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Bill Meltzer
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Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Jul 3 @ 5:10 AM ET
Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Petty Thoughts, Leier, Eddy
nails
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: thread killer, PA
Joined: 02.05.2007

Jul 3 @ 6:24 AM ET
Morning Bill.

I 100% back the Doan/3rd pair d man approach.
That might take them right up to the cap and then they could have Pronger's LTIR money to work with once the season starts.

I realize they style of play comes into account, but honestly, what would be the difference to signing a 35 year old Doan to 4 years and a 40 year old jagr to 1 year.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jul 3 @ 6:25 AM ET
Provocative.

Do the Flyers really want Parise or Suter? Is it possible that the Flyers concern is the Pens acquiring either player and this has motivated them to push the bidding up and out of sight?

If the Flyers got Parise and took a cap hit of $8m, how do they handle the cap issues and still fill in their defensive needs? Suter is an easier arrangement because of the need for a #1D. No doubt Holmgren has a plan, but from a distance it looks like a high wire financial act.
Daman
Joined: 07.03.2011

Jul 3 @ 6:46 AM ET
GD Tocchet is smart.

As i've been saying, go for Doan. Keep powder dry. Get Weber next year. Or any of the Anaheim guys next year.

Patience.
Ondrej F
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Prague
Joined: 02.17.2010

Jul 3 @ 7:05 AM ET
Bill, these offers, are they sent as "signed", or just a "proposal"? I mean, if the player agree, it's a deal or what?
Flyers2821
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 01.16.2010

Jul 3 @ 7:27 AM ET
At this point... just go get Bobby Ryan.

Read, MAB/Gut and however many firsts it takes.
Pyzik
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Flemington, NJ
Joined: 01.18.2008

Jul 3 @ 7:31 AM ET
I agree with most, pull out the offers for both players. Sign a guy like Doan or Jagr, either let Carle walk, or stick with the initial offer to him. Go out get a good D-man and go after Weber either this season with a trade or next offseason.

This whole "decision" is screwing up Free Agency....1/2 the guys should be signed by now, not hanging in Limbo......
moylander
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jul 3 @ 7:33 AM ET
At this point... just go get Bobby Ryan.

Read, MAB/Gut and however many firsts it takes.

- Flyers2821



Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 3 @ 7:36 AM ET
Morning Bill.

I 100% back the Doan/3rd pair d man approach.
That might take them right up to the cap and then they could have Pronger's LTIR money to work with once the season starts.

I realize they style of play comes into account, but honestly, what would be the difference to signing a 35 year old Doan to 4 years and a 40 year old jagr to 1 year.

- nails


Jagr on a one year deal doesn't count as an over 35 deal that stays on the cap no matter what. The over 35 rule only comes into play on multi year deals.

tangent_man
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey
Joined: 11.28.2007

Jul 3 @ 7:38 AM ET
Jagr on a one year deal doesn't count as an over 35 deal that stays on the cap no matter what. The over 35 rule only comes into play on multi year deals.
- Jsaquella


Shouldn't you be trying to get the hell out of Dixie?
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 3 @ 7:39 AM ET
Provocative.

Do the Flyers really want Parise or Suter? Is it possible that the Flyers concern is the Pens acquiring either player and this has motivated them to push the bidding up and out of sight?

If the Flyers got Parise and took a cap hit of $8m, how do they handle the cap issues and still fill in their defensive needs? Suter is an easier arrangement because of the need for a #1D. No doubt Holmgren has a plan, but from a distance it looks like a high wire financial act.

- spatso


If they added Parise, I think they'd trade a forward for defensive help.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 3 @ 7:39 AM ET
Shouldn't you be trying to get the hell out of Dixie?
- tangent_man


Nope. It's lovely here.


Hey, where's that banjo music coming from?
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jul 3 @ 7:40 AM ET
I agree with most, pull out the offers for both players. Sign a guy like Doan or Jagr, either let Carle walk, or stick with the initial offer to him. Go out get a good D-man and go after Weber either this season with a trade or next offseason.

This whole "decision" is screwing up Free Agency....1/2 the guys should be signed by now, not hanging in Limbo......

