Third in goals per game, not quite leading the league, but I guess close enough for you to save some face after your earlier blunder.
- Doppleganger

Sorry, but your post didnt mention the per game part, just leading the league

And yes, I own up to my mistakes... do you?

Sorry, but your post didnt mention the per game part, just leading the league

And yes, I own up to my mistakes... do you?
- mfreedman

All the time. Ask my wife.

The Sens are still the bottom feeding crap of the division. the Leafs? Miles and miles better.
- prock

14th overall, toronto after 27 games - 15 wins, 12 loses, 32 points for a .593 P%

18th overall, Ottawa after 27 games - 13 wins, 14 loses, 29 points for a .537 P%

"Miles and miles" for sure, with 1 third of the season done.

14th overall, toronto after 27 games - 15 wins, 12 loses, 32 points for a .593 P%

18th overall, Ottawa after 27 games - 13 wins, 14 loses, 29 points for a .537 P%

"Miles and miles" for sure, with 1 third of the season done.
- Doppleganger

Not trying to rain on anyones parade as the Sens are doing just fine for where they should have been, but at the end of the season, with the current stats, here is the final prediction balanced out to 82 games:

Toronto: 97 pts (6th place last year in East - 14th overall)
Ottawa: 88 pts (10th place last year in East - 21st overall)

A significant difference there, but like I said, much better than people would have predicted for the Sens.

Not trying to rain on anyones parade as the Sens are doing just fine for where they should have been, but at the end of the season, with the current stats, here is the final prediction balanced out to 82 games:

Toronto: 97 pts (6th place last year in East - 14th overall)
Ottawa: 88 pts (10th place last year in East - 21st overall)

A significant difference there, but like I said, much better than people would have predicted for the Sens.
- mfreedman

Not according to

http://www.hockeybuzz.com...hp?thread_id=92626&page=2

Not according to

http://www.hockeybuzz.com...hp?thread_id=92626&page=2
- Doppleganger

I don't understand the point of this link...?

I don't understand the point of this link...?
- mfreedman

scroll down to the Monday @ 11:44 AM ET post.

scroll down to the Monday @ 11:44 AM ET post.
- Doppleganger

All I did was take the points per game and extend it to an 82 game season.

I don't care about hockey predictor sites, I was just talking about current predictors.

If those sites were accurate, then their 'odds of making the playoffs' wouldn't change on a daily basis.

All I did was take the points per game and extend it to an 82 game season.

I don't care about hockey predictor sites, I was just talking about current predictors.

If those sites were accurate, then their 'odds of making the playoffs' wouldn't change on a daily basis.
- mfreedman

He's using outdated stats anyway. Shocking he couldn't figure out that between yesterday morning and today, projections would change, given the Leafs played last night.

He's using outdated stats anyway. Shocking he couldn't figure out that between yesterday morning and today, projections would change, given the Leafs played last night.
- prock

His stats are NOT outdated when he posts them. The day after and when games have been played, of course they've changed, that's not to hard to understand.

I think all "He's" (Sharks_12 ) doing is multiplying the current number of points by the current P% at the time he updates his chart. And then he throws in the SCS odds at the same time.

He's doing this every Monday, so pick away at it if you want, but anyone can just go to the SCS website and see the changes in odds (plus or minus) after each game.

His stats are NOT outdated when he posts them. The day after and when games have been played, of course they've changed, that's not to hard to understand.

I think all "He's" (Sharks_12 ) doing is multiplying the current number of points by the current P% at the time he updates his chart. And then he throws in the SCS odds at the same time.

He's doing this every Monday, so pick away at it if you want, but anyone can just go to the SCS website and see the changes in odds (plus or minus) after each game.
- Doppleganger

So?

Not trying to rain on anyones parade as the Sens are doing just fine for where they should have been, but at the end of the season, with the current stats, here is the final prediction balanced out to 82 games:

- mfreedman

and you respond with this?

Not according to

http://www.hockeybuzz.com...hp?thread_id=92626&page=2
- Doppleganger

does it need to be pointed out to you that what mfreedman posted was current? And the link you provided was not?

So?



and you respond with this?



does it need to be pointed out to you that what mfreedman posted was current? And the link you provided was not?
- prock

Well I take issue with assertion of a "Final prediction". No one here in these forums have what it takes to give a"Final prediction". Not even you (Miles and miles).

