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spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Sep 14 @ 3:16 PM ET
Speaking of hard realities Spazzo

How did the respective farm teams fare...

2016-2017:
Marlies lose 5 key players to the Leafs. Players who become the greatest rookie class the NHL has ever seen.

The AHL Standings...

Marlies 89 points in 76 Games .586
(2nd in North, 1 point out of first)

Binghampton 60 points in 76 Games .356
(last in north, for second year in a row)

Just in case you want to make excuses, the top 20 players in terms of games played between the 2 rosters were an average age less than 6 months apart.

So... Despite losing the greatest rookie crop ever, the Marlies >>>>>>> Sens farm teams.

Add in the fact that the Sens were (are?) the oldest team in the league and have 2 untradeable contracts...

and this franchise didn't win a cup last year or ever.

That is some tough reality

- Aetherial


Crazy questions. Makes the assumption that a teams organizational depth is measured by the success of their AHL team. No evidence of any correlation. Baby Sens won Calder Cup a few years ago. There was no great surge of talent that came out of it.

Erik Karlsson's went to the AHL for a cup of coffee. Jason Spezza spent too much time in AHL because Jacques Martin was unhappy with his defensive play.

I don't disagree with your comments on age. Boucher loves veteran players. I like the younger players and hope the Sens add two rookie forwards and two rookie Dmen to start the season.

On the contracts: never liked the Bobby Ryan contract. Said right from the beginning it was a mistake. He is a weak skater and poor skaters see their game fall off very quickly starting around age 28. At some point Sens are going to have to do something to move the Ryan contract.

I like Phaneuf. He was an absolute warrior coming down the stretch and in the playoffs. He was a huge contributor to the Sens getting to game 7 of the ECF. More important, Phaneuf is in great shape, he is still young (6 years younger than Marleau).

Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: everyday i see my dream
Joined: 03.14.2014

Sep 14 @ 3:19 PM ET
He is going to be very disappointed at the end of this year.. I figure.. JMO.
- bixll


He's in for quite the hangover after binging on the koolaid all summer
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: degenerate gamblers like yourself usually end up getting the big payoff. just keep at it.
Joined: 06.30.2006

Sep 14 @ 3:20 PM ET
Crazy questions. Makes the assumption that a teams organizational depth is measured by the success of their AHL team. No evidence of any correlation. Baby Sens won Calder Cup a few years ago. There was no great surge of talent that came out of it.

Erik Karlsson's went to the AHL for a cup of coffee. Jason Spezza spent too much time in AHL because Jacques Martin was unhappy with his defensive play.

I don't disagree with your comments on age. Boucher loves veteran players. I like the younger players and hope the Sens add two rookie forwards and two rookie Dmen to start the season.

On the contracts: never liked the Bobby Ryan contract. Said right from the beginning it was a mistake. He is a weak skater and poor skaters see their game fall off very quickly starting around age 28. At some point Sens are going to have to do something to move the Ryan contract.

I like Phaneuf. He was an absolute warrior coming down the stretch and in the playoffs. He was a huge contributor to the Sens getting to game 7 of the ECF. More important, Phaneuf is in great shape, he is still young (6 years younger than Marleau).

- spatso



See what happens when a poopty team gets lucky or gets a hot goalie? they were not great in the regular season.
(7 NHL careers on that team... not bad)


You may like Phaneuf, but the Sens couldn't give that contract away, literally... so not many GM's like him all that much.


Sorry.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: everyday i see my dream
Joined: 03.14.2014

Sep 14 @ 3:20 PM ET
Crazy questions. Makes the assumption that a teams organizational depth is measured by the success of their AHL team. No evidence of any correlation. Baby Sens won Calder Cup a few years ago. There was no great surge of talent that came out of it.

Erik Karlsson's went to the AHL for a cup of coffee. Jason Spezza spent too much time in AHL because Jacques Martin was unhappy with his defensive play.

I don't disagree with your comments on age. Boucher loves veteran players. I like the younger players and hope the Sens add two rookie forwards and two rookie Dmen to start the season.

On the contracts: never liked the Bobby Ryan contract. Said right from the beginning it was a mistake. He is a weak skater and poor skaters see their game fall off very quickly starting around age 28. At some point Sens are going to have to do something to move the Ryan contract.

I like Phaneuf. He was an absolute warrior coming down the stretch and in the playoffs. He was a huge contributor to the Sens getting to game 7 of the ECF. More important, Phaneuf is in great shape, he is still young (6 years younger than Marleau).

