I knew you would rise to the bait of "Billy Reay..great head coach"
- Beaver-Warrior

Way overrated....How many HOF players on that team??...In a six team league and 0 Cups.
On Twitter@AlCimaglia

Way overrated....How many HOF players on that team??...In a six team league and 0 Cups.
On Twitter@AlCimaglia
- Al

Should have had two cups, 67 & 71...

It is not an overpayment in terms of player value, or skill. In fact, in terms of skill and value we would be giving the Shaft to Vancouver in that deal. However, the fact that Gillis is in no position to negotiate makes it a vast overpayment.

It is like if someone says "I need to sell my flatscreen TV to make my car payment"...no one is going to give that guy full price for the TV because he NEEDS anything someone will offer. Lu wants out, and the Nucks don't want too much money tied up between the pipes. So you offer a reclamation project (Frolik) a backup goalie (Crawford) and maybe a low round pick (4-6). That is a better deal than he will get from anyone who even would want Lu.
- anawrocki

and you guys and your sh1tty goalie are?
by reading your posts, sounds like you boys are begging for Luongo. Go to the Leafs thread, they are begging for a goalie.

hockeybuzz does it again... brings out the beauties.

I'll take Game 22, if it's not already taken...

Jesus...was in Europe and Africa from 6/29 until a couple of days ago, and get back and find out all we added was...Sheldon Brookbank?

I don't know how anyone could classify Bill Reay as a great head coach...

Pat Quinn should be in the HOF.
- Al

Billy Reay wore nice fedoras. That is the only thing that could be classified as great about him. Coaching - not!

Carcillo will. They are similar players. Don't need 2 smaller sized energy players on the team. Shaw is expendable IMO.
- moylander

Usually I agree with you, but not on this. They might not have the ideal size, but they have huge hearts. They don't give up on plays even if they get cross-checked. These are the types of players you Win with. I think Shaw has a huge year with bolland. Carcillo opened up a lot of room for Kane and Hossa. Carcillo just has to control his dumb penalties

and you guys and your sh1tty goalie are?
by reading your posts, sounds like you boys are begging for Luongo. Go to the Leafs thread, they are begging for a goalie.

hockeybuzz does it again... brings out the beauties.
- Scooby_Doo

Gillis has no leverage at all. He has only $3MM in cap space, Eddie Lack (your future back up to Schneider, and potentially very good #1) floundering in RFA land waiting for a contract, and seven current NHL roster guys going UFA the season after this one. He can't take back any bad contracts of significance because the whole point of dumping Lu is to give him space to work with.

Doing a deal with Gillis enables him to make moves to improve his team. I say let him rot. Maybe Lack becomes available since there won't be any cap to resign him with. I think we'd be happy having him wear the Indianhead.

Should have had two cups, 67 & 71...
- Beaver-Warrior

You would think..
Most don't realize how dominate of a group that was.

Mid sixties they had 4 of 5 skaters as 1st team All Stars, Hall in net and Vasko on the 2nd team on defense.

Ivan made a mistake in firing Rudy Pilous, they could have won more Cups in the sixties and 70's.

Has anyone noticed that the rumored deal for Bernier from the Leafs is Matt Frattin and a 3rd rounder?

If that's the going rate, let's go Morin+ for him (slight overpayment to keep Bernier in the West)

Well, you have to lose Crawford or you have too many goalies. Olesz is obvious. I'm not sure that Leddy has a future with this team either plus we're stocked on young puck moving d-men, most of whom seem to have greater hockey sense than Leddy. So we're really not giving up anything of value to our team while gaining something of great value. Plus with that, we can go out and sign a guy like Hannan (if he's still available?) Not exciting but more of what we need.

Players do not have a singular value in the NHL. Their value is different to each team. We really don't lose anything in this trade and if Gillis is serious about losing Lu, he would be stupid not to accept such a trade.
- Walky

So Leddy has no real hockey sense and is of no real value to the Hawks?

He may turn out to be just an average, run of the mill NHL defenseman. But for now the Hawks are better to keep him and work on developing his game instead of throwing him on the scrap heap just because he isn't Bobby Orr at 20..

If they want to trade him fine - bring me back Zach Bagosian, Karl Alzner, Cam Fowler, Jake Gardner, something like that. If that return isn't possible, move him to the left side and pair him with Seabrook.

Luongo is a special trade situation - just taking his onerous contract off of Vancouver's hands is a huge commitment alone. Gillis may just decide to keep him because the return to the Canucks isnt worth it. I'd be willing to give him Crawford and a #1 pick - that's it.

Has anyone noticed that the rumored deal for Bernier from the Leafs is Matt Frattin and a 3rd rounder?

If that's the going rate, let's go Morin+ for him (slight overpayment to keep Bernier in the West)
- 1goalLordStanley

The Kings will not offer that same kind of deal to a conference rival.

Leddy, Shaw and Frolik for Luongo.
- Boinker

NFW Shaw goes in a trade for Bobbi Lu. NFW .... next!

Should have had two cups, 67 & 71...
- Beaver-Warrior

'71, ouch

Not sure why the itch to pass on olesz. It wouldn't help your cap situation one bit. Might as well keep him and pay him to be a minor leaguer.
- moylander

Tell that to Rocky and the $8.25M he's owed the next 2 years, cap or no-cap be damned. $$$ talks, BS walks.

There was a young man from Nantucket....