1st overall - BOSTON .703 P%
15th overall - BUFFALO .547 P%
17th overall - toronto .545 P%
21st overall - OTTAWA .515 P%
24th overall - MONTREAL .485 P%

So let's see:

NOV 4
Toronto .731 (4th overall) 82.7% chance of making playoffs
Buffalo .545 (16th overall) 68.8% chance of making playoffs
Ottawa .538 (18th overall) 28.5% chance of making playoffs
Montreal .455 (27th overall) 42.3% chance of making playoffs
Boston .364 (29th overall) 27.1% chance of making playoffs

NOV 7
Toronto .679 (5th overall) 64.8% chance of making playoffs
Buffalo .615 (11th overall) 76.2% chance of making playoffs
Ottawa .500 (21st overall) 18.8% chance of making playoffs
Montreal .462 (26th overall) 37.8% chance of making playoffs
Boston .417(29th overall) 46.2% chance of making playoffs

NOV 21
Boston .611--90.7% chance of making playoffs
Buffalo .600--68.8% chance of making playoffs
Toronto .571--37.7% chance of making playoffs
Montreal .525--57.5% chance of making playoffs
Ottawa .524-- 23.6% chance of making playoffs

Today:
BOSTON .703 P%
BUFFALO .547 P%
TORONTO .545 P%
OTTAWA .515 P%
MONTREAL .485 P%

Why do you read these stats again? They are clearly useless.

So let's see:

NOV 4
Toronto .731 (4th overall) 82.7% chance of making playoffs
Buffalo .545 (16th overall) 68.8% chance of making playoffs
Ottawa .538 (18th overall) 28.5% chance of making playoffs
Montreal .455 (27th overall) 42.3% chance of making playoffs
Boston .364 (29th overall) 27.1% chance of making playoffs

NOV 7
Toronto .679 (5th overall) 64.8% chance of making playoffs
Buffalo .615 (11th overall) 76.2% chance of making playoffs
Ottawa .500 (21st overall) 18.8% chance of making playoffs
Montreal .462 (26th overall) 37.8% chance of making playoffs
Boston .417(29th overall) 46.2% chance of making playoffs

NOV 21
Boston .611--90.7% chance of making playoffs
Buffalo .600--68.8% chance of making playoffs
Toronto .571--37.7% chance of making playoffs
Montreal .525--57.5% chance of making playoffs
Ottawa .524-- 23.6% chance of making playoffs

Today:
BOSTON .703 P%
BUFFALO .547 P%
TORONTO .545 P%
OTTAWA .515 P%
MONTREAL .485 P%

Why do you read these stats again? They are clearly useless.
- mfreedman

I like to see the "trends" of the teams in North East Division, and see how accurate or inaccurate, mine, and others predictions (at the beginning of this thread) were.

I see Ottawa battling to stay out of the basement, and see toronto & Buffalo, slipping ever so slowly down to join the Habs and the Senators in the lower half of the NHL.

Ill say what i said at the start of the year Montreal,Toronto and Ottawa will finish within a few points of one another,with no team having any real edge.All of these teams pretty much average mid to bottom tier teams with nothing really special about them

Ill say what i said at the start of the year Montreal,Toronto and Ottawa will finish within a few points of one another,with no team having any real edge.All of these teams pretty much average mid to bottom tier teams with nothing really special about them
- top shelf 15

I did not see Montreal being as bad as they are, because of their playoff run last spring. They have only won 5 games at home so far, and this used to be one of their strengths.

I think now that teams (and players) have seen Reimer enough times now, they are writing the "book" on him and where his strengths and weaknesses are. If I remember correctly, but I think I heard that all goals LA scored on him were high glove side.

I knew Ottawa was not as bad as the "experts" were saying (15th) but did not expect them to be flirting with a playoff spot. Still do not see them making the playoffs.

I did not see Montreal being as bad as they are, because of their playoff run last spring. They have only won 5 games at home so far, and this used to be one of their strengths.

I think now that teams (and players) have seen Reimer enough times now, they are writing the "book" on him and where his strengths and weaknesses are. If I remember correctly, but I think I heard that all goals LA scored on him were high glove side.

I knew Ottawa was not as bad as the "experts" were saying (15th) but did not expect them to be flirting with a playoff spot. Still do not see them making the playoffs.
- Doppleganger

All three are a modest win streak or losing streak within squeaking into the playoffs or missing them,The duct tape holding montreal in the hunt in years past has started to split .They need to bring some more youth to that lineup the vets just arent cutting it anymore

I think now that teams (and players) have seen Reimer enough times now, they are writing the "book" on him and where his strengths and weaknesses are. If I remember correctly, but I think I heard that all goals LA scored on him were high glove side..
- Doppleganger

You mean the two goals. Yeah both high glove side both within 8 feet of the net. One from a weird bounce. I would say point blank shots off weird bounces would solve just about any goalie in the league.

