Sorry if I am leight with this one, but here is Bobby Holik on the offer sheet. Interestingly, he defends it, and says he cannot believe that no one did the same for Stamkos. Given the way he played, not surprising he believes totally in the "hard-nosed without any lamenting about scruples" approach.

http://holikonhockey.com/.../shea-webers-offer-sheet/

Twenty years ago we were waiting for the arbitrator's decision on Lindros. I feel the same way now except that I'm fat, bald and everything hurts.
- 2731color

Sorry if I am leight with this one, but here is Bobby Holik on the offer sheet. Interestingly, he defends it, and says he cannot believe that no one did the same for Stamkos. Given the way he played, not surprising he believes totally in the "hard-nosed without any lamenting about scruples" approach.

http://holikonhockey.com/.../shea-webers-offer-sheet/
- PT21

apparently Mr. Holik doesn't consult with the entrepreneurs of hockeybuzz

From a brilliant Preds fan:
Shea Weber is a blue chip player. It only makes sense to trade a blue chip player back in return. You want Shea Weber? Nashville isn't going to give him away. It's going to take Giroux and a defenseman. Timonen would work, but someone else with more years left on their contract would be better.

Major asset for major asset; not major asset for average players plus players with potential. No deal!
- TerryB

LOL

You're assuming that the best offer Homer made before the OS will also be his best offer now. That's simply not a given. Homer may very well sweeten the offer now to get the Preds to not match.
- FlyerGuy

How could the trade price possibly go up with all the other competing teams eliminated from the process? Nashville has no leverage except the threat to match, and Homer and Weber's agent were careful to create a scenario where there is a very strong chance that Poile won't be able to do so.

As for any trade in general, the Gratton situation has been cited all over the place, but there's no faulty fax machine this time around, and Homer has no track record of ceding value to help other GM's save face. Now, if Homer wants those draft picks back badly enough, he could make a sensible deal, but I wouldn't expect charity in this situation.

From a brilliant Preds fan:
Shea Weber is a blue chip player. It only makes sense to trade a blue chip player back in return. You want Shea Weber? Nashville isn't going to give him away. It's going to take Giroux and a defenseman. Timonen would work, but someone else with more years left on their contract would be better.

Major asset for major asset; not major asset for average players plus players with potential. No deal!
- TerryB

LOL
- Richieattack18

He's from the dakotas according to his profile location so I guess watching the Preds play in Nashville or Quebec doesn't matter.

From a brilliant Preds fan:
Shea Weber is a blue chip player. It only makes sense to trade a blue chip player back in return. You want Shea Weber? Nashville isn't going to give him away. It's going to take Giroux and a defenseman. Timonen would work, but someone else with more years left on their contract would be better.

Major asset for major asset; not major asset for average players plus players with potential. No deal!
- TerryB

LOL
- Richieattack18

unfortunately for howie mandel this isn't a typical trade with other suitors, either they pony up more than would make sense from a business standpoint for him bluff and trade him with only slightly more leverage or take the 4-1st rd picks

How could the trade price possibly go up with all the other competing teams eliminated from the process? Nashville has no leverage except the threat to match, and Homer and Weber's agent were careful to create a scenario where there is a very strong chance that Poile won't be able to do so.

As for any trade in general, the Gratton situation has been cited all over the place, but there's no faulty fax machine this time around, and Homer has no track record of ceding value to help other GM's save face. Now, if Homer wants those draft picks back badly enough, he could make a sensible deal, but I wouldn't expect charity in this situation.
- Tomahawk

Uh yea thats another thing, Im pretty sure Weber's agent knew what Nashville was willing to do.

From a brilliant Preds fan:
Shea Weber is a blue chip player. It only makes sense to trade a blue chip player back in return. You want Shea Weber? Nashville isn't going to give him away. It's going to take Giroux and a defenseman. Timonen would work, but someone else with more years left on their contract would be better.

Major asset for major asset; not major asset for average players plus players with potential. No deal!
- TerryB

LOL
- Richieattack18

Wow. That is not going to happen. I understand his point, but no. Its not the same deal. This isn't a "hockey trade". This one team trying to take advantage of another teams woes. Realistically speaking.

If nashvilles does not match it destroys their team... Of course they can choose not to match, but they'll suck and then sink their franchise
- Philly1980

fixed

Uh yea thats another thing, Im pretty sure Weber's agent knew what Nashville was willing to do.
- JoeRussomanno

Nashville probably already made it very clear to the player and agent what they could and couldn't afford during past negotiations and why... I'm sure that knowledge came into play when they talked strategy w/ Homer on the OS. Homer's getting a lot of the credit for the ruthless and incisive maneuver, but I have a feeling that the agent has an unheralded role in the way it went down.

Weber clearly wanted out of Nashville.

How could the trade price possibly go up with all the other competing teams eliminated from the process? Nashville has no leverage except the threat to match, and Homer and Weber's agent were careful to create a scenario where there is a very strong chance that Poile won't be able to do so.

