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D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Sep 22 @ 9:41 AM ET







Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Sep 22 @ 9:42 AM ET
You better slow down that bus.

Lamerello already lost a 1st round pick for cheating.

Bettman slapped him really hard for trying to circumvent the cap through a questionable contract move.

- spatso

And then got it back.
bixll
Location: New Glasgow, NS
Joined: 09.04.2008

Sep 22 @ 9:43 AM ET
You better slow down that bus.

Lamerello already lost a 1st round pick for cheating.

Bettman slapped him really hard for trying to circumvent the cap through a questionable contract move.

- spatso



That was the past.. You should live for today, not yesterday.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: degenerate gamblers like yourself usually end up getting the big payoff. just keep at it.
Joined: 06.30.2006

Sep 22 @ 9:45 AM ET
I am not saying Lamerello did anything wrong. I think he may have just been the wrong guy in the wrong place and after the Hossa situation nobody could avoid the Lupul comments.

I think it all gets settled in back rooms. But, the idea that Hossa or any other player can walk away from the last few years of a contract due to questionable injury claims is coming to an end.

- spatso


You mean like MacArthur?

Don't tell me the Sens didn't dodge a bullet there with the contracts they have coming up in the next 2 years.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Sep 22 @ 9:46 AM ET
But NJ didnt end up losing it.

that was fishy from the start when NJ chose not to give up the 29th pick since there was no chance it would be lower.

Lou has been caught a few times for poop..Leaf fans make him out to be some wizard..but he doesnt get away with poop all the time

- senstroll


More of a klutz than wizard. Cheating is part of the game plan. But as they say in baseball, "if your not cheating your not trying,"

In handing down what might be his harshest penalty for a team salary-cap violation, commissioner Gary Bettman forced New Jersey to forfeit a first-round pick sometime over the next four years and a third-round pick next year.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: degenerate gamblers like yourself usually end up getting the big payoff. just keep at it.
Joined: 06.30.2006

Sep 22 @ 9:47 AM ET
He was cleared in the Spring, from his concussion injury.

He sustained a neck injury in the playoffs, and from what I've heard this is why he failed his medical.


The difference here, is that the Sens want MacArthur to play, the leafs don't want Lupul to play ............. the Senators are not over the Cap, the leafs are (currently) 4 million over the cap, and if Lupul is cleared to play, that would be a big problem to the leafs, as they would most likely have to shed a player they don't want to.

- D0PPELGANGER


You mean like how Phaneuf is a valued member of the team?
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: degenerate gamblers like yourself usually end up getting the big payoff. just keep at it.
Joined: 06.30.2006

Sep 22 @ 9:48 AM ET
More of a klutz than wizard. Cheating is part of the game plan. But as they say in baseball, "if your cheating your not trying,"

In handing down what might be his harshest penalty for a team salary-cap violation, commissioner Gary Bettman forced New Jersey to forfeit a first-round pick sometime over the next four years and a third-round pick next year.

- spatso


Location-worthy stupidity right there Spazzo.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Sep 22 @ 9:49 AM ET
You mean like how Phaneuf is a valued member of the team?
- Aetherial


Perhaps you should go back and read the previous page of this thread. Everyone is even more concerned with the MacArthur situation than the Lupul situation.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Sep 22 @ 9:50 AM ET
Location-worthy stupidity right there Spazzo.
- Aetherial


previously corrected
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: degenerate gamblers like yourself usually end up getting the big payoff. just keep at it.
Joined: 06.30.2006

Sep 22 @ 9:51 AM ET
Meh - 37 year old Robidas with a bad knee injury isn't a likely comeback story. Horton is done, and everybody knows it.

The Leafs' use of LTIR in the Horton case is sketchy because it's basically a loophole that allowed them to trade cash. If I was the league, I would ban the trading of players on LTIR, and close that loophole off.

- Feeling Glucky?


Absolutely.

This loophole basically defeats the purpose of the cap in the first place by allowing teams to pay cash to shift cap hits... which means teams aren't actually paying similar amounts for talent on the ice.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: degenerate gamblers like yourself usually end up getting the big payoff. just keep at it.
Joined: 06.30.2006

Sep 22 @ 9:54 AM ET
previously corrected
- spatso


My quote would not have captured the original derp if it was "previously corrected".

And you still derped the whole thing up, but I will leave it up to you to figure out the problem. Consider it my contribution to you're ( ) daily growth as a person.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Sep 22 @ 9:54 AM ET
Absolutely.

This loophole basically defeats the purpose of the cap in the first place by allowing teams to pay cash to shift cap hits... which means teams aren't actually paying similar amounts for talent on the ice.

- Aetherial


It just as important the other way when players that are at risk for head trauma (MacArthur) are allowed to play without full regard for the long term consequences.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Sep 22 @ 9:56 AM ET
My quote would not have captured the original derp if it was "previously corrected".

And you still derped the whole thing up, but I will leave it up to you to figure out the problem. Consider it my contribution to you're ( ) daily growth as a person.

