can never have too many old and/or washed up back up goalies
- nails

Hasek would probably outplay them both in camp. We don't need that headache

First round picks doesn't see a team to the fans. Wins and making the playoffs does. Losing Suter and Weber could mean that Nashville is no longer a playoff team. Which could result in a dwindling fan base.
- MJL

Raising ticket prices also does that...

Doan is a UFA, no need to trade any assets for him
- Jsaquella

J, I realize that.
in terms of roster position, it would be like "trading" them.

I understand what you are saying. I'm viewing this strictly as a Flyers fan. I'm not concerned about Nashville.
- PLindbergh31

but if you're trying to give a realistic appraisal of the situation and want the best chance at getting weber, all of the factors need to be considered.

In fantasy world. If we are fortunate to land Weber, and somehow Doan, along with Luke Schenn, thats an increase of 652 hits......minus Jagr, JVR, etc.........
- aosplayo

Did Holmgren do anything against the rules of the current CBA that is in place? I don't think he did. He tried to make a deal for Weber, he found the asking price to be too high. Nashville has totally botched the way they have handled Suter and Weber. They have no one to blame but themselves.
- PLindbergh31

I didn't say anything about Holmgren doing anything against the rules of the CBA. What did Holmgren try to do first? Make a trade or send the Offer Sheet. If he was just interested in getting over on NAshville and taking Weber due to the financial issues. He would have skipped the trade talks and just sent the Offer Sheet.

How would you feel if this was the deal:

Mez and 2 first for weber
Jake and a first for Doan
- nails

I don't think people are going to understand what you're trying to say here, but I do.

I would be fine with Mez and 2 firsts for Weber, but now that an offer sheet has been extended, I prefer just to sit back and have Nashville try and match.
- PLindbergh31

That's my feelings also. People didn't even want to offer sheet Weber bc it was bad for business.

4.25 for a longer term.
I think he might take a little less on a short one, maybe not though.
- nails

And what for Doan?

I don't think people are going to understand what you're trying to say here, but I do.
- eayost

genetic bond

First round picks doesn't see a team to the fans. Wins and making the playoffs does. Losing Suter and Weber could mean that Nashville is no longer a playoff team. Which could result in a dwindling fan base.
- MJL

Weber alone won't get them to the playoffs....what if he gets injured

Weber injured - payed
Weber lock out - payed
Weber sit out - payed
Weber disgruntled - payed

If NASH really wants to keep Weber, the money will not be an issue. The Ownership group I am sure is convening to discuss the options and ramifications of this "investment" into the franchise. A Capital Call to inject the necessary monies needed to retain Weber is an option for the Group. If one balks at this request, one of the wealthier Owners agrees to step to the plate for a greater % of the Team.

Is this the best scenario going forward with the business model? Are the revenues there to recoup an investment built around Weber? Other financial considerations with their future RFA's must also be factored in.

IMO, unless the 5% Owner Wilson steps up to absorb the losses over the next 6 years, a trade is NASH best route. Homer obviously knows what package he was prepared to offer in advance of the OS. So a reduced package to allow NASH their exit would be the best result for everyone and how I see it playing out.
- 9thPassyunk

You obviously know what you are talking about, and everything above makes complete sense. The one other thing I think they are taking into consideration is protecting their long-term asset.

Here is the change in NHL franchise values since the 2003-04 season:

Pittsburgh Penguins, $264 Million, 161.4%
Montreal Canadiens, $445 Million, 128.2%
Edmonton Oilers, $212 Million, 103.8%
Vancouver Canucks, $300 Million, 102.7%
Washington Capitals, $225 Million, 95.7%
Calgary Flames, $220 Million, 89.7%
Toronto Maple Leafs, $521 Million, 86.1%
New York Rangers, $507 Million, 79.8%
Chicago Blackhawks, $306 Million, 71.9%
Carolina Hurricanes, $169 Million, 69.0%
Buffalo Sabres, $173 Million, 68.0%
Anaheim Ducks, $181 Million, 67.6%
Ottawa Senators, $201 Million, 60.8%
Atlanta Thrashers, $164 Million, 54.7%
Nashville Predators, $163 Million, 46.8%
New Jersey Devils, $181 Million, 46.0%
San Jose Sharks, $211 Million, 41.6%
Boston Bruins, $325 Million, 37.7%
Detroit Red Wings, $336 Million, 35.5%
Florida Panthers, $162 Million, 33.9%
Minnesota Wild, $213 Million, 30.7%
Los Angeles Kings, $232 Million, 20.2%
Tampa Bay Lightning, $174 Million, 16.0%
St. Louis Blues, $157 Million, 12.1%
Philadelphia Flyers, $290 Million, 9.8%
Columbus Blue Jackets, $152 Million, 9.4%
Phoenix Coyotes, $134 Million, -1.5%
New York Islanders, $149 Million, -6.9%
Dallas Stars, $230 Million, -11.2%
Colorado Avalanche, $198 Million, -19.5%

So according to Forbes some franchises devalued, indicating there is risk. Nashville, in a small market, significantly increased in value. Obviously winning, building the fan base, etc, all factored into the increase in value. And obviously Weber and Suter were a part of that. The question is how much the ownership believes that losing Weber will have a ripple affect that will lead to devaluing the franchise.

The more I think about things...the more concerned I get.

And what for Doan?
- MJL

5M

He is the one, that if everything worked out, i would think he might be willing to take a little shave just to have the shot with this roster.
Now the eagles certainly proved that all star rosters can fail just as easily, but it would be hard to walk away from.

J, I realize that.
in terms of roster position, it would be like "trading" them.
- nails

I think you meant Bobby Ryan...


