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bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Apr 17 @ 12:21 PM ET
2.5? 2.75?
- OrangeBlack27


in the same ballpark
OrangeBlack27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i do, mike, PA
Joined: 06.29.2006

Apr 17 @ 12:23 PM ET
Are you talking about Corsi?

Because if so, Gardiner's got one of the highest Relative Corsi numbers in the league... and he downright sucks.

MacArthur has benefitted from playing with better linemates. When he had 60 points, both his linemates were 30 goalscorers.

This year, he's only put up decent numbers when playing with Kadri, who, until recently, was leading the team in points.

Defensively, the guy isn't bad... but he doesn't do too much either. Certainly no McClemment or Kulemin.

He's currently making 3.25. He won't be looking to take a cut.

- Feeling Glucky?


lol k we'll take gardiner off your hands, bud
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Apr 17 @ 12:24 PM ET
Are you talking about Corsi?

Because if so, Gardiner's got one of the highest Relative Corsi numbers in the league... and he downright sucks.

MacArthur has benefitted from playing with better linemates. When he had 60 points, both his linemates were 30 goalscorers.

This year, he's only put up decent numbers when playing with Kadri, who, until recently, was leading the team in points.

Defensively, the guy isn't bad... but he doesn't do too much either. Certainly no McClemment or Kulemin.

He's currently making 3.25. He won't be looking to take a cut.

- Feeling Glucky?


Corsi ratings aren't very useful when examining defensemen, imo.

MacArthur's WOWY's are very good and I think he has the best Corsi rating of all the forwards on the team (not named Nazem). He's the reason his lines are doing "well", not the other way around.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Apr 17 @ 12:25 PM ET
Corsi ratings aren't very useful when examining defensemen, imo.

MacArthur's WOWY's are very good and I think he has the best Corsi rating of all the forwards on the team (not named Nazem). He's the reason his lines are doing "well", not the other way around.

- bradleyc4

If you say so.
OrangeBlack27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i do, mike, PA
Joined: 06.29.2006

Apr 17 @ 12:25 PM ET
Corsi ratings aren't very useful when examining defensemen, imo.

MacArthur's WOWY's are very good and I think he has the best Corsi rating of all the forwards on the team (not named Nazem). He's the reason his lines are doing "well", not the other way around.

- bradleyc4


guys that are typically regarded as the best dmen end up having pretty strong underlying numbers, but it's really difficult to quantify contributions of strong defensive dmen who are thrown to the wolves every night.
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Apr 17 @ 12:26 PM ET
/waits for "WOWY" backlash
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Apr 17 @ 12:27 PM ET
Corsi ratings aren't very useful when examining defensemen, imo.

MacArthur's WOWY's are very good and I think he has the best Corsi rating of all the forwards on the team (not named Nazem). He's the reason his lines are doing "well", not the other way around.

- bradleyc4


Translation:

Corsi numbers are a great measuring stick, so long as they support the argument that I'm trying to win.
OrangeBlack27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i do, mike, PA
Joined: 06.29.2006

Apr 17 @ 12:28 PM ET
http://www.broadstreethoc...tats-flyers-groundhog-day
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Apr 17 @ 12:29 PM ET
guys that are typically regarded as the best dmen end up having pretty strong underlying numbers, but it's really difficult to quantify contributions of strong defensive dmen who are thrown to the wolves every night.
- OrangeBlack27


i'm not sold that shot-based metrics are great ways to evaluate players that don't take nearly as many shots (as forwards).

remains to be seen. maybe there's just some outliers (Phaneuf, Bouwmeester) that are throwing things off.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Apr 17 @ 12:30 PM ET
/waits for "WOWY" backlash
- bradleyc4

Just looked it up. Saw a hockeyanalysis.com link. Went there. First article is talking about how Jay McClemment is one of the worst NHLers.


Done.
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Apr 17 @ 12:30 PM ET
Translation:

Corsi numbers are a great measuring stick, so long as they support the argument that I'm trying to win.

- Pecafan Fan


We both acknowledge that MacArthur has good Corsi numbers, just different reasons for why.