- Pyzik


But, if Suter walks, the speculation is that Weber is put on the market the next day. Nashville will not be stung twice. The assumption has to be that Weber is prepared to sign the big deal this year. The new CBA will likely place some limits on contract length and this year is Weber's chance to cash in. You know that Nashville has to offer him the equivalent of Suter's deal, or more.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 3 @ 7:41 AM ET
I agree with most, pull out the offers for both players. Sign a guy like Doan or Jagr, either let Carle walk, or stick with the initial offer to him. Go out get a good D-man and go after Weber either this season with a trade or next offseason.

This whole "decision" is screwing up Free Agency....1/2 the guys should be signed by now, not hanging in Limbo......

- Pyzik


Doan won;t sign before the 7th or 8th, and guys like Carle likely won't until the Suter ball drops.
tangent_man
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey
Joined: 11.28.2007

Jul 3 @ 7:41 AM ET
Nope. It's lovely here.


Hey, where's that banjo music coming from?

- Jsaquella


Be on the lookout for blind albinos.

Or Steve Martin.
edmac812
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dry Island, PA
Joined: 12.31.2006

Jul 3 @ 7:43 AM ET
5 am? Really?
tangent_man
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey
Joined: 11.28.2007

Jul 3 @ 7:44 AM ET
Doan won;t sign before the 7th or 8th, and guys like Carle likely won't until the Suter ball drops.
- Jsaquella


Yeah, Doan's waiting to see if the Coyotes will stay in PHO. If Jamison takes over and has enough support, Doan could stay put.
Pyzik
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Flemington, NJ
Joined: 01.18.2008

Jul 3 @ 7:49 AM ET
But, if Suter walks, the speculation is that Weber is put on the market the next day. Nashville will not be stung twice. The assumption has to be that Weber is prepared to sign the big deal this year. The new CBA will likely place some limits on contract length and this year is Weber's chance to cash in. You know that Nashville has to offer him the equivalent of Suter's deal, or more.
- spatso


Thats why I say put together a package for Weber now...have it on the table, lets be honest Suter is walking.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jul 3 @ 7:49 AM ET
If they added Parise, I think they'd trade a forward for defensive help.
- Jsaquella


Understand. They would have to move some big bucks as well from this year's cap hit. I don't doubt they have it figured out. But, the second part of the operation might be larger than the a big time free agent signing (Parise).
murdoch
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Phil a del phia, PA
Joined: 09.18.2006

Jul 3 @ 7:55 AM ET
parise had 69 points last season. granted, he had the ACL injury the year before, but was still a -5 this season. playoffs, 8 goals 7 assists -8 in 24 playoffs games. good, but hardly great.

these contract offers are a joke.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jul 3 @ 7:57 AM ET
Doan won;t sign before the 7th or 8th, and guys like Carle likely won't until the Suter ball drops.
- Jsaquella

Doan said he'd sign the 9th at the earliest, which means as long as coyotes ownership is straightened out I see him as wanting to stay there.

Should we not land Parise I look to the trade route I'm not impressed with the UFA wingers out there.
Flyers2821
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 01.16.2010

Jul 3 @ 8:02 AM ET
As soon as the word comes down on Suter and Parise, assuming it is not Philly, the Flyers will make a trade for Bobby Ryan within the hour.

Bobby Ryan will be a Flyer to start the season.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jul 3 @ 8:04 AM ET
Thats why I say put together a package for Weber now...have it on the table, lets be honest Suter is walking.
- Pyzik

Why trade for Weber? Look at this market... There's no chance he doesn't test free agency. I don't care who trades for him, he's not signing with anyone before July 1st 2013 in my opinion.

Let's just focus on having a solid young team put together come then and convince him why Philly is the best choice for him. If this core stays intact that won't be hard.
moylander
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jul 3 @ 8:10 AM ET
As soon as the word comes down on Suter and Parise, assuming it is not Philly, the Flyers will make a trade for Bobby Ryan within the hour.

Bobby Ryan will be a Flyer to start the season.

- Flyers2821



77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed...
Joined: 09.12.2006

Jul 3 @ 8:23 AM ET
parise had 69 points last season. granted, he had the ACL injury the year before, but was still a -5 this season. playoffs, 8 goals 7 assists -8 in 24 playoffs games. good, but hardly great.

these contract offers are a joke.

- murdoch


Suter 2012 PO stats: 10 Games, 1G, 3A, -5.
Career PO stats: 39 Games, 4G, 9A, -4.

Not exactly what I'd call stepping up.
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