I have two beefs with PA drivers: Driving slow in the left lane of a highway & the near complete unawareness that cars are equipped with turn signals.
- Jsaquella

this is all true.

Too bad the flyers cant overpay enough that Poile wont match it.
- Richieattack18

No worries the Preds can't match or it would be done. Homer knew exactly what he was doing with the offer sheet.

Have we signed PJ Axelsson yet?
- wilsonecho91

yes. right after signing guerin and nylander. woohoo!

No worries the Preds can't match or it would be done. Homer knew exactly what he was doing with the offer sheet.
- stveshdy

I feel the same

I feel the same
- Richieattack18

It's a matter of time before its announced. The flyers should stand pat and not give in to any Nashville demands.

No worries the Preds can't match or it would be done. Homer knew exactly what he was doing with the offer sheet.
- stveshdy

I think it is a stretch to think Nash cant match. Is it realistic to believe Nash will lose Suter and Weber and only get picks for Weber ? They must match the offer sheet. I think this will cost the Flyers more in trade than most, Coots a D-man and picks, but Weber is the best D man in the league. A once a decade or more type player

happy for gagne. should have been here though. another f'ng flyer wins somewhere else.

http://kings.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=638322

yes. right after signing guerin and nylander. woohoo!
- hammarby31

There actually was talk they were looking at him.

There actually was talk they were looking at him.
- wilsonecho91

i know. get your durango yet, beak?

I think it is a stretch to think Nash cant match. Is it realistic to believe Nash will lose Suter and Weber and only get picks for Weber ? They must match the offer sheet. I think this will cost the Flyers more in trade than most, Coots a D-man and picks, but Weber is the best D man in the league. A once a decade or more type player
- flyhoc

I'll believe it when I see it. The longer it goes the more I believe they can't match. I'm calling there bluff. Match or don't match. Weber and his agent know what the Preds can offer so the sheet is designed so Nashville can't match. My opinion of course.

I'll believe of when I see it. The longer it goes the more I believe they can't match. I'm calling there bluff. Match or don't match. Weber and his agent know what the Preds can offer so the sheet is designed so Nashville can't match. My opinion of course.
- stveshdy

As painful as it would be, really how can they not match ? Has any team ever lost 2 D-men like this in the same off season with only getting picks in return ?
It is Nashville not Phoenix or the Isles, they have quality management.
All my opinion as well, and I can be way off. I simply see the best D-man in the league at the age of 26 being available and do not want to lose this opportunity

It's a matter of time before its announced. The flyers should stand pat and not give in to any Nashville demands.
- stveshdy

I agree to a point. if we want Doan some salary has to be dealt above and beyond Meszaros and Voracek. Holmy knows that. So a lot depends on their gut there. I honestly think at this point Vorecek and Meszaros are thee blocks of what will be the final trade.

If the perfet storm hits is this what we're looking at or something like it?

Hartnell/G/Schenn
Doan/Briere/Redd
fedetenko/Couts/Simmons
Wellwood/talbot/Rinaldo

Weber/Schenn
Timo/Coburn
Grossman/Gervais
MAB

Voracek, Meszaro traded. Shelly and Lilja gone.

It's tight

I agree to a point. if we want Doan some salary has to be dealt above and beyond Meszaros and Voracek. Holmy knows that. So a lot depends on their gut there. I honestly think at this point Vorecek and Meszaros are thee blocks of what will be the final trade.
- jstross

Quiet here ....
Weber and Doan would be a nice off season.

As painful as it would be, really how can they not match ? Has any team ever lost 2 D-men like this in the same off season with only getting picks in return ?
It is Nashville not Phoenix or the Isles, they have quality management.
All my opinion as well, and I can be way off. I simply see the best D-man in the league at the age of 26 being available and do not want to lose this opportunity
- flyhoc

Even with quality management, the team is still losing money by the bucketful, heavily dependent on loans and is making less in ticket revenue in a year than Weber will get in the next 12 months.

The key for Nashville isn't really their ability to match. It's their ability to put a competitive team around Weber if they do match. With the financial commitments to Weber and Pekka Rinne, the matter of cap hits are almost immaterial to the Predators.

Do they draw more fans to a non playoff team with Weber or a playoff team without him?

Even with quality management, the team is still losing money by the bucketful, heavily dependent on loans and is making less in ticket revenue in a year than Weber will get in the next 12 months.

The key for Nashville isn't really their ability to match. It's their ability to put a competitive team around Weber if they do match. With the financial commitments to Weber and Pekka Rinne, the matter of cap hits are almost immaterial to the Predators.

Do they draw more fans to a non playoff team with Weber or a playoff team without him?
- Jsaquella

I agree it would be painful, but after the first couple years the financial hit isnt that awful. They can build around Weber and Rinne. How do they expect to have fans losing Weber and Suter ? It really could kill the franchise not mathcing and retaining Weber

i know. get your durango yet, beak?
- hammarby31

Looked at one today. Didn't drive it. Riley was sleeping in the car and Ollie didn't want to babysit. Really liked it. But hate the radio. Same as in Mike's new truck and it's awful.