Surprised you didn't drop a "I need more context" line on me.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Apr 17 @ 12:30 PM ET
Translation:

Corsi numbers are a great measuring stick, so long as they support the argument that I'm trying to win.

- Pecafan Fan

OrangeBlack27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i do, mike, PA
Joined: 06.29.2006

Apr 17 @ 12:31 PM ET
i'm not sold that shot-based metrics are great ways to evaluate players that don't take nearly as many shots (as forwards).

remains to be seen. maybe there's just some outliers (Phaneuf, Bouwmeester) that are throwing things off.

- bradleyc4


i get what you're saying re: shot-based metrics, but dmen's job is also to prevent shots so i think they're still useful, but don't paint the whole picture.

i'd love some zone exit numbers. get a feel for % of a time a dman successfully clears the zone on his touches.
OrangeBlack27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i do, mike, PA
Joined: 06.29.2006

Apr 17 @ 12:33 PM ET
Just looked it up. Saw a hockeyanalysis.com link. Went there. First article is talking about how Jay McClemment is one of the worst NHLers.


Done.

- Feeling Glucky?


good stuff, grapes.
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Apr 17 @ 12:33 PM ET
Just looked it up. Saw a hockeyanalysis.com link. Went there. First article is talking about how Jay McClemment is one of the worst NHLers.


Done.

- Feeling Glucky?


Not surprised that you made a snap judgement after 18 seconds of viewing.
sanfordnson
Edmonton Oilers
Location: BiggButtz
Joined: 03.11.2010

Apr 17 @ 12:34 PM ET
Gardiner downright sucks.


- Feeling Glucky?

Lolz. I remember laffing Leafers not trading him for Hall last year.

I also remember the Oilers being in the playoff hunt. What a great 5 games that was.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Apr 17 @ 12:35 PM ET
Lolz. I remember laffing Leafers not trading him for Hall last year.

I also remember the Oilers being in the playoff hunt. What a great 5 games that was.

- sanfordnson

I really like Gardiner, don't get me wrong. He's having an awful season.
kicksave856
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i love how not saying dumb things on the internet was never an option.
Joined: 09.29.2005

Apr 17 @ 12:37 PM ET
Not surprised that you made a snap judgement after 18 seconds of viewing.
- bradleyc4

sanfordnson
Edmonton Oilers
Location: BiggButtz
Joined: 03.11.2010

Apr 17 @ 12:38 PM ET
I really like Gardiner, don't get me wrong. He's having an awful season.
- Feeling Glucky?

Maybe like JSchultz, he was just overhyped by his fanbase.
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Apr 17 @ 12:40 PM ET
Maybe like JSchultz, he was just overhyped by his fanbase.
- sanfordnson


That's impossible.
sanfordnson
Edmonton Oilers
Location: BiggButtz
Joined: 03.11.2010

Apr 17 @ 12:41 PM ET
That's impossible.
- Pecafan Fan

Good point.

Gardiner for Norris. Schultz for Calder.
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Apr 17 @ 12:44 PM ET
Good point.

Gardiner for Norris. Schultz for Calder.

- sanfordnson


Now you're talking.


Also, Price for Vezina.
OrangeBlack27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i do, mike, PA
Joined: 06.29.2006

Apr 17 @ 12:45 PM ET
good god san filippo is retarded
watsonnostaw
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Dude has all the personality of a lump of concrete. Just a complete lizard.
Joined: 06.26.2006

Apr 17 @ 12:45 PM ET
yep, bros before hos.
- BringBack25

if you like bros sucking your Richard....
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Apr 17 @ 12:45 PM ET
Maybe like JSchultz, he was just overhyped by his fanbase.
- sanfordnson


Oh, no doubt. I was saying that all last year, and apparently that was just because I was a "Schenn lover".