As for any trade in general, the Gratton situation has been cited all over the place, but there's no faulty fax machine this time around, and Homer has no track record of ceding value to help other GM's save face. Now, if Homer wants those draft picks back badly enough, he could make a sensible deal, but I wouldn't expect charity in this situation.
- Tomahawk

This.

fixed
- PT21

If they don't match it they'll be fine. They already traded the flyers one D-man/captain, they still have a franchise.

If Nashville matchest his offer, the up front signing bonuses are going to hamper them significantly filling out their roster. That team will have Weber and Renne and nothing else for the next 4 years.

Nashville probably already made it very clear to the player and agent what they could and couldn't afford during past negotiations and why... I'm sure that knowledge came into play when they talked strategy w/ Homer on the OS. Homer's getting a lot of the credit for the ruthless and incisive maneuver, but I have a feeling that the agent has an unheralded role in the way it went down.

Weber clearly wanted out of Nashville.
- Tomahawk

Again, I agree, nice work

Dan Carcillo blames goaltending for Flyers’ 2010 Cup Final loss, has zero respect for Laviolette

http://sports.yahoo.com/b...9nBHB0A3NlY3Rpb25z;_ylv=3

Nashville probably already made it very clear to the player and agent what they could and couldn't afford during past negotiations and why... I'm sure that knowledge came into play when they talked strategy w/ Homer on the OS. Homer's getting a lot of the credit for the ruthless and incisive maneuver, but I have a feeling that the agent has an unheralded role in the way it went down.

Weber clearly wanted out of Nashville.
- Tomahawk

Oh i have no doubt that the dialogue went something like "yea homer, Poile can give us 7.5 a year untill the sun collapses but that's it" Homer- "How's the 7.5 plus a humanguos beeg signing bonus?" "well we wanted that but they laughed and said they would have to sell the franchise to quebec if they did it." Homer "oh really"

Dan Carcillo blames goaltending for Flyers’ 2010 Cup Final loss, has zero respect for Laviolette

http://sports.yahoo.com/b...9nBHB0A3NlY3Rpb25z;_ylv=3
- Tomahawk

Your right dan, Lavy should have kept your ass in the pressbox.

edit: what an a-1 j/o yea dude we know the goalie blew it, did you need to dogpile on a former teammate?

Your right dan, Lavy should have kept your ass in the pressbox.

edit: what an a-1 j/o yea dude we know the goalie blew it, did you need to dogpile on a former teammate?
- JoeRussomanno

How could the trade price possibly go up with all the other competing teams eliminated from the process? Nashville has no leverage except the threat to match, and Homer and Weber's agent were careful to create a scenario where there is a very strong chance that Poile won't be able to do so.

As for any trade in general, the Gratton situation has been cited all over the place, but there's no faulty fax machine this time around, and Homer has no track record of ceding value to help other GM's save face. Now, if Homer wants those draft picks back badly enough, he could make a sensible deal, but I wouldn't expect charity in this situation.
- Tomahawk

Let's say the Flyers offered Jake, Mesz and 2 #1's, and Nashville countered with Couturier, Coburn and 2 #1's. Homer balks. Poile then offers Couturier, Mesz and the picks. Homer still refuses. Poile starts to sweat, so he tells Homer he'll take Jake, Mesz the picks, but you gotta throw in MAB.

The offer was more than Homer's initial offer. But do you think MAB really stops this deal?

I've been in a lot of negotiations, and saw where we either gave up or received something that was absolutely out of the deal. And yes, in some of these negotiations there was no other competitor for various business reasons.

Again, I agree, nice work
- stveshdy

2nd this!

Nice that an agent is actually helping us for once

Dan Carcillo blames goaltending for Flyers’ 2010 Cup Final loss, has zero respect for Laviolette

http://sports.yahoo.com/b...9nBHB0A3NlY3Rpb25z;_ylv=3
- Tomahawk

You know, what the great thing about hockey is? That most of the time players don't throw a teammate under the bus like this. Shows Carbombs worth as a teammate. Never liked him...never will.

Dan Carcillo blames goaltending for Flyers’ 2010 Cup Final loss, has zero respect for Laviolette

http://sports.yahoo.com/b...9nBHB0A3NlY3Rpb25z;_ylv=3
- Tomahawk

seems like a stand-up guy

and i defended that clown when he was here

You know, what the great thing about hockey is? That most of the time players don't throw a teammate under the bus like this. Shows Carbombs worth as a teammate. Never liked him...never will.
- TheGreat28

The Fred-Ex of Hockey.

The offer was more than Homer's initial offer. But do you think MAB really stops this deal?
- TheGreat28

The initial trade scenario was made w/ other teams in the hunt and no poison pill on the table. If Homer wasn't willing to pull the trigger on that kind of initial deal under those circumstances, why would he pull the trigger on it now (plus throw in MAB) when he's got Poile over the proverbial barrel? The Flyers and the player agent have obviously calculated the risk of a match... and it seems like they both like the chances of the OS getting the job done.