The Flyers have played their ace. All the leverage is now with Nashville. Word will leak on Monday that Poile has been given approval by ownership to match or do a deal. He will negotiate one last time with Holmgren knowing he can control the final outcome.

I think Poile wants to do a deal. I think Holmgren wants to do a deal. The offer will have be a little bit better than the offer Holmgren made before dropping the offer sheet. Anything less would not be honorable.
- spatso

Guaranteed that the offer from Holmgren will not be better then the offer he made before dropping the Offer Sheet. It will be the same, or less. The leverage is with the Flyers, not Nashville.

Guaranteed that the offer from Holmgren will not be better then the offer he made before dropping the Offer Sheet. It will be the same, or less.
- MJL

Sounds about right. I approve this post.

Twenty years ago we were waiting for the arbitrator's decision on Lindros. I feel the same way now except that I'm fat, bald and everything hurts.
- 2731color

Why do a deal if hes been giving permission to match. Why not keep Weber?
- stveshdy

Because a good Hockey deal is a better situation for the team.

There is a big difference between trying to trade him, and listening to offers. And seeing what your options are.
- MJL

I agree but the bottom line for both is you were listening... so either Weber told Nash i want to move on and the Flyers caught wind tried to do a trade didnt work so the offer sheet was made.... giving them the levarage... either way you none of us know...

The Flyers have played their ace. All the leverage is now with Nashville. Word will leak on Monday that Poile has been given approval by ownership to match or do a deal. He will negotiate one last time with Holmgren knowing he can control the final outcome.

I think Poile wants to do a deal. I think Holmgren wants to do a deal. The offer will have be a little bit better than the offer Holmgren made before dropping the offer sheet. Anything less would not be honorable.
- spatso

agreed ... except I'd be hard pressed to say all the leverage is now with the Preds. The ball is in their court, for sure, but they're left with picking the least-bad of 3 bad options - and that's not exactly a strong position.

I also feel that Polie's past good relationship with Homer will help both teams work out an amicable trade where the Flyers get Weber and the Preds get immediate help (ie, Voracek, Mez) as well as picks.

Guaranteed that the offer from Holmgren will not be better then the offer he made before dropping the Offer Sheet. It will be the same, or less.
- MJL

agreed...i can't see how any kind of an advantage has shifted toward nashville in all of this since that point

I agree but the bottom line for both is you were listening... so either Weber told Nash i want to move on and the Flyers caught wind tried to do a trade didnt work so the offer sheet was made.... giving them the levarage... either way you none of us know...
- Slammed81

The Flyers definitely knew that Weber was interested, because he visited the Flyers. But if a team calls up Holmgren with an offer for Giroux, he will take the call and hear what the team has to say.

Why do a deal if hes been giving permission to match. Why not keep Weber?
- stveshdy

Because the best thing for Nashville right now is to rebuild. But they need something positive to sell their fans. People make a huge error when they think that this causes a cash crisis for Nashville. I think Poile decided he wanted to trade Weber on the day Suter left. He understands he can deal Weber a year from now if the Flyers don't offer fair hockey value.

It is a mistake to think Nashville owners are seeking a charitable donation. They now own the process. The up front financing costs is not a lot of money for high end investors. If you put them in a take it or leave it position they will walk.
- spatso

High end investors don't seek subsidizing by tax payers....

Because a good Hockey deal is a better situation for the team.
- MJL

If they can afford him why not just keep him? That's more what I'm trying to get at. In a trade the Preds aren't going to get the value they want.

Guaranteed that the offer from Holmgren will not be better then the offer he made before dropping the Offer Sheet. It will be the same, or less. The leverage is with the Flyers, not Nashville.
- MJL

It might be SLIGHTLY better in order to get the deal done. When you're thisclose to getting a franchise D man you gotta be flexible.

High end investors don't seek subsidizing by tax payers....
- Philly1980

6.5 mill last year to stay afloat

Why in the world would the Flyers give up 3 1st rounders and 3 very decent, young roster players fr a guy who all signs point to him leaving!? This isn't a trade. And last i checked, all Nashville is entitled to is 4 1st rounders..take it or leave it.

Lets not forget, If nashville were going to sign Weber, they would have already.
Nashville cant afford this contract. AND, most of all, Weber made it clear he wants to be a Flyer. This is Nashvilles best opportunity to get something for Weber before losing him for nothing next year. The cards are in the Flyers favor. Give them 3 picks and snd Mez and Bourdon over for 1 pick back...thats it...All this Voracek talk is Bullsh*t...cant lose an entire forward line in one offseason...
- Mozzy

The Preds won't be losing Weber in one year he would be a Pred for life if they match.

The only leverage Nashville has is to keep weber or not. Not what they receive in a trade from us. Either they match and keep him. Then we move on. They don't and take picks and we destroy everyone. Or we nicely help them out with a trade

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If they can afford him why not just keep him? That's more what I'm trying to get at. In a trade the Preds aren't going to get the value they want.
- stveshdy

You and I have had this discussion many times. You look at what your options are. And you choose what the best option is.

If your buying a car, and your choosing between different models. Do you always choose the most expensive one? Even if you can afford it? Or do you choose the model that makes the most sense? I'm not sure why this can't be grasped.

It might be SLIGHTLY better in order to get the deal done. When you're thisclose to getting a franchise D man you gotta be flexible.
- FlyerGuy

I would think that Holmgren has already been flexible in the trade talks before the Offer Sheet. And has already presented his best offer to Poile.

The Preds won't be losing Weber in one year he would be a Pred for life if they match.
- Richieattack18

Not neccesarily.

I would think that Holmgren has already been flexible in the trade talks before the Offer Sheet. And has already presented his best offer to Poile.
- MJL

I agree

Not neccesarily.
- MJL

I find it unlikely tho hes moved alot has to do with new CBA and obviously it has to be a big market with that contract structure then again...they could do it... i dont see the point but they could do it

I would think that Holmgren has already been flexible in the trade talks before the Offer Sheet. And has already presented his best offer to Poile.
- MJL

Flexible and thin on patience, that's Homer

I agree
- Slammed81

That's the whole reason for the Offer Sheet. Failure to come to a compromise. If Holmgren was willing to offer more. He would of done so before the OS.

6.5 mill last year to stay afloat
- Philly1980

I am fascinated by the different understandings of what is happening here. If you have ever been involved in debtor in possession financing (DIP) you know that the only thing you have of value is your most valued asset. The asset is like gold to the franchise. The owners will be the guys most reluctant to do a deal. Getting a deal done means giving Poile enough ammunition to convince his owners that is the best direction to go.

I find it unlikely tho hes moved alot has to do with new CBA and obviously it has to be a big market with that contract structure then again...they could do it... i dont see the point but they could do it
- Slammed81

It is probably unlikely. But after a few years, it could come down to that.