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4336, 4337, 4338, 4339, 4340, 4341, 4342, 4343, 4344, 4345, 4346, 4347, 4348, 4349, 4350, 4351, 4352, 4353, 4354, 4355, 4356, 4357, 4358, 4359, 4360, 4361, 4362, 4363, 4364, 4365, 4366, 4367, 4368, 4369, 4370, 4371, 4372, 4373, 4374, 4375, 4376, 4377, 4378, 4379, 4380, 4381, 4382, 4383, 4384, 4385, 4386, 4387, 4388, 4389, 4390, 4391, 4392, 4393, 4394, 4395, 4396, 4397, 4398, 4399, 4400, 4401, 4402, 4403, 4404, 4405, 4406, 4407, 4408, 4409, 4410, 4411, 4412, 4413, 4414, 4415, 4416, 4417, 4418, 4419, 4420, 4421, 4422, 4423, 4424, 4425, 4426, 4427, 4428, 4429, 4430, 4431, 4432, 4433, 4434, 4435, 4436, 4437, 4438, 4439, 4440, 4441, 4442, 4443, 4444, 4445, 4446, 4447, 4448, 4449, 4450, 4451, 4452, 4453, 4454, 4455, 4456, 4457, 4458, 4459, 4460, 4461, 4462, 4463, 4464, 4465, 4466, 4467, 4468, 4469, 4470, 4471, 4472, 4473, 4474, 4475, 4476, 4477, 4478, 4479, 4480, 4481, 4482, 4483, 4484, 4485, 4486, 4487, 4488, 4489, 4490, 4491, 4492, 4493, 4494, 4495, 4496, 4497, 4498, 4499, 4500, 4501, 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4668, 4669, 4670, 4671, 4672, 4673, 4674, 4675, 4676, 4677, 4678, 4679, 4680, 4681, 4682, 4683, 4684, 4685, 4686, 4687, 4688, 4689, 4690, 4691, 4692, 4693, 4694, 4695, 4696, 4697, 4698, 4699, 4700, 4701, 4702, 4703, 4704, 4705, 4706, 4707, 4708, 4709, 4710, 4711, 4712, 4713, 4714, 4715, 4716, 4717, 4718, 4719, 4720, 4721, 4722, 4723, 4724, 4725, 4726, 4727, 4728, 4729, 4730, 4731, 4732, 4733, 4734, 4735, 4736, 4737, 4738, 4739, 4740, 4741, 4742, 4743, 4744, 4745, 4746, 4747, 4748, 4749, 4750, 4751, 4752, 4753, 4754, 4755, 4756, 4757, 4758, 4759, 4760, 4761, 4762, 4763, 4764, 4765, 4766, 4767, 4768, 4769, 4770, 4771, 4772, 4773, 4774, 4775, 4776, 4777, 4778, 4779, 4780, 4781, 4782, 4783, 4784, 4785, 4786, 4787, 4788, 4789, 4790, 4791, 4792, 4793, 4794, 4795, 4796, 4797, 4798, 4799, 4800, 4801, 4802, 4803, 4804, 4805, 4806, 4807, 4808, 4809, 4810, 4811, 4812, 4813, 4814, 4815, 4816, 4817, 4818, 4819, 4820, 4821, 4822, 4823, 4824, 4825, 4826, 4827, 4828, 4829, 4830, 4831, 4832, 4833, 4834, 4835, 4836, 4837, 4838, 4839, 4840, 4841, 4842, 4843, 4844, 4845, 4846, 4847, 4848, 4849, 4850, 4851, 4852, 4853, 4854, 4855, 4856, 4857, 4858, 4859, 4860, 4861, 4862, 4863, 4864, 4865, 4866, 4867, 4868, 4869, 4870, 4871, 4872, 4873, 4874, 4875, 4876, 4877, 4878, 4879, 4880, 4881, 4882, 4883, 4884, 4885, 4886, 4887, 4888, 4889, 4890, 4891, 4892, 4893, 4894, 4895, 4896, 4897, 4898, 4899, 4900, 4901, 4902, 4903, 4904, 4905, 4906, 4907, 4908, 4909, 4910, 4911, 4912, 4913, 4914, 4915, 4916, 4917, 4918, 4919, 4920, 4921, 4922, 4923, 4924, 4925, 4926, 4927, 4928, 4929, 4930, 4931, 4932, 4933, 