Voracek and a 1st for Ryan

but if you're trying to give a realistic appraisal of the situation and want the best chance at getting weber, all of the factors need to be considered.
- isaiah520

Understood. I'm of the belief that Nashville doesn't want to match this. Now they may match it and fall on the sword, but either way they don't have a good option here. The Flyers trading a package of players for Weber now that it has reached this point would be bailing them out. I feel Poile's incompetence with the way he has handled the situation shouldn't be rewarded.

5M

He is the one, that if everything worked out, i would think he might be willing to take a little shave just to have the shot with this roster.
Now the eagles certainly proved that all star rosters can fail just as easily, but it would be hard to walk away from.
- nails

I think your low balling what it would take to sign both Voracek and Doan. That's where out calculations are different.

You obviously know what you are talking about, and everything above makes complete sense. The one other thing I think they are taking into consideration is protecting their long-term asset.

Here is the change in NHL franchise values since the 2003-04 season:

Pittsburgh Penguins, $264 Million, 161.4%
Montreal Canadiens, $445 Million, 128.2%
Edmonton Oilers, $212 Million, 103.8%
Vancouver Canucks, $300 Million, 102.7%
Washington Capitals, $225 Million, 95.7%
Calgary Flames, $220 Million, 89.7%
Toronto Maple Leafs, $521 Million, 86.1%
New York Rangers, $507 Million, 79.8%
Chicago Blackhawks, $306 Million, 71.9%
Carolina Hurricanes, $169 Million, 69.0%
Buffalo Sabres, $173 Million, 68.0%
Anaheim Ducks, $181 Million, 67.6%
Ottawa Senators, $201 Million, 60.8%
Atlanta Thrashers, $164 Million, 54.7%
Nashville Predators, $163 Million, 46.8%
New Jersey Devils, $181 Million, 46.0%
San Jose Sharks, $211 Million, 41.6%
Boston Bruins, $325 Million, 37.7%
Detroit Red Wings, $336 Million, 35.5%
Florida Panthers, $162 Million, 33.9%
Minnesota Wild, $213 Million, 30.7%
Los Angeles Kings, $232 Million, 20.2%
Tampa Bay Lightning, $174 Million, 16.0%
St. Louis Blues, $157 Million, 12.1%
Philadelphia Flyers, $290 Million, 9.8%
Columbus Blue Jackets, $152 Million, 9.4%
Phoenix Coyotes, $134 Million, -1.5%
New York Islanders, $149 Million, -6.9%
Dallas Stars, $230 Million, -11.2%
Colorado Avalanche, $198 Million, -19.5%

So according to Forbes some franchises devalued, indicating there is risk. Nashville, in a small market, significantly increased in value. Obviously winning, building the fan base, etc, all factored into the increase in value. And obviously Weber and Suter were a part of that. The question is how much the ownership believes that losing Weber will have a ripple affect that will lead to devaluing the franchise.

The more I think about things...the more concerned I get.
- TheGreat28

Having new teams is exciting when it happens, but the reality is the league should have probably contracted a while back.

I think you meant Bobby Ryan...


Voracek and a 1st for Ryan
- aosplayo

it has only been 11 hours since the last mention of him. the PBA (posters bargaining agreement) clearly states that there is to be a 12 hour grace period.
you shall now receive a 2 hour ban. (balance of infraction x 2)

Wish we had Weber already.....woulda been great for Doans tour


"Over theres the Liberty Bell, Independence Hall, Pats, Genos, Shea Weber locker......."

it has only been 11 hours since the last mention of him. the PBA (posters bargaining agreement) clearly states that there is to be a 12 hour grace period.
you shall now receive a 2 hour ban. (balance of infraction x 2)
- nails

*shuffles off into corner and sets cooking timer* (note: I hate the clicking sound)

Understood. I'm of the belief that Nashville doesn't want to match this. Now they may match it and fall on the sword, but either way they don't have a good option here. The Flyers trading a package of players for Weber now that it has reached this point would be bailing them out. I feel Poile's incompetence with the way he has handled the situation shouldn't be rewarded.
- PLindbergh31

Your making an assumption that Poile has been incompetent here. He has superiors and people that he answers to. He doesn't have carte blanche and a blank check book. There is no doubt that Nashville wants to match and keep Weber. Whether they decide it makes sense to is another issue. Making a reasonable deal is best for everyone. And to not consider all sides, is narrow minded.

I didn't say anything about Holmgren doing anything against the rules of the CBA. What did Holmgren try to do first? Make a trade or send the Offer Sheet. If he was just interested in getting over on NAshville and taking Weber due to the financial issues. He would have skipped the trade talks and just sent the Offer Sheet.
- MJL

Exactly. So this situation with Weber has nothing to do with a lockout, or Nashville being a stable franchise. Their GM has royally (frank)ed up the way he has handled both players, and he's looking at a distinct possibility of only getting draft picks in return.

There is nothing in any new CBA, or labor negotiations that protect a team from bad management.

*shuffles off into corner and sets cooking timer* (note: I hate the clicking sound)
- aosplayo

the same clicking sound in Poile's head for 3 days

I think your low balling what it would take to sign both Voracek and Doan. That's where out calculations are different.
- MJL

maybe. It's unfortunate jake wasn't signed before the other guys. really messed up his market value vs what his real value probably is.
If they could deal Lilja, you COULD shift that money that way, but it's only anoth .5M

Again, I never thought it was/is likely, but it is a remote possibility

Understood. I'm of the belief that Nashville doesn't want to match this. Now they may match it and fall on the sword, but either way they don't have a good option here. The Flyers trading a package of players for Weber now that it has reached this point would be bailing them out. I feel Poile's incompetence with the way he has handled the situation shouldn't be rewarded.
- PLindbergh31

I don't care about saving poiles hide, I want the best chance of getting weber for the flyers...who can't draft/develop dmen for 2 decades +.