- Aetherial


I was creating it concurrent with your posting.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: degenerate gamblers like yourself usually end up getting the big payoff. just keep at it.
Joined: 06.30.2006

Sep 22 @ 9:57 AM ET
The league, and every team in the league has known for years that Robidas island was some sketchy sh1t.

The league is "investigating" now to save face because someone publicly called out the team in the biggest Canadian media market, ... right after some real sketchy stuff happened in Chicago, one of the biggest US media markets.

Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: degenerate gamblers like yourself usually end up getting the big payoff. just keep at it.
Joined: 06.30.2006

Sep 22 @ 9:57 AM ET
I was creating it concurrent with your posting.
- spatso


Good Lord. You know it is still (frank)ed up right?
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Sep 22 @ 9:58 AM ET
I wonder, if the NHL doctor agrees with the Leafs' doctor, if this could just be grounds for the Leafs to release his contract.

I feel like openly calling management cheaters probably breaches some part of the contract, if it's shown to be false.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Sep 22 @ 10:07 AM ET
The league, and every team in the league has known for years that Robidas island was some sketchy sh1t.

The league is "investigating" now to save face because someone publicly called out the team in the biggest Canadian media market, ... right after some real sketchy stuff happened in Chicago, one of the biggest US media markets.

- Aetherial


All this stuff we posted previously. Nobody disagrees. There are going to be consequences. But, it is going to be back room consequences. Some of the western teams want blood. The Hawks have been circumventing the rules for awhile. I think the Leafs got caught in this by misfortune.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: degenerate gamblers like yourself usually end up getting the big payoff. just keep at it.
Joined: 06.30.2006

Sep 22 @ 10:09 AM ET
All this stuff we posted previously. Nobody disagrees. There are going to be consequences. But, it is going to be back room consequences. Some of the western teams want blood. The Hawks have been circumventing the rules for awhile. I think the Leafs got caught in this by misfortune.
- spatso


It wasn't misfortune. The Leafs have been "bending" the rules and skirting right along the edge now for a couple years.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Sep 22 @ 10:13 AM ET
I wonder, if the NHL doctor agrees with the Leafs' doctor, if this could just be grounds for the Leafs to release his contract.

I feel like openly calling management cheaters probably breaches some part of the contract, if it's shown to be false.

- Feeling Glucky?



That would turn into a nightmare. The last thing anyone wants is for the PA to get involved in this situation.

It will be solved behind closed doors and situations like Hossa and Lupul will need to go away. Don't know if existing situations with Hossa and Lupul are reversed. Reversal would create severe consequences for the Hawks and some consequences for the Leafs.

You will likely see that everyone keeps their mouth shut over the next week or so.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: degenerate gamblers like yourself usually end up getting the big payoff. just keep at it.
Joined: 06.30.2006

Sep 22 @ 10:16 AM ET
That would turn into a nightmare. The last thing anyone wants is for the PA to get involved in this situation.

It will be solved behind closed doors and situations like Hossa and Lupul will need to go away. Don't know if existing situations with Hossa and Lupul are reversed. Reversal would create severe consequences for the Hawks and some consequences for the Leafs.

You will likely see that everyone keeps their mouth shut over the next week or so.

- spatso


The Hossa situation is MUCH worse.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Sep 22 @ 10:18 AM ET
It wasn't misfortune. The Leafs have been "bending" the rules and skirting right along the edge now for a couple years.
- Aetherial


The misfortune is Lupul labelling the Leafs and other teams as cheaters.

You already see parts of the media becoming highly defensive over the matter in that they are reacting defensively. Somehow they will appear complicit if the hard news guys start treating this as scandal. You can see the defensive reaction by most of the panels on Sportsbet and TSN.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: everyday i see my dream
Joined: 03.14.2014

Sep 22 @ 10:18 AM ET
That's not what I heard on local sports talk radio yesterday, and this morning ........ just saying.
- D0PPELGANGER


Those guys are idiots who don't understand the cap that are trolling you.


Basically spatsos on the radio. Just sayin'
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: everyday i see my dream
Joined: 03.14.2014

Sep 22 @ 10:20 AM ET
I agree.

It is the image as cheaters that is more upsetting to the front office.

I believe that this is really more about the Hawks and the Leafs have just got caught in a bad moment.

Bettman will use this as leverage to stop some practices that the western clubs are furious about.

- spatso


Rather have my team run by guys willing to push the rules than a ballless idiot like dorionion.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Sep 22 @ 10:24 AM ET
The Hossa situation is MUCH worse.
- Aetherial



Much more so. In the Hossa case they appear to have created a disease (skin disease) as the basis of their moving him to LTIR. They would not be able to retire him because he was plus 35 when he signed his contract so he remains on the cap.

Lupul is an oft injured player who just stayed on LTIR. Nobody doubts he is fragile and often injured. The only question is if he is "fit" now. The fact he says he plans on resuming his career once his contract expires is problematic.

But the Hawks created a disability of acne.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Sep 22 @ 10:27 AM ET
Rather have my team run by guys willing to push the rules than a ballless idiot like dorionion.
- Tumbleweed


Sometimes you have interesting things to say. But, it is harder to find the good stuff that you write when you wrap it all in a heavy blanket of silly name calling.
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