- spatso


Delete your account
bixll
Location: New Glasgow, NS
Joined: 09.04.2008

Sep 14 @ 3:20 PM ET
He's in for quite the hangover after binging on the koolaid all summer
- Tumbleweed



spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Sep 14 @ 3:31 PM ET
He's in for quite the hangover after binging on the koolaid all summer
- Tumbleweed


Love when you guys paraphrase my posts without appropriate attribution. I am pleased to know you take time to read and think about the stuff I post. You have really put yourself out there this summer.

I conceed the media has egged you on and encouraged you to dream in technicolor. But, a new season is right around the corner and we will get back to talking about the scoreboard soon enough.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: everyday i see my dream
Joined: 03.14.2014

Sep 14 @ 3:34 PM ET
Love when you guys paraphrase my posts without appropriate attribution. I am pleased to know you take time to read and think about the stuff I post. You have really put yourself out there this summer.

I conceed the media has egged you on and encouraged you to dream in technicolor. But, a new season is right around the corner and we will get back to talking about the scoreboard soon enough.

- spatso


Delete your account
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: everyday i see my dream
Joined: 03.14.2014

Sep 14 @ 3:39 PM ET

- bixll


Spato's summer

spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Sep 14 @ 3:47 PM ET
See what happens when a poopty team gets lucky or gets a hot goalie? they were not great in the regular season.
(7 NHL careers on that team... not bad)


You may like Phaneuf, but the Sens couldn't give that contract away, literally... so not many GM's like him all that much.


Sorry.

- Aetherial


First of all he has a no trade contract. He does not want to leave Ottawa and will not waive his right to stay.

Second, he waived his no trade contract to get out of Toronto.

Hard to understand the Leaf fan obsession with Phaneuf. He has been a great leader and warrior for the Sens. He has been better than anyone expected. He is a perfect match to play behind Karlsson. He is probably better than any Dman the Leafs have on their current roster.

Let me put it in very simple terms. I don't think the Leafs come close to making the playoffs. The third period problems of last year will start in the first period because they will not surprise anyone this year.

The young Leaf forwards will be fine. The problem will be entirely on the backend including goaltending. As Leafs get hurt in heir own end more fans will,wonder why they gave up Phaneuf to the Sens.

I think the obsession Leaf fans have with the Phaneuf contract has more to do with the problems they have with their own defense.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: degenerate gamblers like yourself usually end up getting the big payoff. just keep at it.
Joined: 06.30.2006

Sep 14 @ 3:50 PM ET
First of all he has a no trade contract. He does not want to leave Ottawa and will not waive his right to stay.

Second, he waived his no trade contract to get out of Toronto.

Hard to understand the Leaf fan obsession with Phaneuf. He has been a great leader and warrior for the Sens. He has been better than anyone expected. He is a perfect match to play behind Karlsson. He is probably better than any Dman the Leafs have on their current roster.

Let me put it in very simple terms. I don't think the Leafs come close to making the playoffs. The third period problems of last year will start in the first period because they will not surprise anyone this year.

The young Leaf forwards will be fine. The problem will be entirely on the backend including goaltending. As Leafs get hurt in heir own end more fans will,wonder why they gave up Phaneuf to the Sens.

I think the obsession Leaf fans have with the Phaneuf contract has more to do with the problems they have with their own defense.

- spatso


Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: everyday i see my dream
Joined: 03.14.2014

Sep 14 @ 3:53 PM ET
First of all he has a no trade contract. He does not want to leave Ottawa and will not waive his right to stay.

Second, he waived his no trade contract to get out of Toronto.

Hard to understand the Leaf fan obsession with Phaneuf. He has been a great leader and warrior for the Sens. He has been better than anyone expected. He is a perfect match to play behind Karlsson. He is probably better than any Dman the Leafs have on their current roster.

Let me put it in very simple terms. I don't think the Leafs come close to making the playoffs. The third period problems of last year will start in the first period because they will not surprise anyone this year.

The young Leaf forwards will be fine. The problem will be entirely on the backend including goaltending. As Leafs get hurt in heir own end more fans will,wonder why they gave up Phaneuf to the Sens.

I think the obsession Leaf fans have with the Phaneuf contract has more to do with the problems they have with their own defense.

- spatso


fake news.

and do yourself a favor; don't talk about contract terms you don't understand. it only serves to show how stupid you really are.
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: What year is this?, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Sep 14 @ 3:57 PM ET
First of all he has a no trade contract. He does not want to leave Ottawa and will not waive his right to stay.

Second, he waived his no trade contract to get out of Toronto.

Hard to understand the Leaf fan obsession with Phaneuf. He has been a great leader and warrior for the Sens. He has been better than anyone expected. He is a perfect match to play behind Karlsson. He is probably better than any Dman the Leafs have on their current roster.