4934, 4935, 4936, 4937, 4938, 4939, 4940, 4941, 4942, 4943, 4944, 4945, 4946, 4947, 4948, 4949, 4950, 4951, 4952, 4953, 4954, 4955, 4956, 4957, 4958, 4959, 4960, 4961, 4962, 4963, 4964, 4965, 4966, 4967, 4968, 4969, 4970, 4971, 4972, 4973, 4974, 4975, 4976, 4977, 4978, 4979, 4980, 4981, 4982, 4983, 4984, 4985, 4986, 4987, 4988, 4989, 4990, 4991, 4992, 4993, 4994, 4995, 4996, 4997, 4998, 4999, 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5166, 5167, 5168, 5169, 5170, 5171, 5172, 5173, 5174, 5175, 5176, 5177, 5178, 5179, 5180, 5181, 5182, 5183, 5184, 5185, 5186, 5187, 5188, 5189, 5190, 5191, 5192, 5193, 5194, 5195, 5196, 5197, 5198, 5199, 5200, 5201, 5202, 5203, 5204, 5205, 5206, 5207, 5208, 5209, 5210, 5211, 5212, 5213, 5214, 5215, 5216, 5217, 5218, 5219, 5220, 5221, 5222, 5223, 5224, 5225, 5226, 5227, 5228, 5229, 5230, 5231, 5232, 5233, 5234, 5235, 5236, 5237, 5238, 5239, 5240, 5241, 5242, 5243, 5244, 5245, 5246, 5247, 5248, 5249, 5250, 5251, 5252, 5253, 5254, 5255, 5256, 5257, 5258, 5259, 5260, 5261, 5262, 5263, 5264, 5265, 5266, 5267, 5268, 5269, 5270, 5271, 5272, 5273, 5274, 5275, 5276, 5277, 5278, 5279, 5280, 5281, 5282, 5283, 5284, 5285, 5286, 5287, 5288, 5289, 5290, 5291, 5292, 5293, 5294, 5295, 5296, 5297, 5298, 5299, 5300, 5301, 5302, 5303, 5304, 5305, 5306, 5307, 5308, 5309, 5310, 5311, 5312, 5313, 5314, 5315, 5316, 5317, 5318, 5319, 5320, 5321, 5322, 5323, 5324, 5325, 5326, 5327, 5328, 5329, 5330, 5331, 5332, 5333, 5334, 5335, 5336, 5337, 5338, 5339, 5340, 5341, 5342, 5343, 5344, 5345, 5346, 5347, 5348, 5349, 5350, 5351, 5352, 5353, 5354, 5355, 5356, 5357, 5358, 5359, 5360, 5361, 5362, 5363, 5364, 5365, 5366, 5367, 5368, 5369, 5370, 5371, 5372, 5373, 5374, 5375, 5376, 5377, 5378, 5379, 5380, 5381, 5382, 5383, 5384, 5385, 5386, 5387, 5388, 5389, 5390, 5391, 5392, 5393, 5394, 5395, 5396, 5397, 5398, 5399, 5400, 5401, 5402, 5403, 5404, 5405, 5406, 5407, 5408, 5409, 5410, 5411, 5412, 5413, 5414, 5415, 5416, 5417, 5418, 5419, 5420, 5421, 5422, 5423, 5424, 5425, 5426, 5427, 5428, 5429, 5430, 5431, 5432, 5433, 5434, 5435, 5436, 5437, 5438, 5439, 5440, 5441, 5442, 5443, 5444, 5445, 5446, 5447, 5448, 5449, 5450, 5451, 5452, 5453, 5454, 5455, 5456, 5457, 5458, 5459, 5460, 5461, 5462, 5463, 5464, 5465, 5466, 5467, 5468, 5469, 5470, 5471, 5472, 5473, 5474, 5475, 5476, 5477, 5478, 5479, 5480, 5481, 5482, 5483, 5484, 5485, 5486, 5487, 5488, 5489, 5490, 5491, 5492, 5493, 5494, 5495, 5496, 5497, 5498, 5499, 5500, 5501, 5502, 5503, 5504, 5505, 5506, 5507, 5508, 5509, 5510, 5511, 5512, 5513, 5514, 5515, 5516, 5517, 5518, 5519, 5520, 5521, 5522, 5523, 5524, 5525, 5526, 5527, 5528, 5529, 5530, 5531, 5532, 5533, 5534, 5535, 5536, 5537, 5538, 5539, 5540  Next