiggle room after the offer sheet is the amount of draft picks staying with the Preds or lower ones added. I believe the offer sheet pretty much told Poile, you have our final best offer.

I do believe Homer has drawn a line in the sand on what players he willing trade. The possible wiggle room after the offer sheet is the amount of draft picks staying with the Preds or lower ones added. I believe the offer sheet pretty much told Poile, you have our final best offer.
- ravishingone

Agree. It's Nashvilles call. Who's more afraid of losing Weber at this point the Flyers or the Preds? Thats going to determine the next step.

I do believe Homer has drawn a line in the sand on what players he willing trade. The possible wiggle room after the offer sheet is the amount of draft picks staying with the Preds or lower ones added. I believe the offer sheet pretty much told Poile, you have our final best offer.
- ravishingone

I agree. If Holmgren was willing to make a better offer. I think he would of done that before signing Weber to the OS.

He is the biggest fraud on twitter. He has got NOTHING correct and he has threaten to post incriminating pictures of guys like Dreger. He has been bashed by so many professionals. He said at the deadline last year the Flyers had a deal for Nash. He then said last month that Nash vetoed a Flyers trade. He was late on the Weber news and then tried to make it his own. Nothing he says is factual and WIP is retarded.
- Flyers1218

I do believe Homer has drawn a line in the sand on what players he willing trade. The possible wiggle room after the offer sheet is the amount of draft picks staying with the Preds or lower ones added. I believe the offer sheet pretty much told Poile, you have our final best offer.
- ravishingone

and the second thing it told him was feel the wraith of matching it if you wont work with us.

Thats why I cant believe a deal like Jake, Mezzy, Read and picks is going to happen.

Agree. It's Nashvilles call. Who's more afraid of losing Weber at this point the Flyers or the Preds? Thats going to determine the next step.
- stveshdy

Yea.

Whats better for Nashville? Keeping Weber, or getting a boatload of assets to shake things up. Picks plus maybe Voracek and Mez? Then they can trade some picks and get into the Bobby Ryan sweeps or perhaps JBO? All those options are possible

Voracek
Mez
Jbo
Ryan
picks

for Weber

I would hope these are things Poile is considering, pushing pride aside.

and the second thing it told him was feel the wraith of matching it if you wont work with us.

Thats why I cant believe a deal like Jake, Mezzy, Read and picks is going to happen.
- hereticpride

Well, the offer sheet certainly adds some leverage, but more importantly some closure. Also, it eliminates other teams from acquiring Weber at least for a year. I strongly believe the league is encouraging both sides to agree on a trade if the Preds feel it is not in their long-term financial interest to match the offer sheet.