Nashville needs to send an offer sheet to Claude Giroux in 2014-15...
- jochfr

The Flyers are not that stupid.....he will be signed long term, a year before he every becomes a UFA.....they keep guys they want to keep.

It's a competition on and off the ice.


Check yer feelings at the door.

Interesting article Paul. Do you thing it's possible that the offer sheet was actually extended to Weber by the Canadian media on behalf of the Flyers? They're always up to no good.

Nashville needs to send an offer sheet to Claude Giroux in 2014-15...
- jochfr

First, they likely won't be able to afford to; that's been the crux of the debate over Weber thus far. Second, Philadelphia certainly has the wherewithal to match, which is again the reverse of the present situation.

They're free to offer sheet him if we haven't resigned him by then, but they had best get comfortable with the idea of us tying up their money for a week and them walking away with nothing, if they do.

The Flyers are not that stupid.....he will be signed long term, a year before he every becomes a UFA.....they keep guys they want to keep.
- landros 2

They'll trade him 1 year after that long term deal and then he'll win the cup elsewhere.

History repeats itself.

any nhl owner most likely has the ability to match the massive amount of up-front money. the question is...do they want to?

well suter and parise contracts are basically the exact same thing with 1 less year, so good luck with getting the contract reviewed. the flyers did absolutely nothing wrong based on the current rules. nashville has had 3 years to get a long term deal done and didnt.

well suter and parise contracts are basically the exact same thing with 1 less year, so good luck with getting the contract reviewed. the flyers did absolutely nothing wrong based on the current rules. nashville has had 3 years to get a long term deal done and didnt.
- flyershockey

After reading Weber's comments, its clear that the reason it didn't get done has nothing to do with "nashville" not getting the long term deal done. Its a lot of money on the surface, but its more about finding a way to screw his current employer to get out. If this whole episode tells you anything, its that Weber wants out. Bottom line.

well suter and parise contracts are basically the exact same thing with 1 less year, so good luck with getting the contract reviewed. the flyers did absolutely nothing wrong based on the current rules. nashville has had 3 years to get a long term deal done and didnt.
- flyershockey

And they made asses of themselves last year when the offered Weber 4.5 mill in arbitration.

Nashville needs to send an offer sheet to Claude Giroux in 2014-15...
- jochfr

Lol. As if we'd let our franchise cornerstone ever become susceptible to other clubs.

Homer isn't as foolish as Poile.

So what do flyers think is fair in a trade. B schenn/coutourier, Reed, and mezaros?

Good stuff Paul and I think the blog you cite is bang on with logic.

Bettman should step in say 'fugetaboutit' Homer and fine him as well!

So what do flyers think is fair in a trade. B schenn/coutourier, Reed, and mezaros?
- Bieksa#3

Nope. We'd offer Voracek + Meszy at most. We aren't moving Couts or Schenn, hence the OS in the 1st place.

And they made asses of themselves last year when the offered Weber 4.5 mill in arbitration.
- robin_steele264

Yup.

After reading Weber's comments, its clear that the reason it didn't get done has nothing to do with "nashville" not getting the long term deal done. Its a lot of money on the surface, but its more about finding a way to screw his current employer to get out. If this whole episode tells you anything, its that Weber wants out. Bottom line.
- Lohaus

anyone not associated with nashville will agree with that. its obvious he wants no part in staying there. if he did, when he got the offer sheet from the flyers, he would have gone to poile and said hey, im about to sign this. match it or get close and ill sign yours and we won't need to worry about anything. he didn't do that apparently...says a lot.

Nash should just match the offer. Bite the bullet for one year, then pursue a trade the following year. When they finally get around to trading him, they should get the package they want, plus ask for an additional 10mil in cash as well. The only downside is the big cash outlay......but hey, borrowing is practically free these days. I'm sure the ownership is made up of big buck guys that can afford to wait a year and a half to recoup his cash.

Of course.... I don't know if the CBA contains anything to prevent large payments of cash....

So what do flyers think is fair in a trade. B schenn/coutourier, Reed, and mezaros?
- Bieksa#3

for a signed Weber more than most franchise are willing to give up, since you are a cannucks fan how would you feel if Vancouver offered up the sedin twins +++ cause that's what it would take a signed Weber is worth more than a RFA Weber

Good stuff Paul and I think the blog you cite is bang on with logic.

Bettman should step in say 'fugetaboutit' Homer and fine him as well!
- Peter.Tessier

except theres nothing in the rules about front loaded contracts, so logic or not, theres no grounds to void the contract. thats what cba negotiations are for, eh?

Nash should just match the offer. Bite the bullet for one year, then pursue a trade the following year. When they finally get around to trading him, they should get the package they want, plus ask for an additional 10mil in cash as well. The only downside is the big cash outlay......but hey, borrowing is practically free these days. I'm sure the ownership is made up of big buck guys that can afford to wait a year and a half to recoup his cash.

Of course.... I don't know if the CBA contains anything to prevent large payments of cash....
- madmike71

Bite a $27 mill bullet for 1 year of service and then trade him?

Nash should just match the offer. Bite the bullet for one year, then pursue a trade the following year. When they finally get around to trading him, they should get the package they want, plus ask for an additional 10mil in cash as well. The only downside is the big cash outlay......but hey, borrowing is practically free these days. I'm sure the ownership is made up of big buck guys that can afford to wait a year and a half to recoup his cash.

Of course.... I don't know if the CBA contains anything to prevent large payments of cash....
- madmike71

an uninformed penguins fan spouting off junk, no way...

Yes, simply because it's better then rebuilding.
Hold him for a year then auction him off to the other 29 teams.

Beats four late picks.
- Delta-Bravo

If you have the money, invest it and keep your franchise player. Buy, don't 'rent' the player. You will never get the full value of Weber back in any trade. That's what Columbus, Vancouver and Anaheim aren't getting. And after throwing them half out the door, it's hard to convince them to stay.
You can't keep asking these players for a hometown discount and then play hard ball with them and expect them to feel sentimental. Once he went to Arbitration, everyone knew they were going to end up having to pay a lot to keep Shea happy. Just like Philly should have known that once they made an offer to Suter and Parise that Carle & Jagr were gone. If business isn't about trust, it's at least about Security.

Nope. We'd acek + Meszy at most. We aren't moving Couts or Schenn, hence the OS in the 1st place.
- LordStanley88

Actually according to dreger they won't move both. Me and voracek dnt be silly.

for a signed Weber more than most franchise are willing to give up, since you are a cannucks fan how would you feel if Vancouver offered up the sedin twins +++ cause that's what it would take a signed Weber is worth more than a RFA Weber
- flyer186

Actually according to dreger they won't move both. Me and voracek dnt be silly.
- Bieksa#3

I'm telling you Homer won't move either.

anyone not associated with nashville will agree with that. its obvious he wants no part in staying there. if he did, when he got the offer sheet from the flyers, he would have gone to poile and said hey, im about to sign this. match it or get close and ill sign yours and we won't need to worry about anything. he didn't do that apparently...says a lot.
- flyershockey

I think he's probably ok with sticking around if it comes to that. If he really wanted out that badly he'd wait a year until he can call the shots, not sign an offer sheet that could result in him playing out the rest of his career in Nashville.

Anyone know if you can include movement clauses in an offer sheet? I don't see why not but I haven't heard anything about one being included here.