Its funny, he plays well to start the year, gets a concussion, has a handful of bad games, seems to be returning to form, stands on his head against los angeles, and you conclude the league has figured him out because both of LAs lucky goals were point blank high glove side, in a game where he made 40 saves and was the games second star .

Maybe he just had a few rough games because he was getting back to game shape?

You mean the two goals. Yeah both high glove side both within 8 feet of the net. One from a weird bounce. I would say point blank shots off weird bounces would solve just about any goalie in the league.

Its funny, he plays well to start the year, gets a concussion, has a handful of bad games, seems to be returning to form, stands on his head against los angeles, and you conclude the league has figured him out because both of LAs lucky goals were point blank high glove side, in a game where he made 40 saves and was the games second star .

Maybe he just had a few rough games because he was getting back to game shape?
- prock

Stop twisting my words around.

I said "I heard" (on the Radio) that now that he's been through the league now, there is now a "book" on his tendencies, weaknesses and strengths.

This happens to ALL rookie goaltenders when they enter the league. San you say Jim Carrey?

I heard that all THREE goals (LA 3 leafs 2 SO) were scored high glove-side............as the commentator "I heard" say on the radio, when discussing Reimer's performance of late.

check all THREE goals out for yourself. ALL High Gloveside.
http://video.mapleleafs.n...onsole?hlg=20072008,2,650

DO THE SENS STILL MEASURE UP WELL IN THE PROVINCE?
- prock

Yes.

The Sens are still the bottom feeding crap of the division. the Leafs? Miles and miles better.
- prock

To the original point, it would take an enormous disaster for any team in the NE to finish behind the Sens. Don't stress it, you'll get another good pick.
- prock

So overall, Toronto has the better overall team with better players, and only a slightly worse goaltender, but by no means a bad one.
- mfreedman

The sens don't measure up with anyone. They'll be fifth barring a disaster of epic proportions by another team. They're the worst in the division at every position.
- prock

The Sens as a whole are a basement dwelling team that don't measure up to anyone in the division.

You're going to have to set your sites lower and look outside the division. Maybe Florida?
- prock

.Every player has good and bad years ,ottawa,s top 6 could have three 30 goal men in spezza ,alfie and michalek say 20 from butler and foligno.

Add to that some decent goaltending and what looks to be a much better defense up and coming we can be just as good as the leafs maybe even better.How about we play the season and revisit this subjet later
- top shelf 15

One game past the halfway point, good time to re-visit.

Spezza on track for 30 goals
Michalek on track for 40 goals
Alfredsson on track for 28 goals

So your prediction for those three is pretty close.

Foligno is on track for 24 goals
Butler is on track for 8 goals

Pretty close with Foligno, Butler not so much.
However Zack Smith is also on track to 24 goals, so that kinda makes up for the lower goal production for the "top six" when you include Butler in that mix.

You did not mention the potential goal production from the defense, so their collective 17 goals is probably about what you would have expected.

Add to this Craig Anderson's 20 wins (tied for second in NHL) and your prediction that the Senators would be just as good as the leafs maybe even better, is looking like you called it.

Wow, I did not mention how Karlsson has been playing.



NOV 4
toronto .731 (4th overall) 82.7% chance of making playoffs
Buffalo .545 (16th overall) 68.8% chance of making playoffs
Ottawa .538 (18th overall) 28.5% chance of making playoffs
Montreal .455 (27th overall) 42.3% chance of making playoffs
Boston .364 (29th overall) 27.1% chance of making playoffs


JAN 9
Boston .697 (2nd overall)100.0% chance of making playoffs ▲▲▲
Ottawa .581(13th overall) 56.8% chance of making playoffs▲▲
toronto .573 (15th overall) 72.6% chance of making playoffs▼▼▼
Buffalo .500 (23rd overall) 8.3% chance of making playoffs▼▼
Montreal .476 (24th overall) 20.8% chance of making playoffs▼

- Doppleganger

Last time I checked, the season was 82 games long

Last time I checked, the season was 82 games long
- mfreedman

The thing about this entire "debate" is that my opinions were in line with those of the Leafs fans - I expected us to be horrible again this year. I knew we had a few of our Bingo lads coming up with their Calder Cup rings, but I didn't think our younger guys would fit in as well as they had.

So here we are at the half-way marker and we're holding tenuously to a playoff position (yes, 5th, almost 4th, but not that many points ahead of 9th, especially with games-played taken into account) - I STILL don't have confidence that we'll make the playoffs, but I'll be overjoyed if we do.

Question - how much of our early-season success could be attributed to the fact that teams had been overlooking us? Most were probably looking at us as points in the bank...