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vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Jul 21 @ 12:03 PM ET
hamels is signing elsewhere for less money than the phils offer. he wants out
- FlyerMike18

can you imagine Hamels pitching in his hometown park?
Flyers2821
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 01.16.2010

Jul 21 @ 12:05 PM ET
hamels is signing elsewhere for less money than the phils offer. he wants out
- FlyerMike18


This is absolutely the furthest from the truth. All the teams who were trying to acquire Hamels from the Phillies have stopped their pursuit as they expect Hamels to re-sign with the Phillies in the upcoming days.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Jul 21 @ 12:06 PM ET
Just was told that Nashville's circumvention hearing was denied by the NHL, and they also won't let Nashville tap into their reserves.

They're in a tough spot, and talks have resumed between the 2 clubs to see if they can workout a trade. Right now Poile still demanding Schenn/Couturier. Homer isn't going to budge there.

I also was told Doan's offer is in the 3yrs/21 mill range, so obviously some moves would follow if they both landed here.

- LordStanley88


GID, HOLMGER!
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Jul 21 @ 12:06 PM ET
i can't wait until nashville gets 4 lottery picks and you get shea "injury prone" weber.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jul 21 @ 12:07 PM ET
After wrapping my head around this for a couple days now, I still think Nashville is better off not matching. Lower financial risk and if they play their cards right 4 draft picks can go a long way. They can flip each one for a roster player or draft accordingly. The recipients of these multiple picks/player trades usually wind up doing pretty good longterm. Two such trades in sports that come to mind are the Herschel Walker trade in the NFL years ago and the Lindros trades. Due to that, I'd almost rather the Flyers don't do this, but considering how stacked their team is now, I feel good about shedding one or two players and a pick or just four first rounders.
Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Jul 21 @ 12:08 PM ET
Sorry, Im flat out not interested in including Coburn or Mezzy. We'll just be looking to full their void next year when Kimmo is done. The only D man I offer them is MAB. I offer them Voracek as well. I offer them that and I call Nashvilles bluff to the very end. They can take some garbage as well if it helps them reach the cap floor. Shelly and Walker should be mandatory in any trade we make with them.
- hereticpride

Would you be more interested if you could sign Shane Doan as well? I was anti-trading Jake, Mezzy, and MAB to get Nashville to match, but now? I make that trade if I felt I could land both Shea Weber and Shane Doan.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jul 21 @ 12:08 PM ET
Reading the analysis of so-called financial professionals has me unconfused as to how the economy is fragged.
- JoeRussomanno


Well there you go, you nailed it. If you can finance an entire government through debtor in possession financing, think about how easy it is for Nashville resolve any bridge financing caused by the structure of the Weber contract.

Heard the Nashville announcer on Ottawa radio guaranteeing that the Preds would match. I believe that is the party line and Nashville only backs down if they have something good they can sell their fans on.
Flyers2821
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 01.16.2010

Jul 21 @ 12:09 PM ET
i can't wait until nashville gets 4 lottery picks and you get shea "injury prone" weber.
- rangerdanger94


he's missed 9 games in the past 4 years
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jul 21 @ 12:09 PM ET
Well there you go, you nailed it. If you can finance an entire government through debtor in possession financing, think about how easy it is for Nashville resolve any bridge financing caused by the structure of the Weber contract.

Heard the Nashville announcer on Ottawa radio guaranteeing that the Preds would match. I believe that is the party line and Nashville only backs down if they have something good they can sell their fans on.

- spatso

Thing is goverments just go to war when the bottom falls out, Pro-sports teams move to cities where they belong. See atlanta thrashers

edit furthermore if the Preds had all this money why go to arbitration last year, why not have Weber locked up already?
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Jul 21 @ 12:10 PM ET
he's missed 9 games in the past 4 years
- Flyers2821

rangers are paying weber to rip slap shots at flyers players' heads during practices
TheGreat28
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chadds Ford, PA
Joined: 06.20.2010

Jul 21 @ 12:13 PM ET
Reading the analysis of so-called financial professionals has me unconfused as to how the economy is fragged.
- JoeRussomanno


My wife says the same thing when we go to a restaurant and wait 45 mins to get a table.