(screw Shakespeare).
- StLBravesFan

+1

'71, ouch
- John Jaeckel

Lemaire?!? OUCH !!

TONY - Noooo .... !!

5/18/71 Still hurts like a MoFo.

Season ticket holders
- moylander

Or about 10% of the arena's capacity for this season...

So Leddy has no real hockey sense and is of no real value to the Hawks?

He may turn out to be just an average, run of the mill NHL defenseman. But for now the Hawks are better to keep him and work on developing his game instead of throwing him on the scrap heap just because he isn't Bobby Orr at 20..

If they want to trade him fine - bring me back Zach Bagosian, Karl Alzner, Cam Fowler, Jake Gardner, something like that. If that return isn't possible, move him to the left side and pair him with Seabrook.

Luongo is a special trade situation - just taking his onerous contract off of Vancouver's hands is a huge commitment alone. Gillis may just decide to keep him because the return to the Canucks isnt worth it. I'd be willing to give him Crawford and a #1 pick - that's it.
- RickJ

Number 1 pick...really...jeez...insane...

So Leddy has no real hockey sense and is of no real value to the Hawks?

He may turn out to be just an average, run of the mill NHL defenseman. But for now the Hawks are better to keep him and work on developing his game instead of throwing him on the scrap heap just because he isn't Bobby Orr at 20..

If they want to trade him fine - bring me back Zach Bagosian, Karl Alzner, Cam Fowler, Jake Gardner, something like that. If that return isn't possible, move him to the left side and pair him with Seabrook.

Luongo is a special trade situation - just taking his onerous contract off of Vancouver's hands is a huge commitment alone. Gillis may just decide to keep him because the return to the Canucks isnt worth it. I'd be willing to give him Crawford and a #1 pick - that's it.
- RickJ

I am not over the moon on Leddy, but I also think it is a stretch to say he sucks, has no hockey sense or trade value.

In fact, although I am really disappointed in the hawks' offseason . . . if they go into the regular season with the defense they have now, an argument can be made that they've strengthened the D—a lot—since this time last season with Oduya and Brookbank essentially replacing Lepisto and O'D.

Setting aside power play issues, lack of center depth/faceoff wins, lack of top 6 physicality, all that, the D in front of Crawford (who I am told this morning the Hawks are going to double down on at the Convention—"Corey is our guy") should be better.

And I agree with playing Leddy with Seabrook (if he's going to be a top 4 guy). otherwise, Leddy would play third pair with Brookbank, a healthy Clown Shoes or Olsen is your press box or fill in guy, Oduya with Hammer, and Keith/Seabs. There are lots of potential combinations and Brookbank being a right-handed shot helps a bit too.

Has anyone noticed that the rumored deal for Bernier from the Leafs is Matt Frattin and a 3rd rounder?

If that's the going rate, let's go Morin+ for him (slight overpayment to keep Bernier in the West)
- 1goalLordStanley

Gonna need more than a slight one of these. Plus SB has 2 strikes and no balls.

I am not over the moon on Leddy, but I also think it is a stretch to say he sucks, has no hockey sense or trade value.

In fact, although I am really disappointed in the hawks' offseason . . . if they go into the regular season with the defense they have now, an argument can be made that they've strengthened the D—a lot—since this time last season with Oduya and Brookbank essentially replacing Lepisto and O'D.

Setting aside power play issues, lack of center depth/faceoff wins, lack of top 6 physicality, all that, the D in front of Crawford (who I am told this morning the Hawks are going to double down on at the Convention—"Corey is our guy") should be better.

And I agree with playing Leddy with Seabrook (if he's going to be a top 4 guy). otherwise, Leddy would play third pair with Brookbank, a healthy Clown Shoes or Olsen is your press box or fill in guy, Oduya with Hammer, and Keith/Seabs. There are lots of potential combinations and Brookbank being a right-handed shot helps a bit too.
- John Jaeckel

Are you beginning to believe this double-down effort too? Say it ain't so.

Defence as constructed won't be good enough. Especially if they have a design on playing deep into May and into June.

Number 1 pick...really...jeez...insane...
- TrueGrit

You are overboard the other way, you don't want to give Gillis anything. If Luongo works out, the #1 pick is 28-30 overall.

I am not over the moon on Leddy, but I also think it is a stretch to say he sucks, has no hockey sense or trade value.

In fact, although I am really disappointed in the hawks' offseason . . . if they go into the regular season with the defense they have now, an argument can be made that they've strengthened the D—a lot—since this time last season with Oduya and Brookbank essentially replacing Lepisto and O'D.

Setting aside power play issues, lack of center depth/faceoff wins, lack of top 6 physicality, all that, the D in front of Crawford (who I am told this morning the Hawks are going to double down on at the Convention—"Corey is our guy") should be better.

And I agree with playing Leddy with Seabrook (if he's going to be a top 4 guy). otherwise, Leddy would play third pair with Brookbank, a healthy Clown Shoes or Olsen is your press box or fill in guy, Oduya with Hammer, and Keith/Seabs. There are lots of potential combinations and Brookbank being a right-handed shot helps a bit too.
- John Jaeckel

Yes sir, I believe what we have now is about all we can expect in the next few months. The CBA is going to have to be resolved before any other major thing occurs - if a team gets desperate or needs to purge players once the new deal is in place, the Hawks may step up.

The situation with TJ Oshie going to arbitration is interesting - that's a kid I'd like to have.