It seems Voracek is being included in every trade rumor. And the fact that Flyers let Carle go and did not sign the guy seems to indicate they are down with creating cap space to sign a big name and trade Jacob.

But isn't this making the forwards corps a little thin? Harts may not have a career year again with Jagr not on the other wing. Schenn is a project. Couts will have to step up his offense and that is not a given. Simmonds is not proven. Briere needs a playmaker on his wing. Every line seems to have a bit of a question mark next to it, especially the top 2.

It seems Voracek is being included in every trade rumor. And the fact that Flyers let Carle go and did not sign the guy seems to indicate they are down with creating cap space to sign a big name and trade Jacob.

But isn't this making the forwards corps a little thin? Harts may not have a career year again with Jagr not on the other wing. Schenn is a project. Couts will have to step up his offense and that is not a given. Simmonds is not proven. Briere needs a playmaker on his wing. Every line seems to have a bit of a question mark next to it, especially the top 2.
- PT21

It seems Voracek is being included in every trade rumor. And the fact that Flyers let Carle go and did not sign the guy seems to indicate they are down with creating cap space to sign a big name and trade Jacob.

But isn't this making the forwards corps a little thin? Harts may not have a career year again with Jagr not on the other wing. Schenn is a project. Couts will have to step up his offense and that is not a given. Simmonds is not proven. Briere needs a playmaker on his wing. Every line seems to have a bit of a question mark next to it, especially the top 2.
- PT21

Add Weber.... fewer goals against, and he will score 15-20 goals and be a force on the power play with is 100 + shot from the point

I agree it would be painful, but after the first couple years the financial hit isnt that awful. They can build around Weber and Rinne. How do they expect to have fans losing Weber and Suter ? It really could kill the franchise not mathcing and retaining Weber
- flyhoc

Say, hypothetically, they don't match and get Voracek and Meszaros, and keep two firsts out of the 4. Then they trade one of the remaining firsts in a deal for Jay Bouwmeester.

That's very likely a playoff team. In their division, Detroit got weaker, Chicago still has net issues and Columbus flat sucks. That draws more fans-plus gets them playoff revenues-than a non playoff team that will struggle to keep some of the 12 free agents they have coming up in July of 2013, because of the massive balloon payments due to Weber.

From a purely hockey standpoint, you match and keep Weber. No question. But it's probably not even Poile's choice. The decision will be made by the owners.

Say, hypothetically, they don't match and get Voracek and Meszaros, and keep two firsts out of the 4. Then they trade one of the remaining firsts in a deal for Jay Bouwmeester.

That's very likely a playoff team. In their division, Detroit got weaker, Chicago still has net issues and Columbus flat sucks. That draws more fans-plus gets them playoff revenues-than a non playoff team that will struggle to keep some of the 12 free agents they have coming up in July of 2013, because of the massive balloon payments due to Weber.

From a purely hockey standpoint, you match and keep Weber. No question. But it's probably not even Poile's choice. The decision will be made by the owners.
- Jsaquella

I think that is very doable. I am thinking if the Flyers do not offer fair trade value they must match, not simply accept picks. They can sell fans on something like this.

Add Weber.... fewer goals against, and he will score 15-20 goals and be a force on the power play with is 100 + shot from the point
- flyhoc

Weber might even score more in the Flyers offensive system, especially with Giroux feeding him blasts

It seems Voracek is being included in every trade rumor. And the fact that Flyers let Carle go and did not sign the guy seems to indicate they are down with creating cap space to sign a big name and trade Jacob.

But isn't this making the forwards corps a little thin? Harts may not have a career year again with Jagr not on the other wing. Schenn is a project. Couts will have to step up his offense and that is not a given. Simmonds is not proven. Briere needs a playmaker on his wing. Every line seems to have a bit of a question mark next to it, especially the top 2.
- PT21

Voracek makes the most sense because he can sign a contract that will help Nashville reach the floor, fills a need for them and isn't signed right now.

He has more value to the Preds than a guy like Read, and the Flyers don't want to give up Couturier or Bryaden Schenn.

Also moving Voracek and Meszaros or another sizeable salary frees room to pursue Doan or another FA winger

I agree it would be painful, but after the first couple years the financial hit isnt that awful. They can build around Weber and Rinne. How do they expect to have fans losing Weber and Suter ? It really could kill the franchise not mathcing and retaining Weber
- flyhoc

One of the issues that the Preds have to work out is Weber+Rinne=$14.8 million. They have 7 RFAs up next year. It's tough. they lost money last year and what was their cap hit?

The picked their franchise player when they picked Rinne unless they have some new tv contract coming up.