Let me put it in very simple terms. I don't think the Leafs come close to making the playoffs. The third period problems of last year will start in the first period because they will not surprise anyone this year.

The young Leaf forwards will be fine. The problem will be entirely on the backend including goaltending. As Leafs get hurt in heir own end more fans will,wonder why they gave up Phaneuf to the Sens.

I think the obsession Leaf fans have with the Phaneuf contract has more to do with the problems they have with their own defense.

- spatso

Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: everyday i see my dream
Joined: 03.14.2014

Sep 14 @ 3:58 PM ET

- daeth

spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Sep 14 @ 4:04 PM ET
fake news.

and do yourself a favor; don't talk about contract terms you don't understand. it only serves to show how stupid you really are.

- Tumbleweed


Did he not waive to get out of Toronto to come to Ottawa?

Do I misunderstand?

Please show me the flaw in my thinking.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: everyday i see my dream
Joined: 03.14.2014

Sep 14 @ 4:06 PM ET
Did he not waive to get out of Toronto to come to Ottawa?

Do I misunderstand?

Please show me the flaw in my thinking.

- spatso


no to your first question. yes to your second.

can't help you with the last one. can't fix stupid.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Sep 14 @ 4:17 PM ET
The Hurricanes made it to the Cup Final in 02 and thought they would be good with the same roster the next season too...

2002-2003? Dead. (frank)ing. Last.

- BINGO!


see also Blue Jays, Toronto
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Sep 14 @ 4:18 PM ET
First of all he has a no trade contract. He does not want to leave Ottawa and will not waive his right to stay.

Second, he waived his no trade contract to get out of Toronto.

Hard to understand the Leaf fan obsession with Phaneuf. He has been a great leader and warrior for the Sens. He has been better than anyone expected. He is a perfect match to play behind Karlsson. He is probably better than any Dman the Leafs have on their current roster.

Let me put it in very simple terms. I don't think the Leafs come close to making the playoffs. The third period problems of last year will start in the first period because they will not surprise anyone this year.

The young Leaf forwards will be fine. The problem will be entirely on the backend including goaltending. As Leafs get hurt in heir own end more fans will,wonder why they gave up Phaneuf to the Sens.

I think the obsession Leaf fans have with the Phaneuf contract has more to do with the problems they have with their own defense.

- spatso



saved
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Sep 14 @ 4:19 PM ET
no to your first question. yes to your second.

can't help you with the last one. can't fix stupid.

- Tumbleweed


Oh! I thought it was similar to Josh Gorges when he refused to go to the Leafs after being dealt by the Canadiens.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Sep 14 @ 4:20 PM ET
Did he not waive to get out of Toronto to come to Ottawa?

Do I misunderstand?

Please show me the flaw in my thinking.

- spatso



i agree with your last point. hes a (frank)ing idiot
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Sep 14 @ 4:21 PM ET

- daeth

Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: everyday i see my dream
Joined: 03.14.2014

Sep 14 @ 4:22 PM ET
Oh! I thought it was similar to Josh Gorges when he refused to go to the Leafs after being dealt by the Canadiens.
- spatso


that's cause you're retarded
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Sep 14 @ 4:26 PM ET
Seriously, I have never been able to figure out the Leaf obsession with Phaneuf. He has great fitness, he is really popular with the fans and his team mates. He is 6 years younger than Marleau.

Why do Leaf fans obsess on Phaneuf?

Ottawa does not make it to the ECF without Phaneuf. Phaneuf is a win/win for the Sens. Why does this upset Leaf fans so much?
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Sep 14 @ 4:27 PM ET
that's cause you're retarded
- Tumbleweed



hes just mad Phaneuf said yes to Nottawa
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Sep 14 @ 4:28 PM ET
Seriously, I have never been able to figure out the Leaf obsession with Phaneuf. He has great fitness, he is really popular with the fans and his team mates. He is 6 years younger than Marleau.

Why do Leaf fans obsess on Phaneuf?

Ottawa does not make it to the ECF without Phaneuf. Phaneuf is a win/win for the Sens. Why does this upset Leaf fans so much?

- spatso



what does phaneuf have to do with Marleau? the leafs have at least a dozen players younger than phaneuf. idiot. wherr does bobby ryan fit in all this?
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: everyday i see my dream
Joined: 03.14.2014

Sep 14 @ 4:30 PM ET
what does phaneuf have to do with marleau? the leafs have at least a dozen players younger than phaneuf. what is your point, you fool..
- systemtool


i'm sure he doesn't have one.

he seems to be the only one bringing up phanuef. maybe it's the voices in his head.
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