I wouldn't give up that much.
- MJL

How about Vorachek, MAB and 3 1sts? And throw in Cousins to sweeten the pot if you had to.

You don't lament the loss of your d-partner, tour rivals' facilities, and sign a poison pill you know will put your current employer at a loss if you're content with where you are.
- Tomahawk

You my friend are on point yet again!

The flyers Gm has already done his job......try to improve his team and at the same time trying to keep assets from his rivals. He clearly did not want Suter and Parise to end up in Pitts or NYR so he bids up the price and they land in minny.....all the while he speaking w/ poile try to get a deal done for his real target....weber.....along the way , letting carle and jags walk b/c he has a bigger fish in Mind.....that said, we will either get weber or not but more importantly our rivals did not get weber.....weber in Nash is better than Pitts or NYR......and I like our team with weber and losing a few players....mezoros, vorakek and the like.....I don't think the flyers will give up any major pieces b/c we already won !!!

Weber stays a pred. Doan stays out west. Ryan a flyer by Wednesday

How about Vorachek, MAB and 3 1sts? And throw in Cousins to sweeten the pot if you had to.
- TheGreat28

That's more than they gave up for Pronger in an open-market trade...

Weber stays a pred. Doan stays out west. Ryan a flyer by Wednesday
- Deasr1

i hope not

That's more than they gave up for Pronger in an open-market trade...
- Tomahawk

Well, part of me can't argue because I hated the Pronger trade. But that was mainly because of his age. From the beginning I was skeptical about his ability to play out the contract, tho I never would have guessed concussion.

But I think those offers are about equal, this is probably a little higher.

Lupul < Vorachek, tho their points were about the same in trade year Jake has more upside

Sbisa >> MAB OR Sbisa = MAB + Cousins

Two first rounders in each case.

EDIT: Sorry, three 1sts in the deal for Weber. But his age buys an extra first.

Holmgren should toss in some package including Voracek, get Weber, them immediately toss another offer sheet at Poile for Voracek.

Well, part of me can't argue because I hated the Pronger trade. But that was mainly because of his age. From the beginning I was skeptical about his ability to play out the contract, tho I never would have guessed concussion.

But I think those offers are about equal, this is probably a little higher.

Lupul < Vorachek, tho their points were about the same in trade year Jake has more upside

Sbisa >> MAB OR Sbisa = MAB + Cousins

Two first rounders in each case.

EDIT: Sorry, three 1sts in the deal for Weber. But his age buys an extra first.
- TheGreat28

That's the kind of deal you make if you have a host of other teams driving up the asking price... that's way too much to give up just to turn a dominant position into a done deal. Yeah, you stand the chance of walking away empty-handed, but that's better than weakening the team short and long-term for potentially no reason.

Holmgren should toss in some package including Voracek, get Weber, them immediately toss another offer sheet at Poile for Voracek.
- nhindian

You don't lament the loss of your d-partner, tour rivals' facilities, and sign a poison pill you know will put your current employer at a loss if you're content with where you are.
- Tomahawk

not to mention dreger's on record as saying "he clearly wants out". he's a dude in the know. as we all know. i trust what he says.

You don't lament the loss of your d-partner, tour rivals' facilities, and sign a poison pill you know will put your current employer at a loss if you're content with where you are.
- Tomahawk

You also don't advise your client to sit on his hands and sign a one year contract knowing this most likely will be his last chance for a record payday. That would be tantamount to malpractice. Talk about your home town discount!

As his agent, it's my job to get him the most security that I can. And I have to get it this year, be it in Nashville, or Philly, or where ever not knowing what the cap constraints will be in 2013 and beyond.

Holmgren should toss in some package including Voracek, get Weber, them immediately toss another offer sheet at Poile for Voracek.
- nhindian

great idea. but leight.

That's the kind of deal you make if you have a host of other teams driving up the asking price... that's way too much to give up just to turn a dominant position into a done deal. Yeah, you stand the chance of walking away empty-handed, but that's better than weakening the team short and long-term for potentially no reason.
- Tomahawk

as you said, walk away empty handed is fine given the chips we have and that he stays out of ny and pitt, or any other eastern team for that matter.

Holmgren should toss in some package including Voracek, get Weber, them immediately toss another offer sheet at Poile for Voracek.
- nhindian

already been suggested

the flyers are already the bad guys in the eyes of the league, might as well embrace the role

already been suggested

the flyers are already the bad guys in the eyes of the league, might as well embrace the role
- FlyerMike18

Nah. Even I would have to smack Homer for that move.

(when he wasn't looking then run like hell)

I agree about the Agent playing a role in the contract. But I don't agree that Weber clearly wanted out of Nashville. In fact his Agent said recently, that Nashville is home for Weber, and he'd have no problem finishing out his career in Nashville. Moreso what Weber clearly wanted was a long term front laded contract with a chance to win the Cup. And the Flyers clearly have the better ability to offer that then Nashville does. It's far more abut that, then wanting out of Nashville. If wanting out of Nashville was the clear motivation. He plays out the year, and hits Unrestricted Free Agency.
- MJL

And risk losing millions due to the new CBA. Not likely. It was now or never. I think his agent and the Flyers have a pretty good idea if the Preds will match or not.

Nah. Even I would have to smack Homer for that move.

(when he wasn't looking then run like hell)
- 77rams

i'm just kidding

probably wouldn't even be possible, considering a deal for weber (even one including jake) would likely also include our 2013 first rounder

You don't lament the loss of your d-partner, tour rivals' facilities, and sign a poison pill you know will put your current employer at a loss if you're content with where you are.
- Tomahawk

He's not content with his contract situation, and his chances of winning a Cup. If your lone motivation is to leave Nashville, you don't sign a deal that could result in being signed to play there for the next 14 years.

And risk losing millions due to the new CBA. Not likely. It was now or never. I think his agent and the Flyers have a pretty good idea if the Preds will match or not.
- Flyers1218

Which supports my statement that his motivation is the front loaded long term contract.

That's more than they gave up for Pronger in an open-market trade...
- Tomahawk

My friend. Don't bother. It's like banging your head against the wall. Everything that came out (spending day attempting to trade, agent stressing Flyers are "best fit", and "things changed after Ryan left") kind of foreshadows that Nashville won't be able to match, but the lack of information over the past day and a half has kind of got everyone going back and forth. I'm pretty sure Weber is a Flyer and Nashville has it's out by saying the Flyers didn't practice in the spirit of the CBA. Just me, but I can't kill guys like MJL or anyone else because there has been so little information and they are voicing logical and respectable alternatives.

Which supports my statement that his motivation is the front loaded long term contract.
- MJL

I read your comment incorrectly. I apologize.

Holmgren should toss in some package including Voracek, get Weber, them immediately toss another offer sheet at Poile for Voracek.
- nhindian

Hahaha, now that is classic. Well done.

IMO Voracek, Meszaros and the 2013 1st rd pick gets you most of the way to equaling a 1st rd pick in 13, 14, 15, 16 if not all the way there.

eskin right again