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2731color
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.17.2007

Jul 21 @ 11:26 AM ET
Generally I do agree. I'm only thinking that long-term Schenn slots in as 2nd line center and Laughton would make an ideal 3rd line center 2 years out. Bridge that gap with Arnott and you could afford to give up Couturier.
- TheGreat28

Assuming that Schenn comes into his that's not a bad plan. Trading Coots, for most though, is the "third rail" but it makes for interesting conversation.
TheGreat28
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chadds Ford, PA
Joined: 06.20.2010

Jul 21 @ 11:26 AM ET
Yeah but if we have weber for that, Doan who?

Jake V could be a 60 point guy each year

- puckhead17


I'm with you brother! I think we need Jake's playmaking skills more in future years. Also, the Schenns will bring a lot of physicality.

It really all depends on what they have to give up for Weber - Jake, Schenn or Coots.
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jul 21 @ 11:27 AM ET


If you are from Philly and a little bit older, Conklin did an excellent bit a long time ago about Clarkie in the shower. One of hte lines was "Let me take out a rag and clean the ole 5-hole".

You totally reminded me of that.

- TheGreat28


I kind of remember that

aosplayo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 01.14.2008

Jul 21 @ 11:28 AM ET
I'm with you brother! I think we need Jake's playmaking skills more in future years. Also, the Schenns will bring a lot of physicality.

It really all depends on what they have to give up for Weber - Jake, Schenn or Coots.

- TheGreat28




I heart Brayden Schenn after that Pittsburgh series...... Hes got a lot of Richie in him. I love that he didnt fight Crosby, I know some people didnt like that, but to me that shows maturity and putting the team first.
TheGreat28
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chadds Ford, PA
Joined: 06.20.2010

Jul 21 @ 11:28 AM ET
At 6'4", 191 lbs, 19 years old, and with his skill set..... man is he going to be a female dog to play against when he fills out. Couturier is a keeper IMO. I hope they don't budge and deal him.
- moylander


I agree. I'd love for them to be able to keep Jake and Couturier...just don't see it happening.

They'll also have to pay G and Schenn (assuming he reaches potential) in a few years. Might be like Pitts - can't afford to keep all three.
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Jul 21 @ 11:29 AM ET
when are the Weber, Doan and Ryan press conferences?
TheGreat28
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chadds Ford, PA
Joined: 06.20.2010

Jul 21 @ 11:29 AM ET
I kind of remember that


- puckhead17



The other funny line in that bit was "Oh damn, Looks like Jaromir Jagr got hair all over the soap again"
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jul 21 @ 11:29 AM ET
I'm with you brother! I think we need Jake's playmaking skills more in future years. Also, the Schenns will bring a lot of physicality.

It really all depends on what they have to give up for Weber - Jake, Schenn or Coots.

- TheGreat28


If they are demanding certain players, then they can't match it, can't see them doing it anyway, they would still stink with Weber as he would have no support around him, and he already stated he doesn't want to be in a rebuild
aosplayo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 01.14.2008

Jul 21 @ 11:30 AM ET
when are the Weber, Doan and Ryan press conferences?
- vejim




Thursday at noon.....
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Jul 21 @ 11:30 AM ET
I heart Brayden Schenn after that Pittsburgh series...... Hes got a lot of Richie in him. I love that he didnt fight Crosby, I know some people didnt like that, but to me that shows maturity and putting the team first.
- aosplayo

I think B Schenn is going to be a very good player in Nashville
77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed...
Joined: 09.12.2006

Jul 21 @ 11:30 AM ET
I agree.. but 7M would be tough to stomach. I do worry about Doan's play dropping off sharply at some point ala LeClair. But they may just have to do it if it comes down to it
- eayost


I'd maybe consider 7 mil per for two years. Three is a little hard for me to digest. We may need that 7 mil in the third year to help sign G, Coots, Metz, and B. Schenn (if he's still around ) whose contracts will be up.
eayost
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Into the Void, PA
Joined: 04.14.2010

Jul 21 @ 11:31 AM ET
I believe Bryz played better in the majority of those 20 games than he did in any month not named March. Take away the Winnipeg games, and he did start off better. Add in Luke's physical play and shot blocking along with a full season of Coburn-Grossmann, and I think Bryz plays a hell of a lot better in his 2nd Flyer season.
- Rocktane


As long as L Schenn doesn't deflect a bunch of pucks past Bryz, we'll be alright
FlyerMike18
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.07.2009