Here's a joke that will help you understand accountancy.

A CEO was looking for a right hand man. So he interviews an engineered, a lawyer, and an accountant, and asks each of them one question - what is 2 + 2?

The engineer whips out his calculator and answers 4 with a statical error of .00004 to the square root of pie.

The lawyer answers, in the case of the people vs. Banner it was proven to be 4.

The accountant walks over, closes the door, and answers...what do you want it to be?

He got the job.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jul 21 @ 12:14 PM ET
Thing is goverments just go to war when the bottom falls out, Pro-sports teams move to cities where they belong. See atlanta thrashers

edit furthermore if the Preds had all this money why go to arbitration last year, why not have Weber locked up already?

- JoeRussomanno


For the same reason that Holgren still does not have Voracek under contract.
aosplayo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 01.14.2008

Jul 21 @ 12:14 PM ET
Dustin Leed ‏@D_LEED

No Gervais. RT @DownGoesSpezza: Not to...alarm...anyone, but Ben Holmstrom has been given #12 by the Flyers... http://flyers.nhl.com/club/roster.htm





Dun Dun DUN!
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jul 21 @ 12:15 PM ET
For the same reason that Holgren still does not have Voracek under contract.
- spatso

he doesn't have Voracek under contract because he's trying to get weber. All he has to do is submit a qualifying offer.
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jul 21 @ 12:22 PM ET
Thing is goverments just go to war when the bottom falls out, Pro-sports teams move to cities where they belong. See atlanta thrashers

edit furthermore if the Preds had all this money why go to arbitration last year, why not have Weber locked up already?

- JoeRussomanno



cause he wasn't staying no matter what

boo-ya
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jul 21 @ 12:23 PM ET
he doesn't have Voracek under contract because he's trying to get weber. All he has to do is submit a qualifying offer.
- JoeRussomanno


if he's signed he could be traded in this transaction, he stays an RFA until after
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jul 21 @ 12:24 PM ET
cause he wasn't staying no matter what

boo-ya

- puckhead17

I don't think so. In fact if money wasn't an issue, Homer wouldn't have wasted his time going this route because Nashville wouldn't even be at the negotiating table. think about it, Weber signed a deal that if matched by Nashville would make him a predator for the rest of his life
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Jul 21 @ 12:25 PM ET
imagine if nashville matches...how anticlimactic would that be.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jul 21 @ 12:26 PM ET
imagine if nashville matches...how anticlimactic would that be.
- rangerdanger94

It be fine, we know you ain't getting him.
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Jul 21 @ 12:26 PM ET
It be fine, we know you ain't getting him.
- JoeRussomanno

we don't need him. our defense and goaltending is solid enough.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jul 21 @ 12:27 PM ET
we don't need him. our defense and goaltending is solid enough.
- rangerdanger94

Everyone can use the best defenseman in the league.
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jul 21 @ 12:27 PM ET
I don't think so. In fact if money wasn't an issue, Homer wouldn't have wasted his time going this route because Nashville wouldn't even be at the negotiating table. think about it, Weber signed a deal that if matched by Nashville would make him a predator for the rest of his life
- JoeRussomanno


They match, and they pay $15 millions a year to he & Pekke, who else plays?
ouch
I don't think they want to match this, can't pay him $26 million in one year & then move him either. They will still stink with him, as they have he & Hal Gill?
He's also stated he wants no part of a rebuild.
Legwand has been a #1 center on that team for 4 years?
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Jul 21 @ 12:27 PM ET
Everyone can use the best defenseman in the league.
- JoeRussomanno

mcdonaghs already on the rangers
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jul 21 @ 12:28 PM ET
we don't need him. our defense and goaltending is solid enough.
- rangerdanger94


and your coach is fuc&ing insane!

griouxmvp2012
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 06.27.2011

Jul 21 @ 12:28 PM ET
imagine if nashville matches...how anticlimactic would that be.
- rangerdanger94

if they were gonna match they would have already and weber wants to play here why would you sign a guy back that dont want to be there
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