Jul 21 @ 11:32 AM ET
when are the Weber, Doan and Ryan press conferences?
- vejim


heard foppa's ankle is as good as it's been since 2002, as well. count him in
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jul 21 @ 11:33 AM ET
The other funny line in that bit was "Oh damn, Looks like Jaromir Jagr got hair all over the soap again"
- TheGreat28


You have a great memory!
I kind of remember that

eayost
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Into the Void, PA
Joined: 04.14.2010

Jul 21 @ 11:33 AM ET
I'd maybe consider 7 mil per for two years. Three is a little hard for me to digest. We may need that 7 mil in the third year to help sign G, Coots, Metz, and B. Schenn (if he's still around ) whose contracts will be up.
- 77rams


Agreed. The 3rd year at that high on a 35+ contract is scary, on top of the dead space that having Pronger on LTIR yields. Imagine that third year if Doan just physically wears out. Yikes
TheGreat28
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chadds Ford, PA
Joined: 06.20.2010

Jul 21 @ 11:33 AM ET
I heart Brayden Schenn after that Pittsburgh series...... Hes got a lot of Richie in him. I love that he didnt fight Crosby, I know some people didnt like that, but to me that shows maturity and putting the team first.
- aosplayo


Agreed. I think the key with Schenn is to get off to a good start, get his confidence up. I think he could completely take off then. And I think having his brother here will help that.
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Jul 21 @ 11:33 AM ET
As long as L Schenn doesn't deflect a bunch of pucks past Bryz, we'll be alright
- eayost

I love when Bryz gives the D men dirty looks, I cant wait to see him give a look to Weber
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jul 21 @ 11:34 AM ET
I would definitely be willing to include Meszaros. When Timonen is done, they have 6.3M to play with. he can be replaced. So can Coburn for that matter. Shelly and Walker are non starters. I don't know why anyone brings them up.
- MJL

77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed...
Joined: 09.12.2006

Jul 21 @ 11:34 AM ET
They are screwed whether they match or not, $15 million a year to one D man and goalie gives them very little around them, aside from the front load which hurts them double.
- puckhead17


I guess it comes down to if you're Nash is would you rather be screwed with Weber on your roster or without Weber on your roster?
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Jul 21 @ 11:35 AM ET
hell, bring in Hasek also...Foppa, Hasek, Doan,Ryan,Weber...let the celebrations begin
TheGreat28
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chadds Ford, PA
Joined: 06.20.2010

Jul 21 @ 11:37 AM ET
One of you guys mentioned this a few minutes ago, but I couldn't find it. I wonder if the Flyers could entice Nashville with 18 million dollars and Pronger's contract. That covers the next 3 years, and the last couple of years are 525k or something like that. To Nashville that should have a LOT of value, cash flow plus cap floor management.

That's gotta be worth one of those picks. Comcast would have to bite a BIG chunk of cash outfloor between this and Weber tho.
eayost
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Into the Void, PA
Joined: 04.14.2010

Jul 21 @ 11:38 AM ET
One of you guys mentioned this a few minutes ago, but I couldn't find it. I wonder if the Flyers could entice Nashville with 18 million dollars and Pronger's contract. That covers the next 3 years, and the last couple of years are 525k or something like that. To Nashville that should have a LOT of value, cash flow plus cap floor management.

That's gotta be worth one of those picks. Comcast would have to bite a BIG chunk of cash outfloor between this and Weber tho.

- TheGreat28


I don't know if you can trade straight up cash anymore
TheGreat28
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chadds Ford, PA
Joined: 06.20.2010

Jul 21 @ 11:40 AM ET
I don't know if you can trade straight up cash anymore
- eayost


That's a good question. Bill/MJL/Jsaq - any of you guys know?

Obviously you used to be able to do this, re: Lindros trade.
aosplayo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 01.14.2008

Jul 21 @ 11:40 AM ET
I need to lower expectations again......too much positive feelings going on in here about Weber......same with CrossingBroad and 700level.

Be cool AO, be cool.......
nails
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: thread killer, PA
Joined: 02.05.2007

Jul 21 @ 11:40 AM ET
One of you guys mentioned this a few minutes ago, but I couldn't find it. I wonder if the Flyers could entice Nashville with 18 million dollars and Pronger's contract. That covers the next 3 years, and the last couple of years are 525k or something like that. To Nashville that should have a LOT of value, cash flow plus cap floor management.

That's gotta be worth one of those picks. Comcast would have to bite a BIG chunk of cash outfloor between this and Weber tho.

- TheGreat28

Its the dead roster spot it would create. You would have to keep him active to count against the cap. I would also bet the nhl vetoes that.
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